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Offline Colonol Dekker

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New Russian tank - T14


Russia to Unveil Its New Tank, the T-14 Armata
By SOF

The next much talked about in recent months Russian tank is here.

The T-14 Armata will make its public debut at the 9 May Victory Day parade. The tank is intended to be the successor to the T-90, which entered service in 1992. The last American main battle tank, the M1 Abrams, first entered service in 1979.

The T-14 will feature a new 125mm main gun, the 2A82 with 32 rounds. The Russians are also planning a heavy infantry fighting vehicle companion, the T-15, to go with the T-14 Armata. And that’s not all.

A family of new combat vehicles based on the universal platform Armata will be displayed at a Victory Parade in 2015, Oleg Siyenko, General Director of the Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) research and production corporation, told ITAR-TASS in an exclusive interview at the ADEX-2014 international exhibition of armaments.

“All works are proceeding according to schedule. A whole family of armored vehicles based on the Armata platform will be displayed in a Victory Parade next year,” Siyenko said, Tass.ru.

“The newest MBT Armata has been developed by UVZ specialists on the basis of a heavy-duty platform of the same name. The platform is to be used for the development of a main battle tank, infantry combat vehicle, a heavy APC, a tank support combat vehicle, an armored repair-and-evacuation vehicle, a chassis for self-propelled artillery mounts, etc. The MBT will have a 125mm gun, remote-controlled and fully digitalized. The crew will operate the gun from an isolated armored capsule”, Tass.ru reports
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Something about those side mounted independently elevating but not rotating guns seems off.  Maybe for attack helicopter deterrence.  Be interesting to see more photos after May Day.  The lack of independent "commander's gun" seems like it would be easily remedied if needed I suppose.

 

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that looks pretty bad ass got to admit. looks like they tried incorporating a bit of stealth technology into it.
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Was driving home, thinking about it, maybe this is demonstrating the various turrets that will be on separate versions (MBT, AFV, AA).
Makes more sense than the sharks with bees in their mouths I see here.  But again, I could be wrong.

 

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I don't think it's stealth, at least from not radar. The armor is heavily sloped to deflect incoming projectiles, so this is kind of "stealth" from incoming bullets. :) The principle is actually somewhat similar, in both cases you don't want to have stuff hitting your hull dead-on. Heavy sloping and having few right angles help achieve that in both cases.

It does seem that they did try masking the heat signature somewhat. It seems to lack reactive armor for some reason (a staple of Russian tanks) and the elevating guns look odd (probably AA weapons, certainly look better for that than the puny commander's MG), but it certainly does seem like a modern, capable design. I'm sort-of looking forward to seeing it rolled out, though something tells me I really shouldn't... :)

Also, I can't wait for someone to model the thing in ArmA3. It certainly looks like it'd fit right in.

 

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Not sure where they'd even put a 'commander gun' since the thing is supposed to have an automated turret, that is not yet finished by the most recent messages I've read. It'll have a masked turret on the parade, most likely a mock-up.
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While insanely awesome, it really does make me ask the question: The hell are they going to need it for?
Entirely different topic altogether though.

I find it rather amusing that Russia keeps bringing in new tank designs while the States just sticks with the Abrams design while modernizing as tech improves
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****.  Now I'm just wondering if this "Great Patriotic Tank" release has to do what with sanctions.  Another pissing contest?

 

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I sure hope so. Because if it's not mere saber rattling, then everyone is in for a lot of trouble. That said, it probably is.
Not sure where they'd even put a 'commander gun' since the thing is supposed to have an automated turret, that is not yet finished by the most recent messages I've read. It'll have a masked turret on the parade, most likely a mock-up.
Hmm, if so, then this tank could possibly be operated by just two crewmen (driver and commander). That would be impressive, and fit Russia's concept of tank warfare. Their tanks are made to win campaigns, not battles, so they must be easy to mass produce and outfit. Reducing the number of crew would help there.
I find it rather amusing that Russia keeps bringing in new tank designs while the States just sticks with the Abrams design while modernizing as tech improves
Abrams can't last forever, and while it's a good tank, it might soon find itself at its limits. I have a feeling that the US doesn't make new tank designs, because today's conflicts hardly involve tanks (it's usually either aircraft or mech infantry). Which is a perfectly valid reason to focus on those instead. That Russia is making new tank designs means it either wants to show off, Cold War-style, or actually expects to be involved in an armed conflict where tanks would be of use. And it doesn't take much to guess where would that conflict happen.

 

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****.  Now I'm just wondering if this "Great Patriotic Tank" release has to do what with sanctions.  Another pissing contest?
No, this thing's been in the works for years, and it's pretty customary for the Russians to publicly reveal new stock in on the May 9 victory parade.

I sure hope so. Because if it's not mere saber rattling, then everyone is in for a lot of trouble. That said, it probably is.
Not sure where they'd even put a 'commander gun' since the thing is supposed to have an automated turret, that is not yet finished by the most recent messages I've read. It'll have a masked turret on the parade, most likely a mock-up.
Hmm, if so, then this tank could possibly be operated by just two crewmen (driver and commander). That would be impressive, and fit Russia's concept of tank warfare. Their tanks are made to win campaigns, not battles, so they must be easy to mass produce and outfit. Reducing the number of crew would help there.
The Russians learned in WW2 with the early T-34s that combining the gunner and commander roles overworks the person doing it.  Especially the unit commanders, who have to find targets, aim and fire the gun, tell the driver what to do, and also command all the other tanks in the platoon or company.  It doesn't work, which is why they switched to the conventional setup when they upgraded to the T-34-85.  This hasn't changed.

Another thing is that removing one person from the crew means more work for the remaining people when the tank needs to be serviced.  You've already removed the loader, so you've got a 3 man crew doing the work 4 people do on a Leopard 2 or an Abrams.  The weight saved can make that worth it, but with a 2 man crew? Not a chance.  It would be hell.

While insanely awesome, it really does make me ask the question: The hell are they going to need it for?
Potential war.  What else?  Countries that wait to be attacked before modernizing their forces don't fare well.

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I find it rather amusing that Russia keeps bringing in new tank designs while the States just sticks with the Abrams design while modernizing as tech improves
Which the Russians have been doing with pretty much all their tanks since the T-55.  Seriously, the Russians modernize old stock a lot more than the USA does.  Their T-72s are still perfectly viable MBTs, and the T-90 is the equal of the M1A2 for most purposes.  The Abrams is better in some ways, worse in others.
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The Russians learned in WW2 with the early T-34s that combining the gunner and commander roles overworks the person doing it.  Especially the unit commanders, who have to find targets, aim and fire the gun, tell the driver what to do, and also command all the other tanks in the platoon or company.  It doesn't work, which is why they switched to the conventional setup when they upgraded to the T-34-85.  This hasn't changed.
That's why I'm saying it'd be impressive. Now, it's true that maintenance would suffer, but with today's automation you could conceivably remove the gunner. If the turret is really automated, the commander doesn't have to aim the gun, just give it a target (like he already does). The computer would then put a round in it. In WWII, firing a gun was indeed a "full time job", it still is on tanks like Abrams, though it's significantly easier now than it was then. An FCS so advanced as to allow eliminating the gunner would be quite a feat, but is definitely possible. It'd save weight, interior space and allow fielding more vehicles with the same amount of men. On the other hand, maintenance could become a pain (unless it has some spiffy system to make that easier, anyway) and redundancy could suffer as well.

 

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Dragon: The commander's job is maintaining situational awareness and directing the entire tank.  It's not that aiming the gun is tough, but it's still a full time job.  Sure, the computer calculates lead and drop automatically now, but the gun still needs to be aimed manually, and it's going to stay that way for a very long time, for the simple reason that throwing rounds downrange doesn't always mean shooting at targets a computer can pick out through ground clutter.  And if the commander's focusing on shooting things, he's not paying attention to what's going on around the tank itself, or what the rest of the unit is doing.

If you really wanted to reduce the tank crew to 2 men, you'd have better results combining gunner and driver.  The commander's job is too essential to have him be distracted by actively shooting things.

 

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Well, considering T-90 is basically a modernization of T-72, a new concept was long overdue imho. While I believe the T-90 to be slightly superior to the abrams if only because you can afford 3 of them for the same price, the armor just doesn't compare, hence why Russians developed the quite awesome active defenses. T-14 is closer in weight to the Abrams, suggesting it might be better protected from stock.

What I find amazing is the degree to which Russians are making various systems interchangeable not just between the armored vehicles. This thing will have the same radar as the new T-50 fighter etc. Should make it rather cheap to acquire and maintain. The Nazis tried to do that with the E-series, although they came up with it too late.
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Actually, if you factor in the ERA, the T-90A has very nearly the same level of armor protection as the M1A1HA and M1A2, at least on the front axis.  Bit worse against KE penetrators, bit better against HEAT.  The T-72B obr.1989 is pretty much even with the M1A1.

Not sure how the T-90A measures up against the M1A2SEP, but that's because it's really hard to find numbers on the M1A2SEP's armor protection.
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This thing looks really impressive,looking at its armament,it could probably defeat Abrams in one on one fight,as even our Serbian T-84 is compatible to the Abrams.
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The whole automated turret thing got me intrigued, wonder how they will pull it off. Skynet fear intensifies!

Also, Russian spaced-armor = magic.
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It's not automated, it's remote controlled.  The 3-man crew is inside the hull.

 

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Potential war.  What else?  Countries that wait to be attacked before modernizing their forces don't fare well.

And who is going to attack Russia?
It overall just seems pointless given the likelihood any of this stuff will see any proper use (unless they intend to use it offensively) is pretty low
Still, I like military tech as much as the next fellow... I just fail to see its purpose unless you're actually preparing for something.
Least, any threat that would require such modern technology to counter with.

But, it gives people jobs so there's always that. No small amount either
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Regarding the reactive armour,  you can get it in racks that are quite modular to sling / bolt to the sides. Easier to replace. Also bar armour may be fitted In the future as it prevents traditional piezoelectric ignition on heat/rpg heads.
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The sloping armor on the turret is quite extreme.  I wonder when someone's gonna take a cue from battleship tactics and switch to plunging fire.  Radar and thermal targeting lock on to the target, computer predictions to lead the target, and then a special link or a pre-fire timing to have the shell detonate above the target and shower the engine compartment with shrapnel.
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