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Offline karajorma

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Except that it _is_ Scar. Did you think Birth of a Legend was about you?

Yeah, as the pilot in game.

The idea was that you would think it was about you at the start of the mission but by the time you realised that the mission put you up against Scar you'd realise it actually referred to him at least as much.

 The idea was you were the pilot responsible for giving Scar the scars he had in the episode. Until he met you he was a pristine Raider same as any other. So there is a certain amount of legend surrounding your pilot too. :D

Setting up the mission that way gave us the opportunity of allowing the player to take on and defeat Scar without having to alter canon or have the player play as Starbuck/Kat. The crew of the Pegasus didn't realise that they were dealing with Scar of course. They assumed that they were dealing with some new advanced Raider model. It's only after Scar has picked off a few of Galactica's pilots that they realise they are dealing with a standard Raider that has simply gotten better.

Unfortunately engine limitations prevented us from making Scar as tricky a bastard as he was in the show when that mission was written for BtRL. These limitations appear to have now been fixed now thanks to Sushi and when you meet Scar in Diaspora (not in R1 but eventually) you will definitely know he's not a standard raider. :D
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
 :nervous:

I really thought he was bad enough in BtRL, though after a few playthroughs I found I could almost kill him before he escaped...
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
I dunno who scar is :)

 

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year


How many raiders could be docked with the basestar at once?
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
uhhh that basestar render is looking good, where can I find more of those shots?
EDIT: never mind, googlelizing it...

also:

wanna crash it with my loki :drevil:
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
The idea was that you would think it was about you at the start of the mission but by the time you realised that the mission put you up against Scar you'd realise it actually referred to him at least as much.

 The idea was you were the pilot responsible for giving Scar the scars he had in the episode. Until he met you he was a pristine Raider same as any other. So there is a certain amount of legend surrounding your pilot too. :D

Setting up the mission that way gave us the opportunity of allowing the player to take on and defeat Scar without having to alter canon or have the player play as Starbuck/Kat. The crew of the Pegasus didn't realise that they were dealing with Scar of course. They assumed that they were dealing with some new advanced Raider model. It's only after Scar has picked off a few of Galactica's pilots that they realise they are dealing with a standard Raider that has simply gotten better.

Unfortunately engine limitations prevented us from making Scar as tricky a bastard as he was in the show when that mission was written for BtRL. These limitations appear to have now been fixed now thanks to Sushi and when you meet Scar in Diaspora (not in R1 but eventually) you will definitely know he's not a standard raider. :D

Ahh.. thanks kara, it makes a lot more sense now.
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
If you want to improve your basestar's launching bays look the vidéo here : http://www.zoicstudios.com/#/creations/television/31-battlestar-galactica/

Zoic studio is the official of BSG.

On the vid we can see the basestar and the raiders =)

 

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Except that Zoic was only the official VFX house for S01 and S02. They switched to an in-house team after that.
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Zoic studio is the official of BSG.

Was being the operative word.  That massive drop off in CGI quality in season III and IV?  Yeah that's the was.  :P


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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Yeah, I gotta say, that in-house team did not live up to Zoic. Their models may have been better, but...

 

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Surprisingly, I have no lack of basestar references :) Believe me I have loads, rendered from the official one. There is a big difference between doing a ship for a video and for game usage. If you're doing it for video, well first of all you can build it detailed and have loads of high rez maps etc. Secondly you get to choose what will be seen and what won't be seen. In game work however you're quite limited in model detail and texture count/rez, and on top of that you don't have the luxury of choosing the angles and distances something will be seen from - on a ship like that you can't stop the player from getting to like half a meter away from the ship then wondering why it doesn't look like the zoic version. First of all zoic's racks weren't that impressive but they had the luxury of showing them from the angles and distances of their choosing, at specific preset lighting conditions. In improving the rack interior maps i'll actully need to take a slight detour from canon.
Secondly, I don't want to seem ungrateful, but please do not offer us any zoic version basestar references. Trust me, we've seen them all and could quite probably show you loads you haven't seen yet.
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Yeah, I gotta say, that in-house team did not live up to Zoic. Their models may have been better, but...

Heresy!

The original models are much more pleasing to the eye then the new ones.  The original Baseship was a massive organic space leviathan, in house manged to make it look industrial and smaller in one go.  The VII? sure the F/A-18 Rhino bits were kind of cool but they made the thing tubby with a nose like Gonzo the Great.  Not to mention magically putting a gun on top of Pegasus' flight pod that exists only for one scene. Quite frankly the Battle of the Rez and Ragnar despite being relatively smaller battles asset wise trump the hell out of the in house big battles in III and IV.
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Okay no problèm it was just a suggestion =)
This model is really great for a game we don't need more  :yes:

 

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How many raiders could be docked with the basestar at once?

Well theoretically in game you could dock 398 of them but that would A: leave no ships except you against a Basestar and 398 Raiders and B:  Make your FPS got to darn near 0 (if your system didn't melt) when you looked at it.  
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How many raiders could be docked with the basestar at once?

Well theoretically in game you could dock 398 of them but that would A: leave no ships except you against a Basestar and 398 Raiders and B:  Make your FPS got to darn near 0 (if your system didn't melt) when you looked at it.  

Lol alone with a basestar and all the raiders  :lol:

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Yeah, I gotta say, that in-house team did not live up to Zoic. Their models may have been better, but...

Heresy!

The original models are much more pleasing to the eye then the new ones.  The original Baseship was a massive organic space leviathan, in house manged to make it look industrial and smaller in one go.  The VII? sure the F/A-18 Rhino bits were kind of cool but they made the thing tubby with a nose like Gonzo the Great.  Not to mention magically putting a gun on top of Pegasus' flight pod that exists only for one scene. Quite frankly the Battle of the Rez and Ragnar despite being relatively smaller battles asset wise trump the hell out of the in house big battles in III and IV.

I completely concur. Resurrection Ship's probably my favorite SF battle of all time. The things they do with light and fire are just poetic.

 

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
I agree, zoic is way better like 99% of the time. Even though the retconned basestar has much more detail and can be shown from much closer angles (that's why it was retconned in the first place), I find the zoic variant's general design to be much scarier. Zoic's lines were smooth and it made the ship like a giant predator in space. Like something that might be related to the great white shark :) The added detail breaks the smooth lines and kills the feeling for me. Secondly Zoic knew where to put windows and how many to put them - this helped to really feel the enormous size of the ship, a feeling that was somewhat dampened with the retconned version.
When they figured out that the zoic variant can't hold up to scrutiny when coming too close they should have improved the rez and detail on that one without changing the design and adding crap that spoils the whole feeling of the ship.
Still, inhouse made valkyrie so that's one point for them :)
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The retconned Basestars appeared to be half the size of the Zoic ones, and I agree with Newman that they seemd far less ominous.  Their over-sized windows seemed more in keeping with a cruise ship's than a warship's.

As for the argument, I suspect that our Polish firend was misunderstood, perhaps because English is not his first language and he struggled to make himself clear.  I think he was trying to say that the texture in the Raider slots has the appearance if tissue paper, not that the quality of the model was poor.  Contrary to what others said, I don't think the forum gave him much of a chance to clarify or rewrite his comments before decending upon him with wrath and certainly doesn't deserve the self-congratulatory "aren't we tolerant" praise - nothing was tolerated or even given a chance to be clarified or withdrawn for even a second.

Personally, all of this modelling is beyond me and I'm hugely impressed at what has been achieved.  I have no idea of what the texturing explaination mean, never having made a computer model, but I do understand that the Basestar is even harder than usual to texture.  One question arises: why worry too much about the slots?  You're never going to be that close to them without travelling at high speed, so you'll struggle to even acknowledge the existsence of the slots, nevermind assess their detail.  I suspect that once the brightness of their texturing has been toned down, so they seem to be dark grey and in shadow rather than internally lit, they'll look completely suitable.

 

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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
Let's not go back into what kobrar did or did not mean as that discussion is, thank the gods, over - let's not rekindle it.
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Re: 10-01-11 - Kicking Off The New Year
I have some clips I found of BSG that I figured would let you all see the difference between zoics and in houses.Sure Zoic did awesome ones in S1 and 2 but in house did some great ones to.Just fyi in house did Razor not Zoic.In house also did the plan.The only thing I liked about the plan was the amazing effects.

Heres my favorite moment in razor.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgH83IqL8T8

So heres the list.There all on hulu which can be slow at times just a little warning.

These are all Zoics.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/52708/battlestar-galactica-best-space-battle-starbuck-saves-apollo#s-p9-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59122/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-explosion-the-olympic-carrier#s-p6-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/63279/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-cylon-kill-scar#s-p2-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59132/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-explosion-the-resurrection-ship#s-p5-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59121/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-explosion-cloud-nine#s-p6-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/61176/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-surprise-moment-new-caprica-takeover#s-p4-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2134/battlestar-galactica-lock-n-load#s-p21-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/59123/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-explosion-the-pegasus#s-p6-sr-i0

The following are all in house.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2133/battlestar-galactica-ambush#s-p16-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2120/battlestar-galactica-running-out-of-time#s-p16-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2128/battlestar-galactica-photo-finish#s-p21-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2131/battlestar-galactica-an-act-of-war#s-p22-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/2174/battlestar-galactica-phantom-dogfight#s-p17-sr-i0

http://www.hulu.com/watch/63028/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-surprise-moment-starbucks-return#s-p3-sr-i0

Forgot the Hub!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/59128/battlestar-galactica-battlestar-best-explosion-the-cylon-hub

I thought karas death scene was amazing,same goes for the Valkyrie and the nova.I also thought the colony battle was great which I dont have a clip of.I liked the hub explosion to.

Also im not trying to rekindle the debate.Just letting you see for yourselves.I actually hope this settles it.

The return of Starbuck scene actually made me come up with idea I want to suggest.Whenever you have the next trailer for Diaspora please have it set to All Along The Watchtower!Hope you use the Jimmy Hendrix version.Thats the best.
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