[StratComm]

A lot of people mistakenly think that Zeta is the last letter of the Greek alphabet.  It's sixth, so it's close enough.  Epsilon would have been the "correct" next, but we already missed that boat with the alpha/beta/delta progression.

[CaptJosh]

I never made that mistake, but I have a bit of Biblical background that made it so I would not.

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Makes it fairly obvious to me at least.

[Wanderer]

I noticed that there is (still) +nocreate missing from mv_textures-shp.tbm file

[Don-DiZzLe]

Are all the files that are for download from lightspeeds site already included in these MediaVPs?

[hamaxp]

when i start freespace 2 this error comes




Error: mv_music-mus.tbm(10):
Error: Required token = [#SoundTrack End] or [$Name:], found [+nocreate] .

File:parse/parselo.cpp
Line: 551
[This filename points to the location of a file on the computer that built this executable]

Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

[Goober5000]

You need a more recent version of FSO.

[hamaxp]

???

[Mars]

First off I would start by reading Karajorma's Freespace FAQ Then I would go to the Source Code Project forum, then to the Recent Builds subforum, and get everything you need to run the 3.6.9 RC2.

You haven't been properly beamed so:



Welcome to HLP. Please keep all appendeges within the installation at all times. Flamethrowers are located underneath all seats, however, due to the rising cost of oil, the ID / evelotion debate (don't debate me on Whether or not there is a debate), , the crew size of various warships (for which I swear I feel like flaming a very specific stubborn somone), and the meaning of life, the napalm has been replaced with Holy Water. Plasma rifles are located in the weapons locker, but only Admins, , or a hyperintellegent shade of blue have ascess to these areas. If you meet a Shivan in the ductwork it is most likely Carl, give him your lunch and back away slowly, odds are good you'll be fine.

Also, watch out, Holy Water can burn, and the flamethrowers are usually out in the main HLP forum

[Tyrian]

More recent?  I'm using the one at the start of the forum...  What happened to change it?

And nice welcome speech.   

[Mars]

Not the media VPs, I think he has those, he needs to know where a current version of FS2O is (a.k.a a recent build)

[Tyrian]

Yeah, I'm talking about the build too.  I was referring to the Kara's May 17th CVS build that was linked to at the start of the thread, under the recent build link.  What would be more current than that?  Curse my posting-when-tired habits...   

[Mars]

The Y targeting fix build by Taylor is probably the most recent, but RC 3 should be out soon.

You don't know about the 3.6.9 Release Canadates yet?

[Tyrian]

No...I spend most of my time lurking in the Art and General Forums...

*Crawls back to the General forum through his secret tunnel*

[Turambar]

nobody's responded....

so nobody wants all the fixed evmaps i did?

[taylor]

so nobody wants all the fixed evmaps i did?

Either send them to DaBrain or to me and one of us will make sure the MediaVPs get updated.

[m2258734a]

I believe I mentioned this both in the Gamma media thread and Delta VP release thread, but no one replied. I was wondering if anyone else is seeing the HTL Aten with a lower quality underside than normal. By running a comparison with the Aten in FSPort, the FSPort VPs happen to have the higher quality underside of the ship, but unless the 3.6.8 media vps are missing this texture, I do not no why there is a difference between the two Atens. This lower quality texture not only looks like retail, but it has no shine map. Is anyone else seeing this or is it just me?



EDIT: Using 3.6.8 MediaVP ζ and build RC3:      C:\Games\FreeSpace2\fs2_open_r.exe -mod mediavps -spec -glow -env -jpgtga -mipmap -2d_poof -missile_lighting -cache_bitmaps -dualscanlines -orbradar -rearm_timer -warp_flash -alpha_env

[Mars]

Confirmed

[ARSPR]

Well I've been looking in vps and I think the problem with Aten is a missing Cruiser02-01b. Let me explain, but any 'expert' modder should check it too:

1. ATEN is always Cruiser02.pof model.

2. This model isn't included within Port vps so you always use the one inside mv_models.vp

3. Opening this Cruiser02.pof with PCS or modelview, they show that four textures are used inside this ship:

+cruiser02-01a
+cruiser02tile01
+cruiser02tile04
+cruiser02-01b

The latest one is a mapped one (I mean it seams to cover a lot of places on the ship) but only a small part is used. And this part is the lower low-quality zone.

4. Within mv_models.vp, cruiser02-01b is missing. So with no mod, this texture is read from retail sparky_fs2.vp which of course has no shine map and has very low quality.

Within mv_models.vp, the rest of textures are in DDS, (but some glowmaps in PCX), with normalized 2^n sizes.

5. FSPort 3.0.3. has't got any of this textures. But they are located in older fsport_shine.vp and fsport_hi-res.vp. The older fsport_glow.vp hasn't got these textures so mv_models.vp ones are used.

6. fsport_shine.vp has shinemaps for the four textures but in PCX. Cruiser02-01a and cruiser02-02b haven't got 2^n sizes.

7. fsport_hi-res.vp has only got cruiser02-01a and cruiser02-02b textures. So in Port you also use mv_model.vp's cruiser02tile01 and cruiser02tile04. These textures aren't also 2^n sized and cruiser02-01a even has different proportions (649x1381) than mv_models one (1024x2048).

So my conclusions:
+ mv_models lacks cruiser02-01b. You use retail one then and, of course, it hasn't got shinemaps.
+ If you use fsport_*.vp additions with FSPort, you will use a different set for these textures, they can look quite similar but they aren't exactly the same. They are PCX and some of them haven't got 2^n sizes. But OTOH  you have a cruiser02-01b with higher quality than retail.


Possible solutions:
+ Take out cruiser02-01b texture and shine map from fsport_*.vp and make a fast patch.
+ Or please, can someone retexture ATEN to use just cruiser02-01a.dds and a fixed cruiser02-02b.dds (with its shinemap and glowmap)? The other textures seem redundant as you can cover all the ship with the first ones (they are quite unused right now, specially cruiser02-01b).

[Descenter]

Ok....so I'm either doing this wrong or something else is going on, but.....



And it's not only this but a few others as well.

Using the zpack, with adveffects.vp, cleared cache and spec -glow -env -jpgtga -mipmap -missile_lighting -cache_bitmaps -dualscanlines -targetinfo -orbradar -rearm_timer -ship_choice_3d -3dwarp -warp_flash -alpha_env -fps -stats -show_mem_usage turned on

[Tyrian]

Maybe try turning on cell shading...?  But don't take my word for it...I'm not a .vp expert.

I've always wanted to ask this:  Why is the retail FS2 .vp file called "sparky_fs2.vp"?  Why is it "Sparky"?