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Offline TrashMan

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How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
on: October 17, 2015, 04:44:18 am
X3 has some really good looking ships that look fine even today. Especially if you count in mods.
Many of he boron ships would make fantastic vasudan vessels (with just a small color change)


How come no one did it?


Chart of vanila ships:
http://www.fybertech.com/4thread/v_125159149/1326650029700.jpg


Some great modded ones:
http://bbs.deeptimes.org/data/attachment/forum/201112/18/125724r9l5rq2u1l9irn9r.jpg

http://img165.poco.cn/mypoco/myphoto/20111204/03/563825992011120403230404.jpg
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 05:42:41 am
It's been plenty done before with mixed results.









 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 05:48:11 am
Yeah, I remember those. :) X3 ships were a thing back when I was on the main team. They were inefficient, had texture problems (due to being reskinned in a somewhat odd way) and could bring legal issues with them as well. They did look nice, though I hated working with them.

I wouldn't be against seeing a couple of straight conversions using the original textures (as opposed to reskinning them like BP did), but it's not a straightforward job.
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 07:55:57 am
How do you extract the X3 models and get them into 3ds max?, as there are a couple of ships i like
http://www.youtube.com/user/AnubisX1

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 10:00:01 pm
Quote from: Dragon on October 17, 2015, 05:48:11 am
Yeah, I remember those. :) X3 ships were a thing back when I was on the main team. They were inefficient, had texture problems (due to being reskinned in a somewhat odd way) and could bring legal issues with them as well. They did look nice, though I hated working with them.

I wouldn't be against seeing a couple of straight conversions using the original textures (as opposed to reskinning them like BP did), but it's not a straightforward job.

You can argue fair use and properly cite the original models, I don't see why X3 developers would mind if their models were used for non-profit purposes so long as they're properly cited.
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 10:06:10 pm
Quote from: BTA on October 17, 2015, 10:00:01 pm
Quote from: Dragon on October 17, 2015, 05:48:11 am
Yeah, I remember those. :) X3 ships were a thing back when I was on the main team. They were inefficient, had texture problems (due to being reskinned in a somewhat odd way) and could bring legal issues with them as well. They did look nice, though I hated working with them.

I wouldn't be against seeing a couple of straight conversions using the original textures (as opposed to reskinning them like BP did), but it's not a straightforward job.

You can argue fair use and properly cite the original models, I don't see why X3 developers would mind if their models were used for non-profit purposes so long as they're properly cited.

Fair use on what grounds?
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 10:15:03 pm
Quote from: starbug on October 17, 2015, 07:55:57 am
How do you extract the X3 models and get them into 3ds max?, as there are a couple of ships i like

Google DBOX2 for 3ds max
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 04:00:19 am
Cheers Darius : )
http://www.youtube.com/user/AnubisX1

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 12:38:58 pm
Quote from: BTA on October 17, 2015, 10:00:01 pm
You can argue fair use and properly cite the original models, I don't see why X3 developers would mind if their models were used for non-profit purposes so long as they're properly cited.

Fair use is a positive defence (i.e. it only exists when you're in court being sued for IP theft) and the terms under which it applies are much, much narrower than 'non-profit purposes'.
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #9 on: October 18, 2015, 08:03:40 pm
Well, had you still considered perhaps asking the developers?
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #10 on: October 20, 2015, 05:46:55 am
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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #11 on: October 20, 2015, 02:47:17 pm
BP at one point got refused couldn't obtain permission for the model we wanted to use. So there's that. If you can get an X3 mod to hand over its models for conversion (and manage to convert them so that they looks good), then I'm sure it'd be very welcome.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 05:14:31 pm by Dragon »
 

Offline Darius

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #12 on: October 20, 2015, 03:45:35 pm
Not sure what you're on about Dragon.
The head of the X-tended modpack was happy for us to use their models but couldn't get in contact with the modellers to get specific permission. That was why we discarded them.

Again, modded ships from X3 were ported over several times, from Cadius X-tra ship pack

Custos-X
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Florence
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #13 on: October 20, 2015, 05:18:36 pm
Ah, you're right. Fixed. :) I recall something like this about the model we wanted for the UEF AWACS ship (the large one, with a big cluster of dishes on top). Then again, that was long ago. TBH, I forgot that Cadius' pack was from X3 as well.
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #14 on: January 29, 2016, 06:03:57 pm
Well, because of fairness:
The Florence is MY model. Cadius had the allowness to use it and modified it for one of his X3-projects...
I was really wondered when playing war in heavon and seeing the ship...

 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #15 on: January 29, 2016, 06:18:53 pm
Funny how things turned out. :) Well, it's a really good model, do you still have the original files? While the current Florence looks pretty nice, that doesn't mean there's no way to improve it.
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #16 on: January 29, 2016, 06:37:58 pm
Quote from: Lc4Hunter on January 29, 2016, 06:03:57 pm
Well, because of fairness:
The Florence is MY model. Cadius had the allowness to use it and modified it for one of his X3-projects...
I was really wondered when playing war in heavon and seeing the ship...



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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #17 on: January 29, 2016, 07:56:29 pm
sins. i love that game though never used the carrier much.
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #18 on: January 30, 2016, 02:33:56 am

Sins model vs. my model... i rebuild the model for X3 and have not used the original one.

As you can see here i already made this in 2009.
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=265516

And yes, it´s just fair to name me as the creator of the basic model which Cadius used.
That was the agreement we made.  :nod:

@Dragon: You can download the file (and other ships) from the list at the link. All files are still there, just the pictures are missing.
 

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Re: How come no one ported X3 ships in Freepsace?
Reply #19 on: January 30, 2016, 02:34:09 am
Thanks for letting us know Lc4Hunter.

Are you still happy for us to use it in the mod? I'll update the wiki and ingame credits to reflect proper creator.
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