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However, the most important fact to renember is: Halo isn't real :P
Yes, but every science fiction has to be believable to a certain degree, or the accessibility and immersion become proportionately less.

MAC cannons (yes, they are coilguns, thanks for the correction) still have some degree of traditional recoil, as evidenced by the aprubt kickback experienced by the Stationary MAC cannons around Earth (as evidenced in the first level of Halo 2).  They also have some degree of explosive properties, since at the end of the barrel there is a large expulsion of superheated gasses, and the fact that the projectile resembles a tank shell also indicates that the weapon is ballistic-based to some degree.

That said, it's to my knowledge that MAC guns mounted on capital ships have an effective way of dealing with recoil, in the form of kinetic springs, or at least something of similar function, positioned around the cannon for stability.
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I'll admit i'm no real physics expert (And, i'll warn you: i've had a couple of drinks), and i have no idea what kind of forces a MAC gun would make in a vacume such as space, but I do know that ere is only so much 'Energy'/force in the universe at a given time, So for a MAC gun to fire, the energy released formt he gun that wasn't in the projectile must go somewhere. As the above poster said, they could use some form of springs, but again, that energy must go somewhere still.

Unless those springs somehow can provide a boost of electrical power for the ship? :P
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I'll admit i'm no real physics expert (And, i'll warn you: i've had a couple of drinks), and i have no idea what kind of forces a MAC gun would make in a vacume such as space, but I do know that ere is only so much 'Energy'/force in the universe at a given time, So for a MAC gun to fire, the energy released formt he gun that wasn't in the projectile must go somewhere. As the above poster said, they could use some form of springs, but again, that energy must go somewhere still.

Unless those springs somehow can provide a boost of electrical power for the ship? :P
I'm sure there is an engine calibration to account for the opposing force akin to the recoil, although it could be like the space station, where the assembly the gun is attached too moves back with the full cannon, before slowly returning back to fire position.
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Stands to reason that the station based ones are nearly identical just scaled up. Omitting the housing and other bracing of course.
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I don't know why everyone is saying MAC guns would shred GTVA ships. Collossus got hit with a freakin destroyer and didn't even blink.
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MAC projectiles are A LOT faster than the average FS2 ship. Like, significant-percentage-of-c fast. The impact energy will shred anything in its path.
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...Sir, the MAC gun has reached power levels OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!

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Forget my last post: Aparently people dont understand the laws of the MAC Cannon. Really. The MAC (Magnetic Accelerated Cannon) uses the Physics of Magnetisum to charge the Cannon. Using the Kinitic Physical Laws the MAC can do major damage to Armor. Plus: If im right, Doesnt Subspace use Magnetic Properties meaning No Shields? Making the Lucifer and Shivan Strikecraft Weak to their Weaponary?
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What you said, it makes no sense.

 

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There's no "You", in Magnetism. . . .
 
Also, subspace stops shields. It doesn't Fanny up molecular cohesion by default on anything in it.
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Forget my last post: Aparently people dont understand the laws of the MAC Cannon. Really. The MAC (Magnetic Accelerated Cannon) uses the Physics of Magnetisum to charge the Cannon. Using the Kinitic Physical Laws the MAC can do major damage to Armor. Plus: If im right, Doesnt Subspace use Magnetic Properties meaning No Shields? Making the Lucifer and Shivan Strikecraft Weak to their Weaponary?

Ehh...

What you said, it makes no sense.

Sadly, it almost does. You're wanting to say electromagnetism, I assume. I don't know too much about the HALO-verse, but I get the impression the MAC is either a giant coil/Gauss or rail-type weapon: In either sense, you're dealing with electromagnetism.

The part about kinetic energy is... poorly put, but true. Any super-velocitized projectle will impart a tremendous amount of energy upon its target, so long as it has mass.

The last part is... kinda wierd. I'm guessing you're going off of one of the CBanis which shows a field about the subspace drive. However, that's an active drive unit. A launched projectile will probably not be utilizing some sort of field to... whatever you were after. In short, the conclusion you came up with is really quite disorganized. A MAC gun would still be a viable thread due to the fact that upon impacting a shiled, it would assumably place a great amount of energy against the shiled, weakening it after each strike, etc.
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Yes, I know all that, and no, it doesn't make any sense.

 

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Yes, I know all that, and no, it doesn't make any sense.

Holy obvious cow, Battman! Yes, I know you know...

And upon analysis of trying to see what BTA was trying to get at, it does make sense. Sense in the way that it's just wrong. Entirely wrong.

 :P
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What he seems to be saying is that MAC guns would do damage to armor through kinetic energy. Which is .... rather obvious, really.

As for shields in subspace. Shields don't work in subspace because jamma jamma biddy bang boom technobabble. Or, in other words, because shields don't work in subspace.

Would MAC rounds punch through a Lucifer's shields? We don't know, because the GTA/GTVA doesn't utilize mass drivers on the Halo scale. We literally have no idea how these two things would interact.

Which proves, if any proof was needed, that Universe vs Universe debates are one of the most pointless things in nerddom.
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Seriously.  I mean, FreeSpace has the friggin' luminiferous aether providing space-friction. :p

 

Offline Vrets

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FreeSpace would employ a transoneurotowerofbabblion ray pulse to disable the Halo's cheese shields before the pillar of chinamen could unleash its kinetic macintosh cannon.

A more interesting juxtaposition would be Star War's ethreal damper matrix vs Star Trek's time traveling walnut drives.

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Offline NeonShivan

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What he seems to be saying is that MAC guns would do damage to armor through kinetic energy. Which is .... rather obvious, really.

Would MAC rounds punch through a Lucifer's shields? We don't know, because the GTA/GTVA doesn't utilize mass drivers on the Halo scale. We literally have no idea how these two things would interact.


um, The E, take the Covie crusiers for example. The MACs really punch through the Shields on them. So they would break through the Lucifer meaning destruction. Also: The Covie beams: follow the same laws as GTVA and Shivan Beam weapons making the Lucifer dead meat to covie crusiers without backup :)


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Shivan beams and shields could be very different from the Covenant's. So no, we cannot say that MACs would punch through Lucifer shields. Some here don't even believe GTVA beams could pierce Lucifer shields.