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Offline jdjtcagle

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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
What do you think about Modern Defense and Offense?
My Dad says that we rely on technology WAY too much, In America soldiers have it easier now in bootcamp than 40 years ago.  He doesn't like the ideas of Modern tanks, he says there not that reliable.  He thinks that soldiers would not be able to survive if something was to go wrong. I don't know what he's arguing for?  He acts like he WANTS it to go back to WWII style combat.

I say that the death tolls have gone down A WHOLE LOT, also.
I think my dad is just scared of change, I don't know.  I say that with modern weapons there not relying on technology that much and will be strong enough soldiers because now modern weapons do alot more damage.  But, my father says that they could easily be stoped and the soldiers would be doomed.

Does my Father have any point at all? What do you think about it??
Should the army be focused more on soldiers abilitys or machines?
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Offline WMCoolmon

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Relying on anything too much is a bad idea. But usually it's not the modernity of the equipment that matters as much as the reliability of weapons.
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Offline IceFire

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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
Well your father has a point.  Its worrysome if soliders are being trained exclusively on high technology when they may need to use low tech methods to fight or survive.  There are things, some that are hundreds or thousands of years old, that are just as important to learn in terms of survival training as is modern technology.

As for the usage of actual weapons of war.  The new HK M4 Carbine is a bazillion times more reliable than the old M1 Rifle or the BAR.  The M1 Abrams is a power hungry hog but there are a couple of other tanks in the world that are much more efficient and far more reliable than any of the WWII tanks.  

In terms of jet aircraft, the reliability has gone way up and the numbers have come down.  Fly by wire seems to work just fine and there aren't too many disadvantages of computer controlled designs...the F-16 is in use by a multitude of countries and is plenty unstable and yet there haven't been any serious drawbacks.

The next generation of warship will probably once again be much more successful and reliable than previous designs and its not all computers and electronics there either.  Its just good design.

Now what worries me is if someone detonates a EMP style weapon and wipes out alot of electronics, communications, and messes up the GPS systems.  You better hope that your jets weren't affected because they don't fly without a computer system (i.e. a F/A-22 with EMP damage is going to be next to useless).

I'm all for the use of technology...but we need to have the ability to integrate the throwbacks just incase something goes seriously wrong.  Lessons in sci-fi series sometimes teach us these things.  The new Battlestar Galactica mini-series highlights how theoretically vulnerable a computer network may be.
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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
The army should focus on the weakest link... in the USA that role is taken by the soldier, so your dad has a point.
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Offline jdjtcagle

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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
EMP never even cross my mind...
I would like to hear more comments :)
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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
Well if someone could design a EMP beam that would be really really bad wouldn't it?
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Offline Nico

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Re: Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
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Originally posted by jdjtcagle
What do you think about Modern Defense and Offense?
My Dad says that we rely on technology WAY too much, In America soldiers have it easier now in bootcamp than 40 years ago.  He doesn't like the ideas of Modern tanks, he says there not that reliable.  He thinks that soldiers would not be able to survive if something was to go wrong. I don't know what he's arguing for?  He acts like he WANTS it to go back to WWII style combat.

I say that the death tolls have gone down A WHOLE LOT, also.
I think my dad is just scared of change, I don't know.  I say that with modern weapons there not relying on technology that much and will be strong enough soldiers because now modern weapons do alot more damage.  But, my father says that they could easily be stoped and the soldiers would be doomed.

Does my Father have any point at all? What do you think about it??
Should the army be focused more on soldiers abilitys or machines?


Your father is right. Armies should use stones and clubs. No, wait, stones can be dull and clubs can break.
Nails should be good enough.

I don't know about the US army, but when I listen to Jean ( my best buddy, who's a soldier ), seems they learn funny tricks like in the old movies, so I suppose they don't rely only on their trusty FAMAS, for exemple :). The spirit here seems to be that modern stuff is to improve on soldiers ability, so both should be good to take.
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Offline Stealth

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Re: Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
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He acts like he WANTS it to go back to WWII style combat.

I say that the death tolls have gone down A WHOLE LOT, also.


Remember that America hasn't been involved in any war as big as WWII, since WWII.  I guarantee you that if there was a WWIII, you'd see the numbers shoot right up again.

 

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Remember that America hasn't been involved in any war as big as WWII, since WWII.  I guarantee you that if there was a WWIII, you'd see the numbers shoot right up again.


Due to the nature of modern warfare I don't think a WWIII would actually be anything like previous world wars.
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Due to the nature of modern warfare I don't think a WWIII would actually be anything like previous world wars.



They wil just nuke each other to death and the rest of the world with the fallout.
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Offline Stealth

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Due to the nature of modern warfare I don't think a WWIII would actually be anything like previous world wars.


in terms of the death toll?  yeah you're right... the numbers would be a hell of a lot higher than any previous wars... but that's the point i'm trying to make.

 

Offline aldo_14

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

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Wasn't that in someones sig here for a while?
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Offline Falcon

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

(Albert Einstein)


yeah but Ill be using boulders......

 

Offline neo_hermes

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Ok, I'm arguing with my dad on something
If world war III ever occurs i suggest that we use weaponry from the middle ages with modern improvements.....at least then we will survive for another decade at least...
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Offline Falcon

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oh you mean swords turn into light sabers? Ahh thats how Star Wars was born.....

 

Offline neo_hermes

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....i doubt Light sabers will ever be real anytime soon, falcon. check back in 3000-10000yrs.
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Offline Solatar

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We could go back to shooting grapeshot at each other.

Though the modern soldier would shoot...then duck while he reloaded.

 

Offline Falcon

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Then Ill preserve my body aka cryo-genic freezing... do i feel a draft in here?

 

Offline neo_hermes

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We could go back to shooting grapeshot at each other.

Though the modern soldier would shoot...then duck while he reloaded.


I'd rather have that than have a thousand bullets rip me apart as soon as i peek around a corner...
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