[Kamikaze]

CNN has an Xbox 360 review on their site that claims the launch titles are weak: http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/17/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Here's a very negative review from the New York Post: http://news.yahoo.com/s/pagesix/20051117/en_pagesix/don39tbuythexbox360

This Slashdot comment is interesting, it's about graphics differences in SDTV/HDTV: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168617&cid=14056662

Anyone else seen any interesting reviews of the 360?

[Deepblue]

CoD 2 has been averaging a 92 on gamerankings. Gamespot gave it an 8.8, same as the PC version with higher graphics score and lower value score.

Good:
Smooth (constant 60 fps), detailed graphics and great sound; aggressive enemy artificial intelligence; makes you really feel like a small part of a bigger war; varied campaign.

Bad:
Online multiplayer restricted to eight players (not totally true according to IW, that's just what's on the box but it can go higher) ; higher pricepoint than its pc counterpart

Kameo got a 8.7 from Gamespot, 9s across the board except for value. Apparently it's a little easy to burn right through the game.

Good:
Inventive, fun gameplay involves transforming into various cool, kooky creatures; plenty of variety will keep you guessing and entertained; drop-dead gorgeous visuals showcase the power of the xbox 360; beautifully composed orchestral score, as well as tons of amusing sound effects.

Bad:
Disjointed introduction may be frustrating; fairly short game at fewer than 10 hours in length (not everyone plays like you Greg...); two-player cooperative mode isn't very compelling.

GUN got a 6.4 on Gamespot, no surprise seeing as it really doesn't look any better than the current-gen versions, and the game was pretty bad to begin with.

Good:
Terrific voice acting; fun horseback riding; some intense, gory shooting action.

Bad:
Short storyline isn't made up for by shallow side missions; some noticeably undercooked elements of play; some of the violence and profanity feels too gratuitous; visuals don't take advantage of the xbox 360, looking bland and blurry; higher retail price than other versions for no good reason.

THAW got a 6.6, again it didn't get much of an upgrade at all, and the HD resolution only served to highlight all the flaws.

(is it just me, or is Neversoft turning into EA?)

NFS:MW got an 8.4 on all versions, not just the 360.

Good:
Compelling story mode; interesting bmx trick system; game contains a healthy dose of crunk juice; 360 controller's four shoulder buttons are perfect for playing this style of game.

Bad:
Character models and textures look pretty bad in HD resolutions; classic mode contains old levels that aren't exactly classic; graphical glitches further mar the game's visuals; story mode holds your hand every step of the way; costs $10 more than other versions for no good reason.

PGR3 hasn't got a review on Gamespot yet, but 1up gave it a perfect 10 while IGN gave it an 8.8... Interesting.

And there are a lot more to review, like PD0, King Kong (which looks fantastic for a port), and Condemned

[IceFire]

The New York Post article has quite a bit of sense to it.  I think they are saying that, although there is nothing wrong with the console inherently...being an early adopter has its qualms.

I bought the GameCube pretty early on (Christmas present!) and while my brother and I enjoyed our time with it (and still do), it wasn't everything we had hoped it would be.  The X-Box I bought last christmas (a special Crystal X-Box!) is fantastic and I enjoy my time with it (I probably need to try Fable out at some point but I haven't exhausted Halo 2 or Forza yet).  I don't own of console games for any of my consoles as my PC is still the primary games machine...but I do enjoy the odd console game and they are great for parties.

My feeling on the next generation of consoles is that I will see what comes and buy one in 3 years or so when the prices have dropped completely like they did for the X-Box.  I got my X-Box and what amounted to 4 games for about $300 Canadian...less than I would have spent being an early adopter.

[Deepblue]

Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

[Kamikaze]

I think the 360's so-so backwards compatibility might hurt it quite a bit. So far it sounds like both the PS3 and Revolution will have superior backwards compatibility with huge libraries of past games. The PS3 will have the past two generations of games and Nintendo claims they'll have all of their past games available (though it's still unclear exactly how or at what price...). It seems the 360 supports less than half of the original Xbox games and it requires an HD (which screws over the core purchasers) for the support.

[Night Hammer]

Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

Halo was good, but what did the original XBox sell at like 300, i dont think the game was worth that alone. PGR3 looks amazing  but driving sims arent enough to anchor a launch.

PD0 stuff that ive seen looks like ****. Stuff  that could be run on the current XBox

That said ill still prolly get a 360 whenever the price starts to drop

[Deepblue]

Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

PD0 stuff that ive seen looks like ****. Stuff that could be run on the current XBox

Hell no, forget the "official screens." They look like dog poo compared to the vids and unofficial screens.

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_2009_en.html (co-op first level, [preview build, not complete])

BTW, I got my Xbox for $180 w/ extra controller and Halo. Pawn shops rule!

[vyper]

Looks how Source does on on a worthy machine. Mostly.

[Deepblue]

The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

[delta_7890]

Deepblue, what a surprise!

[Night Hammer]

The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

Honestly that doesnt looks that much different/or better than Far Cry(which I love)

[Deepblue]

The following are images from a beta build on a standard TV:

Honestly that doesnt looks that much different/or better than Far Cry(which I love)

It doesn't look that much different, but it does look better. What you can't see in screens are the fantastic lighting effects (imagine DOOM3 shadows without all the inky black) they have in the game, as well as the amazing texture work. I'll leave it at that, but the point is that the game as it currently stands is most definitely not possible on the original Xbox.

[Deepblue]

Deepblue, what a surprise!

It shouldn't be if you read the thread title.

[Deepblue]

PDZ impressions from 1up...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794

Could someone quote it here? For some reason 1up pages always fail to load.

[IceFire]

Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

I have Halo 2...is it worth it to try and grab a copy of Halo around somewhere?  I just might find it used or something like that...

PD Zero, if its anything close to the original, will be a very good and very nicely fine tuned first person shooter with style and class all on its own.  None of Rare's FPS games were ever ground breaking...but they made up for it in style, refinement, and playability (they are in a class that approaches Blizzard in my book).  Hopefully their latest offering is just as good.

Are they still known as Rare?

[Deepblue]

Buying the original Xbox was totally worth it for Halo alone. The question is, does the Xbox 360 have that killer-ap in PD0 or PGR3?

I have Halo 2...is it worth it to try and grab a copy of Halo around somewhere? I just might find it used or something like that...

PD Zero, if its anything close to the original, will be a very good and very nicely fine tuned first person shooter with style and class all on its own. None of Rare's FPS games were ever ground breaking...but they made up for it in style, refinement, and playability (they are in a class that approaches Blizzard in my book). Hopefully their latest offering is just as good.

Are they still known as Rare?

You can get Halo fairly cheap these days. And yes, it is totally worth it. The game is dated, but I still play it to this day. I personally think it has a better SP than Halo 2, even with some repetitive and monotonous levels. It's especially a blast on co-op though.

Yeah, they're still Rare.

[Deepblue]

PDZ impressions from 1up...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3145794

Could someone quote it here? For some reason 1up pages always fail to load.

*bump*

[WeatherOp]

More than likely this is more of a lag. Kind of like the PS2 went thru when it first came out. The only real downside to launching first.

[Jetmech Jr.]

90% of the Reason the PS3 Will be better than the Xbox 360, IMO:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=41710348603061453&q=FF7

[WeatherOp]

90% of the Reason the PS3 Will be better than the Xbox 360, IMO:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=41710348603061453&q=FF7

Wow, Splinter cell 3 looks that good.