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Offline The E

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Indeed. While the new Narayana is less colorful than the old one, the fact that it doesn't eat framerates for breakfast means that there will be no officially supported patch to use the old model.

Same goes for the Karuna.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Don't forget that the last screenshot of the Nara was made in the BP mod for Homeworld 2. HW2 has quite different lighting and handles normal maps differently, as far as I gathered.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Not to mention shadows.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Don't forget that the last screenshot of the Nara was made in the BP mod for Homeworld 2. HW2 has quite different lighting and handles normal maps differently, as far as I gathered.
Yup. Not to mention that this, for the purpose of the thread, was a 9 month old pic. Bad ambient lighting and no normals.

This is what it currently looks like in HWBP


And what it looks like in FS (this is the 10-12 months old version that I don't know how I managed to acquire and which pof isn't suitable for ingame usage. Not sharing, don't ask). Might not reflect the current state of the ship, but I don't think it has been much altered visually since then.


While the new Narayana is less colorful than the old one
Wat.

Old nara is a dark tileraped mess. How is it more colorful.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Sorry, the last time I saw the old one was literally months ago :P
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The textures have been improved on the Narayana since I last saw it in that WIP thread. They are now much more rich with detail. It looks very nice actually. I probably will end up liking it the more I see it in game.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
And what it looks like in FS (this is the 10-12 months old version that I don't know how I managed to acquire and which pof isn't suitable for ingame usage. Not sharing, don't ask). Might not reflect the current state of the ship, but I don't think it has been much altered visually since then.

Wat, how is it not suitable for ingame usage.
I have like 10 (new) missions that work using that 10-12 months old version (or something slightly newer) in an independent modpack that never used the old one.

Then again I am kinda pr0 at debugging pofs at this point so I may have inadvertently fixed it in my sleep like the ****ing boss I am.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
That's probably it. The pof has different subsystem names, and broken subobject positions in LODs. Nothing that can't be fixed, but I've never been arsed to. It was suitable for conversion to HW2 and I never asked more of it.
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Offline WormholeSurfer

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
That in-game pic does look nicer than the one a couple pages back, but I'm still partial to the old model. Anyway I'm clearly outvoted so I'll see if I can hack the vp's on my own to use the old one once R2 is released, as I'm lucky enough not to have the framerate issue that's apparently plaguing y'all.

 

Offline Commander Zane

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Doesn't the intial R1 Narayana have bad smoothing?

 

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Yes. A trait it had in common with a lot of Steve-O ships, given that he uses TrueSpace.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Wait, have the optimized WiH ships been formally packaged up and released?

I originally got as far as Aristeia, and after about a dozen attempts, finally had enough of the FPSsanity-draining Karunas turning it into what felt like a luck-based mission, and decided to wait for the fixed-up ships before I tried to go any further.

 

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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
No, not all of them. Some of them have been passed out to selected people, and I think I posted a dump in FSModding at some point.

However, given that the new Karuna is finally completed, there will be a new WiH release soon, we just need to do a runthrough of the campaign and see if everything's working right, as well as wait for the SCP to start the RC process for 3.6.14 (Unfortunately, yes, the WiH rerelease WILL require 3.6.14, and will be incompatible with 3.6.12).
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(Unfortunately, yes, the WiH rerelease WILL require 3.6.14, and will be incompatible with 3.6.12).
How is it unfortunate that a new release will not be compatible with an old, outdated build ?
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Offline The E

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Because I would rather release with a stable build as a requirement, not one that is still in development.
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Well, you said 3.6.14, not RC. I supposed it was implying stable. My mistake if that isn't the case.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
Well, it's like this. We're still waiting for the sound code to be tested some more before we start releasing release candidates. Once we are at that stage, I feel comfortable releasing the wiH update, but not before.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
This just occurred to me, but if it does not affect singleplayer at all to add an eyepiece to the new optimised ships, such as the Narayana, it would help out bp multi down the road.

This will allow certain capships to be made playable without inserting another .pof file in the bp multi svn.

I believe this is already being done, but just double checking. If it adversely affects the single player experience in any way... don't worry about it.
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Re: BP: War in Heaven discussion
The New Narayana is really cool; I found it on the Ship release section under the cruisers and corvettes section. I wonder how many cruisers and corvettes can it take down? Hmmmm. ^^
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That depends on what kind of cruiser and corvette it is, from what angle they attack, how far they are away, what kind of weapons they carry and wether anything like special armor is applied in FRED.
And also wether they are just told to attack or given specific waypoints.