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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 08:41:38 pm » |
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We should probably start referring to it as "trunk" now, to distinguish it from "HEAD". New source control, so new terminology. Also, we want to prevent people from getting confused and saying, "Wait, didn't you say to never ever ever check out HEAD?"
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2008, 02:04:48 am » |
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True but the program refers to it as HEAD so at least here that's what I have to call it.  Besides, what used to be called HEAD is currently also in the trunk folder so that's likely to cause some confusion too. |
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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 05:28:09 am » |
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GREAT  I've updated Wiki but please: - Fix the stupid things that I've probably written.
 - Someone has to add the images. I can't do it.
- Someone has to update the Unix help.
- When you have finished setting up the repository, I think you should explain how to get:
- The original FS2 and FRED2 code.
- The different available unstable and stable branches (with whichever new names they have)
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IF YOU HAVE TROUBLES WITH FS2:- Please, please, please, READ and UNDERSTAND the sticky threads in FreeSpace & FreeSpace Open Support board.
A lot of people are willing to help you, but, as anyone can understand, seeing the very same "issues" repeated again and again can become quite depressing. Please, spend a bit of time trying to solve the issue by yourself.
(Lobo deserves a monument). - Then, if you aren't still able to solve your issue, feel free to ask for help in that same board.
FYI, most of the troubles are caused by wrong mod installations which lead to either missing data or undesired cross-effects between them. Always follow the mod installation instructions and keep a clean FS2 installation as explained in the sticky threads. Two additional links about how the game handles game data:
- If you think that you've discovered a bug, mantis it.
Provide as much info as you can, and try to narrow it down. A lonely "FS2 doesn't work" is not a good report.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 11:05:53 am » |
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True but the program refers to it as HEAD so at least here that's what I have to call it. Besides, what used to be called HEAD is currently also in the trunk folder so that's likely to cause some confusion too. Actually, HEAD is the very most recent revision, regardless of branch. I think I confused some terms when I set up the original 3.6.9 arrangement.  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 11:36:54 pm » |
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What differences are there between svc and ftp, and what are the advantages of using one over the other?
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 01:18:09 pm » |
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If I've been working on a piece of code and another programmer also has SVN will merge both pieces of code together and (generally) allow me to update my code with everyone else's fairly painlessly.
Now imagine trying to do that from an FTP? First I'd have to figure out which pieces of code are new, then I'd have to manually compare them against my own files if I'd altered the same one, then I'd have to merge in any changes by hand.
That's not the only difference but that one alone makes it worth it. FTP is great if you have files that only one person changes. Otherwise you need some kind of versioning to make sure new stuff isn't overwritten by old stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 01:43:45 pm » |
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If I've been working on a piece of code and another programmer also has SVN will merge both pieces of code together and (generally) allow me to update my code with everyone else's fairly painlessly.
Now imagine trying to do that from an FTP? First I'd have to figure out which pieces of code are new, then I'd have to manually compare them against my own files if I'd altered the same one, then I'd have to merge in any changes by hand.
That's not the only difference but that one alone makes it worth it. FTP is great if you have files that only one person changes. Otherwise you need some kind of versioning to make sure new stuff isn't overwritten by old stuff.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2008, 12:49:42 pm » |
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Now how do I use the code I now have. Do I need a compiler or something?
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2008, 12:57:05 pm » |
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Yes and no. You need a compiler to make you own builds, but to simply fiddle with the code, all you really need is a text editor and some understanding of c/c++. Using an IDE or a programming-oriented editor (like emacs), when messing with the code makes things much easier though, so getting something like Visual Studio Express set up on your system will be worth the effort if you intend to get serious about it.
And once you've made some changes and want to post a patch, winmerge is a good choice for making it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2008, 01:02:58 pm » |
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No, I just want to make an .EXE or whatever. And on a side note, is C to advanced a code to start out with?
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2008, 01:17:02 pm » |
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To make an exe then, yes, you do need a compiler. The one included with visual studio express will do it, though you won't be able to compile FRED with it, as will gcc if you're running linux.
C is sort of an intermediary language, making it a bit more complex than a true high level language, but I wouldn't call it too advanced. I know several people whose first true programming language was C. If you know any Java, that might even make it easier to get started, as the syntax is similar in many ways. Perhaps the big thing about C is that it lets you make mistakes - You are given power to do stuff, but with that, you are also given the power to mess things up horribly.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2008, 02:13:04 pm » |
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So how would I go about doing this?
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 05:00:08 am » |
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Umh?
Go to MS Express Edition page and download the whole lot in a DVD install or do one of web installs. After you finish the installation and having downloaded the FS Open sourcecode from SVN start the C++ express edition, go to 'file > open > project or solution'. Go to the directory where you placed the fs open sourcecode and select 'projects > MSVC_2005 > Freespace2.sln'. Wait a bit for it load properly. And assuming you had everything setup already all you need to do now is to select either debug or release option from the top menu and then select from the top bar 'build -> build solution'.
Or did you mean something else?
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 12:49:41 pm » |
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No, that's what I want. To make an .EXE.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 03:24:20 pm » |
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Well the procedure i described should have produced an .exe file.. To projects/msvc_2005/debug (or release) directory...
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2008, 08:30:15 am » |
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It had to convert it, and said "Some Warnings". Is that OK?
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2008, 08:53:23 am » |
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Warnings are ok (I've never been able to compile with less than 3 warnings, myself, except by turning them off), errors are not. Basically, as long as it produces an exe, you're in business.
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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 02:11:11 am » |
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Btw, without a full copy of Visual C++, you won't be able to compile FRED. It requires the MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes), which the Express editions do not come with. Neither do the additional SDKs. So, just for compiling FSO, you only need VC++ Express 2008. You should be able to convert the VS2005 project in place and compile with no additional changes necessary. I copy the 2005 project folder to a new one so it doesn't interfere with Tortoise every time I want to update the local code base.
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