[Luis Dias]

Boy, you're really mad that other people have figured out how to be paid for their opinions and you haven't, huh?

Is being envious of con artists something you usually do?

To each their own.

[Det. Bullock]

American gun culture is, obviously a massive, massive problem which carries a lot of direct blame for the massacre in Orlando, and I completely endorse anyone blaming the NRA. (The same can be said of Islamic homophobia, but based on The E's postings over the last few months I doubt I'll see him demanding that any mosques fly rainbow flags.) I don't think having games in which you shoot people, especially in a military setting, is really very relevant, given that for the entirety of human history a lot of entertainment has been about violence, and I think it's in very poor taste to start blaming people for the worst mass shooting in US history based on an inevitable coincidence.

In fact they don't speak about Disonhored 2 which is plenty violent but isn't gun-centric, the problem is that many military shooters are designed and/or marketed to pull at the gun fetishism and while the thing isn't wrong per se it makes having an E3 with a healthy dose of the genre at least a bit awkward.

Boy, you're really mad that other people have figured out how to be paid for their opinions and you haven't, huh?

Is being envious of con artists something you usually do?

To each their own.

By your criteria every literature academic is a con artist, as well as any film, music, literature and figurative art critic.

[Phantom Hoover]

Had the article actually had insightful or even vaguely sensible things to say about gaming and gun culture I probably would have come round to agree with it. I really do detest gun fetishism. But it doesn't. It's just a bunch of vague, moralistic weasel words to the effect that "in Orlando, Omar Mateen killed people with a gun. In EA's new game, players kill people with a gun. This is horrible and insensitive. People die in real life and this is bad so entertainment that depicts people dying is bad." Like I said earlier: it is fundamentally no different to what Jack Thompson crusaded for.

[Luis Dias]

By your criteria every literature academic is a con artist, as well as any film, music, literature and figurative art critic.

There are literature academics and then there are games journalists.

And then there's the confusion of conflating the two.

[Det. Bullock]

By your criteria every literature academic is a con artist, as well as any film, music, literature and figurative art critic.

There are literature academics and then there are games journalists.

And then there's the confusion of conflating the two.

That's just being a snob that thinks games aren't high and mighty enough to withstand criticism, the only difference is that videogames are a young art form so there isn't a fully formed specialized academia yet and journalists being "pretentious" is just an attempt to form one, with films it happened more or less the same way.

[Luis Dias]

I never said that a games journalist can't be so good that he might as well qualify as a "literary academic".

I'm saying that generally, they totally aren't that. But they do behave pretensiously as if they have that title.

[666maslo666]

FPS games producers have exactly zero moral obligation to respond or acknowledge this shooting. I mean, they could do a minute of silence for the victims, or they could just ignore it entirely as not relevant for a gaming conference, because it is not. Doesnt matter.

But, trying to guilt trip them into a "correct" response by such stupid article is unethical, IMHO. That "journalist" has a right to write anything he wants, and consumers have a right to call him a hack who insults hard working developers by his pseudo-moralistic BS, and tries to capitalize on a tragedy by chasing clicks.

Maybe games deserve a well made cultural criticism, but it will most certainly not come from these so called journalists who are the gaming press equivalent of a ****ty tabloid.

[Det. Bullock]

FPS games producers have exactly zero moral obligation to respond or acknowledge this shooting. I mean, they could do a minute of silence for the victims, or they could just ignore it entirely as not relevant for a gaming conference, because it is not. Doesnt matter.

But, trying to guilt trip them into a "correct" response by such stupid article is unethical, IMHO. That "journalist" has a right to write anything he wants, and consumers have a right to call him a hack who insults hard working developers by his pseudo-moralistic BS, and tries to capitalize on a tragedy by chasing clicks.

Maybe games deserve a well made cultural criticism, but it will most certainly not come from these so called journalists who are the gaming press equivalent of a ****ty tabloid.

Except that if there is no moment of silence during a footbal match after some cop got stabbed by a hooligan people will ***** about it.

They do so because videogame marketing is notoriously blind and you if don't explain to them that marketing a horror game like "the game that will disgust your mum" without enough lampshading will come off as stupid and demeaning to gamers in general they just won't notice.

Also, remember the "Anime fan on prom night" debacle, those are people that are completely disconnected from reality and need to be reminded that good taste in advertising and real irony exist.

[AdmiralRalwood]

unethical

[headdie]

I love this place, We have gone from a quick heads up about TBs new subreddit, to the possible links between violent computer games and the Orlando Shooting with memes in less than 3 days and 44 posts

[Luis Dias]

Except that if there is no moment of silence during a footbal match after some cop got stabbed by a hooligan people will ***** about it.

Don't compare the incomparable. Hooligans are, alledgedly, football fans. A gay hating muslim has ... zero to do with the Call Of Duty fanbase.

[Spoon]

I love this place, We have gone from a quick heads up about TBs new subreddit, to the possible links between violent computer games and the Orlando Shooting with memes in less than 3 days and 44 posts

I see AdmiralRalwood is applying the highest form of debate


(replace anime face with meme's etc, you know what I mean)

It's definitely been an amusing read though. So about that totalbiscuit subreddit...

[Det. Bullock]

Except that if there is no moment of silence during a footbal match after some cop got stabbed by a hooligan people will ***** about it.

Don't compare the incomparable. Hooligans are, alledgedly, football fans. A gay hating muslim has ... zero to do with the Call Of Duty fanbase.

I don't know, the american gun fetish seems like a pretty big element in common.

[666maslo666]

Except that if there is no moment of silence during a footbal match after some cop got stabbed by a hooligan people will ***** about it.

Obviously, football match and football hooligans are connected. FPS games and gay club shooting is not.

They do so because videogame marketing is notoriously blind and you if don't explain to them that marketing a horror game like "the game that will disgust your mum" without enough lampshading will come off as stupid and demeaning to gamers in general they just won't notice.

I dont really see anything wrong with that marketing. A bit childish, but not unethical at all.

Also, remember the "Anime fan on prom night" debacle, those are people that are completely disconnected from reality and need to be reminded that good taste in advertising and real irony exist.

I dont remember that debacle, but anyway, if some people need to be reminded about good taste, then do so. But nobody needs to be reminded about a gay bar shooting on a video game conference. It is just not relevant in that setting. Ignoring it in such context is not distasteful at all.

[Luis Dias]

Except that if there is no moment of silence during a footbal match after some cop got stabbed by a hooligan people will ***** about it.

Don't compare the incomparable. Hooligans are, alledgedly, football fans. A gay hating muslim has ... zero to do with the Call Of Duty fanbase.

I don't know, the american gun fetish seems like a pretty big element in common.

Between a vague, ethereal notion of "fetishness" about guns and this Orlando preacher who had just given a call to kill gays days before this shooting, and who the killer had just listened to, I see all the liberals picking the former as a culprit worth discussing.

Don't be stupefied with surprise gasps when the gay demo starts drifting to the right and towards Trump. It's because of such inanity that this will eventually happen.

[The E]

Between a vague, ethereal notion of "fetishness" about guns and this Orlando preacher who had just given a call to kill gays days before this shooting, and who the killer had just listened to, I see all the liberals picking the former as a culprit worth discussing.

Don't be stupefied with surprise gasps when the gay demo starts drifting to the right and towards Trump. It's because of such inanity that this will eventually happen.

Isn't it a bit disingenuous to complain about commenters making comments before all the facts of a case are known? Does this invalidate the criticism of the availability of guns?

[666maslo666]

I don't know, the american gun fetish seems like a pretty big element in common.

American gun fetish is only tangentially related to this particular shooting. And FPS games are hardly even related to American gun fetish. What do you expect FPS games developers and producers to self-flagellate after every mass shooting? Thats truly absurd. They should not be pressured to do any such thing.

[Luis Dias]

Unless you're about to propose getting rid of the 2nd amendment (or shackle the first), I see no possible good faith line of reasoning regarding the availability of guns. (I do agree with some proposals though). Keep in mind that the killer used a semi-automatic, but also a handgun. Banning AK47s or some other things liberals are railing on every single day after this event wouldn't have prevented this horror. A sick conviction and fervor was all the murderer needed.

To get muslim preachers on the line and make them be crystal clear that they condemn any and every kind of violence done to fellow human beings, and to pressure them into saying this much more often, is thousands of times more effective.

Instead, we are pressuring EA to do .... whatever it was. Yeah. That'll solve the problem.

[The E]

To get muslim preachers on the line and make them be crystal clear that they condemn any and every kind of violence done to fellow human beings, and to pressure them into saying this much more often, is thousands of times more effective.

Instead, we are pressuring EA to do .... whatever it was. Yeah. That'll solve the problem.

And if a video game site were to do this, how long do you think it would take for people to complain that they're not talking about games? There are places where that sort of call to action is better placed.

[Phantom Hoover]

The fact that there have been plenty of mass shootings in the US by non-Muslims does rather undermine your argument that Islam is the only real factor behind this one, as does the fact that Islamic terror attacks in Europe have required much greater organisation and support than one guy heading to the gun shop.