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Offline ShadowGorrath

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Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
So I decided to make an Ancient-Shivan war mod. Unless this has been done/discussed/suggested before ... But I don't want to do it alone, and want to know if there's anyone interested. I have the whole idea pretty much near completion, and have already started making it. It's nothing special, as I'm just adding nerfed Ancient ships from Inferno, and FSPort Shivans. I can do most of the work, but still want someone to help me, and a campaign would be too big for my current "skills". So, anyone interested ?

P.S. This is NOT my actual, secret mod.  :p

I need someone who can:

Make an interface and HUD,
Upgrade textures ( high detail ones, glowmaps, shinemaps and normal maps. I suppose I can make normal maps, but I won't be able to test them ),
Various story assist/suggestions,
Testing ( I won't need many people for that, and I think that 1 will be enough. Adding this just in case ),
FREDing help,
And other stuff.

I will be doing most of the stuff though... But there might be a problem with the interface/hud.

SCREENIES:
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=53686.0;attach=5703
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And one more attached. Tell me, which Shivan anti-cap effect looks better ?

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« Last Edit: May 08, 2008, 01:26:04 pm by ShadowGorrath »

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
I'm interested on PLAYING it (:p)

There are many Ancient ships in INF SCP, wait for its release... ;) :lol:

Seriously...

Why FSPort Shivans? You're assuming that the Ancients fought nothing but poor Shivan stuff...I think you should add fearsome Shivan units like the Nahema and Rakshasa. There currently is no evidence stating that Shivan designs which first appeared in FS2 were "recent" and therefore not existant when the Shivans fought the Ancients.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
But, as far as we know, the Shivans pwned the Ancients hard. Therefore there might have not been a need for them to use the heavy artillery. Just send the Lucy, some cruisers and some fighters and ta-dah: the Ancients blow up.
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Actually, give the Shivans shields on >all< their capships (for all we know, their civilisation could have long forgotten how to make those large enough to defend caps).
They could also use Flux cannons instead of beams...
Also...

Umm, PM me if you're interested, I'm filled with stories (maybe I'll write a sci-fi bestseller some day, who knows...)
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
help yourself to the charlatan.
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Wrong. The Ancients were far better than the GTA, they had an incredibly vaste empire and an immense fleet. I guess they sent something like the Shivan fleet seen in FS2. I don't even think they were annihilated by a single Lucifer, the Ancient empire was too vaste...the Lucifer would've had to strike habitable planets and return back dozens of times(try to image an immense node map with the Lucifer choosing a path and returning back after each accomplishment)...sounds a bit weird...

It's up to the MOD designer...including advanced Shivan ships will boost the mod.


Actually, give the Shivans shields on >all< their capships (for all we know, their civilisation could have long forgotten how to make those large enough to defend caps).
They could also use Flux cannons instead of beams...

No, that would be weird. The Shivans are regular, that "could have long forgotten" just doesn't make sense...your BDay's affecting your posts, BengalTiger :P

help yourself to the charlatan.

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Maybe I am getting old...

But:

We know the Ancients didn't have anti-shield weapons and that the Shivans "didn't die".
Also in thousands of years a civilisation can rise and fall many times (look at Earth for example).


Now where's that charlatan...
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
The Shivans will be lead by the Lucifer. Ancients have stronger weapons and ships compared to the Shivans, but the Lucifer and vast numbers eventually take the empire down. The campaign I'm thinking of is on the second part of the war. The rest I won't disclose unless I get people willing to help me ^^

I am still developing it, but I have most ideas near complete.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
A species specialized in dealing with armor plating would find fighting the Shivans pretty difficult. Try to think of an immense Shivan fleet penetrating Ancient space...do you think there was time to develop new technologies? The Ancients really liked subspace, I exclude the destruction of nodes.

The speaker refers to an "always glorious" species, no moments of fall at that time.


The Shivans will be lead by the Lucifer. Ancients have stronger weapons and ships compared to the Shivans, but the Lucifer and vast numbers eventually take the empire down. The campaign I'm thinking of is on the second part of the war. The rest I won't disclose unless I get people willing to help me ^^

I am still developing it, but I have most ideas near complete.

Kind of meh. You're basically condemning your campaign by focusing the attention on the Lucifer.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
That's why I need help from people.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
You don't need people if you want to change your campaign ideas. There's the Sathanas from retail FS2 and many Inferno Shivan ships, please don't limit the Shivans to the Lucifer...this MOD has potential...

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Inferno R1 ships are rather ugly. But OK, seeing the reaction towards the Lucifer, there will be more, stronger ships.

And why I need help:
1. I'm a bad FREDer.
2. Ancient textures need a heavy upgrade. I could make normal and shinemaps, but the base textures need an upgrade.
3. There's only 1 Ancient fighter, and it needs more variety.
4. Help with storyline. I have the whole idea, but it needs feedback, an artistic touch, and further development.
5. Help with editing on the whole ( advice, explanations, support, testing, etc ).

Ok, rather tired today, so gonna go now.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
IMO you can use the Amritaya, the Scylla and the Vinaashak from INFR1. They're acceptable.

You can use Knossos textures for Ancient ships to replace INFR1's outdated Ancient textures. CP5670 did it in PI.

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
id include saths and even a couple dantes. id actually start off with the ancients on the winning front, blowing the **** out of said saths and dentes. i bet in the war the shivans were cut off, possibly loosing access to their larger ships. then they send in the lucifer, and head strait to the ancients' home planets. its entirely possible that shivans first deployed the shields during the war.

i don't think that the ancients were 100% defenseless against shivan shields. im sure they could get through them with limited success on smaller ships. the fact that terrans managed to kick their ass with even less technology than the ancients supposidly had im pretty sure they put up one hell of a fight, worthy of a campaign.
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
No Lucifer, at least not as the most.

What about...the Ancient lost because Shivan FIGHTERS/BOMBERS are equipped with shields? There's no need of shielded Shivan warships. You can include the upgraded Lucifer with no shields(but more turrets).

There are many things that are up to you, anyway...we don't have canon info regarding the Ancient society...you'll need to invent something reasonable and add proper naming conventions.

 
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The speaker refers to an "always glorious" species, no moments of fall at that time.

I was thinking that the Shivans could have had depressions between destroying the Ancients and meeting the GTVA.

And last post for me today I guess, tired too.
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Which is even less probable? :P

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
ever considered that the shivans invented shields because they were loosing?

I've always considered that shivans use their weapons as needed, and will deploy lesser weapons to the point that they deem they are useless. In fs1 the shivans had only a few beam cannons on the lucifer (if you consider the shivan super laser a beam). I think this was because whoever runs the show for the shivans thought that the weapons they had would be plenty so didn't equip heavy guns. then in fs2 the shivans managed to develop weapons equal to our own. coincidence? i don't think so. i think the shivans did some scans on the ntf when they were poking around with the Knossos and equipped accordingly.

so maybe 8000 years ago, shields were relatively new for the shivans. and their command didn't see the need to deploy them at first. then they started loosing ships. so a second wave was deployed with shields and accompanied by a lucifer. then the ancients get slaughtered. its enough to make a campaign around.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2008, 03:50:01 pm by Nuke »
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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Reletively knew but advanced enough to make the difference. I don't think the Shivans were that primitive back then, at least in terms of defense.

I'd like to see a reasonable campaign, free from stuff like the Ancients influencing the Shivans and/or the Shivans being primitive during the Ancient-Shivan war.

Keep in mind that this mod should include a proper interface, too...

 

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Re: Ancient-Shivan War Mod - Anyone interested ?
Forgot the source (somebody help me out?), but the general consensus is that the Ancients were only a few years superior to the GTA/PVN in the Great War except without shielding and more advanced in subspace technology.

EDIT: And whose side would the player be on?