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Who would win?

Admiral Bosch and the Neo-Terran Front
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Admiral Thrawn and the Galactic Empire
31 (50%)

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Voting closed: March 08, 2003, 01:20:24 am

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Offline DragonClaw

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.....


*smacks head on table repeatedly*

:shaking:


GAHHHHHH!!!!!!

Sandwich, I think your ":wtf:" smilies screwed my brain over yesterday  :blah:

 

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*smacks head on table repeatedly*

:shaking:


GAHHHHHH!!!!!!

Sandwich, I think your ":wtf:" smilies screwed my brain over yesterday  :blah:


Eh? :wtf: are you talking about??:devil: :drevil:
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bosch would win, because every time thrawn would try to kill him, bosch would just wake up.
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Bosch is like Captain Picard. No matter the cost, or how he looks first contact and communicating with the enemy or unknown takes priority even over the lives of a great many.

For this reason alone i think he wld win, even if it meant driving the Iceni through the hull of an oppsoing enemy and ordering all if any of his ships to do the same.

 

Offline Warlock

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Ummm not the best reference there buddy,...Picard,..and all ST Captains forthat matter,...tend to shy against killing off there entire crew just to say "Hi" to some unknown species.
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That and it would still be no match for Thrawn's fleet. :D

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Don't even get me started on the utter crap of "turbolaser power." Gigatons my ass.

I absolutely hate so called Star Wars "physics" (especially EU books and stuff who obviously have no idea what the **** they're talking about, and pull values straight out of their asses and stick them in, such as weapon power) which make NO SENSE and are utter bull****. This applies to most sci-fi but Star Wars is one of the worst offenders.

Sorry, I just get so pissed off whenever I get reminded of the utter laughability of Star Wars "physics." :mad2: :mad:


Taken from cannon sources in ESB it has been deduced that turbolasers have powers in the gigaton range.  I can link you to stardestroyer.net or the technical commentairies by Dr. Saxton.

If you bother TO READ THE DAMNED WEBSITES you will see the obvious evidence to what I previously stated.  

And if you're a cannon purist then you can continue to live in your litte world.  The EU is official and is part of Star Wars.  BTW, Dr. Saxton made extensive calculations in the Technical Commentaries and then applied them in the EPII ICS, which he wrote.  So its not "pulled out of his ass" as you might say.  Its fact.

Here's the link to stardestroyer.net  I recommend you read the turbolaser commentaries section and the technology section under "I want you for the Galactic Empire!"

http://www.stardestroyer.net/toc.html

And here's the link to Dr. Saxton's site

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/
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Not really, no. They were good, but not quite as incredible as the trilogy. :) Main negative point? No Thrawn. :D


 

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Dude, chill. No need for the mad smilies or swearing. He was ranting, and now so are you. Take it easy.

And besides, 'canon' means A) the movies B) the books and C) the radio dramatizations. That's the definition of 'canon' as applied to Star Wars. We are all aware of the SWTC page, but it must be taken with a grain of salt.

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Originally posted by GrandAdmiralAbaht


Taken from cannon sources in ESB it has been deduced that turbolasers have powers in the gigaton range.  I can link you to stardestroyer.net or the technical commentairies by Dr. Saxton.

If you bother TO READ THE DAMNED WEBSITES you will see the obvious evidence to what I previously stated.  

And if you're a cannon purist then you can continue to live in your litte world.  The EU is official and is part of Star Wars.  BTW, Dr. Saxton made extensive calculations in the Technical Commentaries and then applied them in the EPII ICS, which he wrote.  So its not "pulled out of his ass" as you might say.  Its fact.


Wow, you must be reading something other than me. Apparently the ESB reference you're refering to is the "asteroid vaporization" example right? Well, Dr. Saxton puts down calculations which seem seem to be within the kiloton range unless my arithmetic is wrong.

The section that refers to the "gigaton" range apparently is under the section labeled "Novel Evidence" and refers to novels who put down stuff like "turning a planet to molten slag" which I seem not to recall from the movies. Somehow I doubt that the novelists did extensive calculations to come up with that.

So, let's see, the famous "durasteel" that seems to protect Star Destroyers so easily against hundred-gigaton blasts against it. Yet Qui-gon seems to be able to stick his lightsaber in it and melt through durasteel blast doors in an instant. So I assume that means he's injecting hundreds of teratons worth of energy per second right? He must be using the patented Exponentially Greater Than 100% Mass to Energy Efficiency Reactor(tm) in his lightsaber, which, must I remind you from your precious EU, is made up of parts you can by out of a local hardware shack and a crystal made in an Easy-Bake-Oven.

Oh and the famous all-powerful lasers when used against Yuuzhan Vong ships (also from EU) seem to only make little molten pecks in the flying turds. And the big hunks of plasma rock that the Vong chuck back (which can only possibly contain a few hundred terajoules, some hundred kilotons worth of thermal energy) seem to eat through shields (which are supposed to absorb hundreds of teratons) and the vaunted armor plating with ease.

And since when has EU been canon? I seem to remember about a dozen or so novels' stories being shot down at the slightest whim of George Lucas when the last two movies came out.

And finally let me show you some things:



See those? Now, the top picture is Baker, a puny and primative 20 kiloton nuke, but was enough to raise a column of water 2000ft in diameter and 6000ft (1.13 miles) high containing over 250 million gallons of water.

The Cannikin test (5MT), which I can't get a decent image of, was detonated a mile underground and caused a shockwave that registered 6.8 on the Richter Scale.

Now the second image, that's slightly more than 10 megatons, which was more than enough to vaporize the entire island, leaving a hole 1.2 miles in diameter as well as deep fry all marine life within dozens of miles, and create a core temperature that can reach well over 100 million C, 6-7 times hotter than the CORE of the Sun, which will turn any material in the universe into disociated atoms, no matter what kind of BS "durasteel" you can make up.

A 20MT nuke can release so much energy that mere exposure to the LIGHT (which is a by-product of the fireball heating air molecules hundreds of millions of degrees and releasing some of  the subsequent energy of it as visible light) for a fraction of a second will cause a 3rd degree burn 40km from the fireball itself.

Now, 200 gigatons is 10,000 times more than that... No wait, you said that turbolasers are far more powerful than 200 gigatons, so lets say 800 gigatons. 40,000 of those.

In other words...

New Republic battling the Empire for control of Coruscant: "Oops, we shot off ONE stray turbolaser. We just utterly annihilated an area the size of Alaska (yes, I know they wouldn't know what Alaska is), and caused a very severe nuclear winter scenario that will render the planet uninhabitable for thousands of years. Sorry!"
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Ummm
Its a movie guys.

It's called science ficton

it is not real

relax.
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Offline Cannikin

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If you guys want, I can pick apart Freespace physics too.

It's not as if I condone FS 500MT nukes barely scratching destroyers as well. :p

 

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Originally posted by Cannikin


In other words...

New Republic battling the Empire for control of Coruscant: "Oops, we shot off ONE stray turbolaser. We just utterly annihilated an area the size of Alaska (yes, I know they wouldn't know what Alaska is), and caused a very severe nuclear winter scenario that will render the planet uninhabitable for thousands of years. Sorry!"


Thats why Courssucant and almost every other planet has something called planetary shielding , it prevents such a disaster.  And starships with massive 200 GT weapons have something called sensors and targeting systems.  They prevent any stray shots from ever hitting planet in the first place.

And who ever said the insides of the Trader Federation freighter were made of Durasteel?  Only the outer hull is made of it.

And we clearly see an example of SW capship acceleration when the Imperial Fleet comes out of hiding from behind the far side of Endor and cuts off the rebel fleet.  This flet, made entirely of Star Destroyers, came so fast that rebel ships only detected them once they had already been cut off.  And don't say that the fleet hyperspaced there cause the DS had gravity wells online and the mass shadow of Endor would prevent the fleet from jumping from once side of the moon to the other and the Emperor clearly states that the fleet went to the far side of the Endor.  It takes a hell of alot of acceleration to wrap around a huge moon in less than ten seconds!:ha:
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Ummm
Its a movie guys.

It's called science ficton

it is not real

relax.


Besides dude you just ruined your whole arguement ... planetary shields = plus ,...Planet based Turbolasers = ruined the arguement.

But agian ....jsut to make sure

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Ummm
Its a movie guys.

It's called science ficton

it is not real

relax.



:D
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hehe, nukes are awesome.


i'm sorry, what were we talking about again?
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And this is why I said the Technical Commentaries ruin Star Wars. I'm pretty sure I said it'd ruin it..

ooopp yep

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Yeah that whole section of theforce.net is about people with too much time.  

It kinda ruins star wars in how they try to rationalize it so much :doubt:


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To those argueing the affects of a 200GT turbolaser blast:

The force of the weapon does not act like a bomb, it channels it's energy into one point. So the example of hitting Curscant with a stray shot and wiping out part of the city the size of Alaska is wrong :)
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Offline Fetty

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nah it just would bury into the earths core causing lava to vent and then whipe out alaska :D