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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Having dipped my toes into modding a fair bit way back when Squadwar was in its prime and before derelict had been released, the only way of free modelling was to use truespace V 2.x or if you were lucky enough to have v3.x ;).  Even then, uv mapping was dependant on lithunwrap or other paid mapping software.  Texturing relied on demo versions of paint shop pro etc and table editing was done on notepad.   

I was idly thinking how much more is available to the newer younger Modders who've been born since hlp was founded and I wonder what we would've achieved had we as a pre scp user base had access to the same amount of quality freeware. 


(Edited to correct autocorrelation fails of initial post)
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Offline Nyctaeus

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3D: Blender is highly recommended, but there also Sketchup and Wings3D. I recently talked with Moonred - Author of HTL Nemesis and HTL Warlock and he still use Wings. In fact developers added numerous useful features for Wings, so it's still powerfull tool. In my opinion, only Blender is equal competition for Maya and ZBrush.
2D: GIMP is obvious choice as it has majority of Photoshop functions, but before I acquired my PS license I used Paint.NET with thousands of plugins. I found it better than GIMP due to it's very powerfull kit of plugins and it's just easy. Microsoft should drop Paint 3D long time ago, and support further development of Paint.NET as it would be excellent rival for Photoshop. Current basic version has unfortunately very limited kit tool.
Tables: Notepad is, was and will be always the best :P.

Only Blender from free software is as good as their paid equivalents. And in fact, equal only to Maya. I never worked with ZBrush as I'm too poor to acquire a license :P, but as far as I know it's excellent. In case of 2D software options are in fact extremely limited. While I make textures in Photoshop, Substance Painter 2 is without any doubt absolute king of texturing 3D models. Just see GTF Hydra :D! Photoshop is excellent to pair up with Substance Painter.

TL;DR
If you have money: Blender/Maya -> Substance Painter 2 [for basic texturing] -> Photoshop [for adjustments and texture conversion]
If you don't have money: Blender/Wings 3D -> Paint.NET [basic texturing and conversion] -> Gimp [normalmaps]
« Last Edit: August 29, 2017, 11:42:21 am by Nyctaeus »
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Tables: Notepad is, was and will be always the best :P.
Notepad++ you surely mean? If not, wtf are you doing?
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[02:42] <@Axem> spoon somethings wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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Tables: Notepad is, was and will be always the best :P.
Notepad++ you surely mean? If not, wtf are you doing?


Absolutely this.

Sums it up perfectly.

 

Offline Nyctaeus

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Tables: Notepad is, was and will be always the best :P.
Notepad++ you surely mean? If not, wtf are you doing?


Absolutely this.

Sums it up perfectly.
Lel... Do I really need somekind of super-hyper-advanced text editor to copy and paste things o___O?
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All of my stuff can be used ONLY in Freespace campaigns and missions.

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Offline wookieejedi

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Tables: Notepad is, was and will be always the best :P.
Notepad++ you surely mean? If not, wtf are you doing?


Absolutely this.

Sums it up perfectly.
Lel... Do I really need somekind of super-hyper-advanced text editor to copy and paste things o___O?

Yes :nod: Especially when you can use custom FSO language syntax highlighting! But if regular notepad works for you then that's cool, too  :D
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Lel... Do I really need somekind of super-hyper-advanced text editor to copy and paste things o___O?
Notepad++ is super-hyper-advanced now?
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schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

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<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

Offline BirdofPrey

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Lel... Do I really need somekind of super-hyper-advanced text editor to copy and paste things o___O?
Notepad++ isn't particularly super advanced, but it does have a MUCH better UX. 
Syntax highlighting is super useful, it detects brackets, so is easier to quickly parse minor mistakes (mis-formatted elements on't be highlighted the same, and you can more easily see when you haven't closed an element properly), and when you select text it also highlights other instances of that.

The line numbering can also be useful at times, as well.

On a side note, I don't have my custom syntax highlighting anymore, does anyone happen to have a copy of highlighting for the tables I can steal?
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Offline wookieejedi

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Lel... Do I really need somekind of super-hyper-advanced text editor to copy and paste things o___O?
Notepad++ isn't particularly super advanced, but it does have a MUCH better UX. 
Syntax highlighting is super useful, it detects brackets, so is easier to quickly parse minor mistakes (mis-formatted elements on't be highlighted the same, and you can more easily see when you haven't closed an element properly), and when you select text it also highlights other instances of that.

The line numbering can also be useful at times, as well.

On a side note, I don't have my custom syntax highlighting anymore, does anyone happen to have a copy of highlighting for the tables I can steal?

I think it' still on the forums? http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=91323.0
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For notepad++, here and here.
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schrödinbug (noun) - a bug that manifests itself in running software after a programmer notices that the code should never have worked in the first place.

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"I am one of the best FREDders on Earth" -General Battuta

<Aesaar> literary criticism is vladimir putin

<MageKing17> "There's probably a reason the code is the way it is" is a very dangerous line of thought. :P
<MageKing17> Because the "reason" often turns out to be "nobody noticed it was wrong".
(the very next day)
<MageKing17> this ****ing code did it to me again
<MageKing17> "That doesn't really make sense to me, but I'll assume it was being done for a reason."
<MageKing17> **** ME
<MageKing17> THE REASON IS PEOPLE ARE STUPID
<MageKing17> ESPECIALLY ME

<MageKing17> God damn, I do not understand how this is breaking.
<MageKing17> Everything points to "this should work fine", and yet it's clearly not working.
<MjnMixael> 2 hours later... "God damn, how did this ever work at all?!"
(...)
<MageKing17> so
<MageKing17> more than two hours
<MageKing17> but once again we have reached the inevitable conclusion
<MageKing17> How did this code ever work in the first place!?

<@The_E> Welcome to OpenGL, where standards compliance is optional, and error reporting inconsistent

<MageKing17> It was all working perfectly until I actually tried it on an actual mission.

<IronWorks> I am useful for FSO stuff again. This is a red-letter day!
* z64555 erases "Thursday" and rewrites it in red ink

<MageKing17> TIL the entire homing code is held up by shoestrings and duct tape, basically.

 

Offline BirdofPrey

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Offline Nyctaeus

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Gosh... It was an irony with this super-hiper-advanced :P

Anyway, yup - I don't need anything but classic Notepad for table editing. It has copy, paste and replace and all that I need :]. More advanced tools are useful especially for outside-FRED mission editing. My bro has numerous tools, including custom-made message and event generators but it's like black magic for me. For basic tabling Notepad is absolutely sufficient.

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Old Conversions | GTSD Anchorage | ORFg Tychicus | GTCa Sagittarius | SCv Scylla | EFC Evangelist | EFFg Solomon | GTL Latona | SC Raguel | PVD Atum | GTCv Eurynome | FractalSpace - Apophysis Skydome Pack | Updated Ancients Models
All of my stuff can be used ONLY in Freespace campaigns and missions.

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Offline wookieejedi

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Gosh... It was an irony with this super-hiper-advanced :P

Anyway, yup - I don't need anything but classic Notepad for table editing. It has copy, paste and replace and all that I need :]. More advanced tools are useful especially for outside-FRED mission editing. My bro has numerous tools, including custom-made message and event generators but it's like black magic for me. For basic tabling Notepad is absolutely sufficient.

Right on, whatever works best for you!
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Offline Colonol Dekker

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The leaps and bounds blender has made is mind blowing too, consider the ships that Dark had concept art of, they would have been possible with it back then.