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Title: I have no knowledge about animé and peer pressure is getting to me please help.
Post by: Grizzly on April 11, 2017, 03:19:54 pm
Hi!

I have never watched an animé in my life (except Pokémon).
Where should I start?
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Post by: FrikgFeek on April 11, 2017, 03:52:54 pm
Do you want the memes so that you can meme with everyone else or are you interested in something actually decent to watch? Because I can give you both  ;7
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Post by: Turambar on April 11, 2017, 03:54:49 pm
Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy.  Yes, the one from the early '80s.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 11, 2017, 03:55:17 pm
I am not interested in memes, but I am interested in something actually decent to watch.

Like everybody keeps telling me ghost in the shell is good should I start with that? Which version?
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Post by: FrikgFeek on April 11, 2017, 04:14:42 pm
Alright, so you want to start off with something pretty easy and gateway-ish. You're probably too old for standard gateway shounen with like 600000 episodes though.

For ghost in the shell I'd recommend "stand alone complex", the 2002 TV series, though the original 1995 movie is also good.

For mecha shows I'd recommend something more recent for starters. Macross Zero(4 ep OVA), Code Geass, or Gundam 00 are good gateways. You can go back and watch the older stuff if you decide you like it. The continuity switches all the time anyway.

For space sci-fi try Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Space Battleship Yamato(the recent remakes are pretty good), or Gundam Wing. Legend of the Galactic heroes is really good but it's got like a bajillion episodes and a plot super far up its own ass so it might not be great for starters.

As for generally good starter shows try Steins; Gate, Baccano!, Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood(64 episodes might be a bit of a commitment), Psycho Pass, or Black Lagoon.

Pick some at random, google them(or search them on MAL or Crunchyroll) and if they seem interesting from the plot summary have fun watching them.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 11, 2017, 04:17:09 pm
Cowboy Bebop is still a great point for orbital insertion into the anime.  It looks sharp, sounds fantastic, the characters and stories are cool and accessible.   As a bonus the dubs are still one of the best around so you dont need to read like an elitist.
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Post by: Scotty on April 11, 2017, 04:20:17 pm
Anime that is good that I like and recommend:

Psycho-Pass (disclaimer: dark and violent)
Black Lagoon (disclaimer: strong [very strong] language and violent)
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Ghost in the Shell: Arise
Puella Magi Madoka Magica
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (also source of lots of memes)
Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team
Fate/Zero

There's probably more but I don't remember all of them.  If Samurai Jack counts, watch that.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 11, 2017, 04:21:03 pm
Any particular ones I should be looking out for when looking for context to place JAD 2.2 and WoD in?
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Post by: Scotty on April 11, 2017, 04:23:12 pm
Macross.
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Post by: FrikgFeek on April 11, 2017, 04:28:56 pm
WoD is mostly Macross, Gundam, and a bit of Crest of the Stars(muh blue haired space elves).

For Jad 2.2 you pretty much need Neon Genesis Evangelion since JAD 2.2 is basically NGE with Angels replaced by Beta Testers and serious emotional drama replaced by disco music.
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Post by: Mito [PL] on April 11, 2017, 04:41:20 pm
Huh.

So my suggestion: Full Metal Panic. First two series are quite serious, you've got a quite good plot... and mechs. Big ones, and quite a lot of 'em. And FMP Fumoffu -> lmao every time, every episode.
Totally there also is about 60 episodes IIRC.
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Post by: Kobrar44 on April 11, 2017, 05:13:12 pm
You could pretty much start, and end, with '97 Berserk. It aged a bit, but the plot is still strong. Start with episode 2.
Attack on Titan surprisingly has a nice plot progression too, and an interesting setting.
I enjoyed Avatar: the Last Airbender back in the day. Not exactly anime, but you probably haven't seen it either.

You might find those appealing if the typical super over-the-top anime stuff doesn't work for you.
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 11, 2017, 05:44:18 pm
Where should I start?

What genre are you generally interested in, considering your usual media diet?

As a layman, I can second Cowboy Beebob (Sci-Fi/"Western") und Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood (Fantasy, with some early 20th Century influx)...

As a historical fiction, I can also recommend the first two seasons of Rurouni Kenshin (more preciecely the 2nd, the frist is mostly exposition in one form or another & season 3 is all non-conesquential)

Ps. Dont be afraid of commitment to some (good ones are usually an easy watch, even at 40+ episodes) and dont put time into a recommendation that doesn't grip you (Japan has a very competetive TV-landscape when it comes to animation, so they try to get people on board fast - this is also why audience retention via filler exists*)

* note: 3rd hand knowledge but I trust my source
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Post by: Scotty on April 11, 2017, 05:52:33 pm
Attack on Titan surprisingly has a nice plot progression too, and an interesting setting.

Attack on Titan also has a glorified footrace that lasts six episodes.  It's not exactly the posterchild for consistently good pacing (which I find I've come to value more than raw interesting plot).
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 06:08:06 pm
Ignore all of those suggestions and watch Bible Black instead.
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Post by: BlueFlames on April 11, 2017, 06:16:30 pm
Ignore all of those suggestions and watch Bible Black instead.

Watch it with family.  It's fun for all ages!
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Post by: Mongoose on April 11, 2017, 07:00:43 pm
Where should I start?

What genre are you generally interested in, considering your usual media diet?
This is really the way to go.  You're gonna get any of a few hundred "must watch nao!" shows depending on who's talking to you, because like most nerds animu fans love to push their tastes on other people, but at the end of the day anime is a medium that covers pretty much every genre under the sun.  The best way to suggest something you might like is to know what sorts of movies or TV series you're into, because chances are there's probably a good match to them.  If you wind up getting sucked into the weeb world, there's plenty of time then to venture beyond your initial comfort zone.  (Example: turns out a show with the flowery name of "Princess Tutu" is goddamn awesome.)

But yeah, failing all else go with Bebop.  It's pretty much THE gateway drug.
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 07:19:23 pm
Have an overly long chart to make the rest of the thread obsolete (except for my bible black recommendation of course)
Hidden Text: Hidden because its a really large picture • Show
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Enjoy.

But yeah, failing all else go with Bebop.  It's pretty much THE gateway drug.
For americans with nostalgia goggles.  :p

I mean, nothing against Cowboy bebop, its a solid show (good, but not great imho). But over the years I noticed that 9 out of 10 times its americans that recommend Cowboy Bebop because it had an okay dub and aired on american tv a lot back in the day.
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 07:29:15 pm
But my favorite part of saying that Cowboy Bebop is overhyped and is not a 10/10 as most people make it out to be, is the guaranteed angry replies.
Which is why I can never help myself.
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 07:29:43 pm
You people made me this way!
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 07:39:28 pm
Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy.  Yes, the one from the early '80s.
Who the **** recommends this to a first time watcher?

I mean, I love gundam but come on man.
You don't just jump onto whitebase like that.


Quoting my own post on the new page
Have an overly long chart to make the rest of the thread obsolete (except for my bible black recommendation of course)
Hidden Text: Hidden because its a really large picture • Show
(http://i.imgur.com/sDCfaW1.png)
Enjoy.

I just post not because it's easy, but because its hard.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 11, 2017, 07:49:30 pm
For americans with nostalgia goggles.  :p

I mean, nothing against Cowboy bebop, its a solid show (good, but not great imho). But over the years I noticed that 9 out of 10 times its americans that recommend Cowboy Bebop because it had an okay dub and aired on american tv a lot back in the day.
Silly me, I thought it was because it's well-animated, it plays around with a wide range of genres, it's largely episodic and therefore far more accessible to a neophyte viewer than your average heavily-serialized story, its soundtrack is beyond godly, it had an absolute dream-team of staff working on it, and at the end of the day Watanabe has better directorial skills than at least 95% of his peers.  I won't deny that airing on basic cable helped gain it wide exposure, but it more than has the pedigree to back up its reputation.

And that's a pretty decent (and thorough!) flowchart, albeit missing a few all-time classics.  (No Utena?  Boooo.)  The point of movies is one worth nothing though: something that frustrates me a bit about anime fans is that most of them try to push entire series on neophytes, when someone new to the medium will probably be much more willing to sit through a good stand-alone film.  Ghibli's the go-to choice, and you can go with Shinkai or Hosoda depending on your mood, but for my money the late-2000s BONES effort Sword of the Stranger is an absolute must-see.  It's the classic samurai period flick done to near-perfection.

(Perhaps not very popular opinion: people should watch the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation over Brotherhood.)

Edit:

But my favorite part of saying that Cowboy Bebop is overhyped and is not a 10/10 as most people make it out to be, is the guaranteed angry replies.
Which is why I can never help myself.
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 08:02:04 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/owlDY4f.png)
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 08:18:25 pm
But my favorite part of saying that Cowboy Bebop is overhyped and is not a 10/10 as most people make it out to be, is the guaranteed angry replies.
Which is why I can never help myself.
(http://i.imgur.com/yoktrL5.png)
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Post by: Scotty on April 11, 2017, 08:25:27 pm
(Perhaps not very popular opinion: people should watch the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation over Brotherhood.)

My disagreement stems 100% from the twin sources of your use of the word "over" when "alongside" would be perfectly agreeable, and because 2003 FMA has filler, which should be avoided at all cost when trying to show someone good anime.
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Post by: Det. Bullock on April 11, 2017, 08:29:06 pm
Hi!

I have never watched an animé in my life (except Pokémon).
Where should I start?

You don't.

I live in a country where anime is essentially 90% of the cartoons on TV since the seventies (both RAI and the private networks bought them in bulk for cheap and here in Italy the dubbing industry has always been bigger than in other countries) and stopped outirght watching them when I was 9 years old.

I did see a Myiazaki movie once and also Paprika because it came up in a discussion forum (well, also Hellsing Abridged but that's a gag dub), but other than that...

Well, I was forced to watch Dragon Ball and One Piece at lunch for years because my little brothers really liked them and played exactly at that time.

Yeah, living in Italy kinda sucks if you don't like anime.
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Post by: karajorma on April 11, 2017, 08:40:02 pm
I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 08:55:11 pm
I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p
I am the person who does the totally sane comparison of a form of entertainment to a destructive harddrugs.

Sad childhood words
I am the person who has to go out of his way to tell everyone he doesn't like a form of entertainment, despite nobody asking.
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Post by: Spoon on April 11, 2017, 08:56:20 pm
Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 11, 2017, 08:59:16 pm
(Perhaps not very popular opinion: people should watch the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation over Brotherhood.)

My disagreement stems 100% from the twin sources of your use of the word "over" when "alongside" would be perfectly agreeable, and because 2003 FMA has filler, which should be avoided at all cost when trying to show someone good anime.
I could take "alongside" as an acceptable substitute.  Either way, the 2003 series most definitely handles the original manga content better than Brotherhood did, and at least for my money the plot goes in a more interesting direction than Arakawa's original did.  There's also not much of what I'd legitimately call "filler," since that earlier adaptation was intended from the beginning to veer away from the original manga and tell its own story.  I'm not saying that I consider Brotherhood bad or anything, but it just didn't grab me in the same way that the 2003 version did.

I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p
You're not kidding.  A drug habit would be far cheaper than the mounds of DVDs and Blu-rays I've managed to pile up over the years. :D
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Post by: Bobboau on April 11, 2017, 09:03:30 pm
ghost in the shell
Was going to suggest that. start with either the 1995 movie or Stand Alone Complex. They are both a fairly hard scifi about the meaning of humanity in a world where the line between machine and humanity has become extremely blurred.
Note they are completely different stories but sharing the same characters and similar themes. The movie is more condensed and self contained, the show explores these themes with a very rich thoughtful plot relating to corporate/government corruption.

GitS will be my main recommendation to you but I will also endorse:
Cowboy Bebop - ragtag band of bounty hunters come together into something almost like a family, then fall apart as the fail to deal with their pasts as they catch up with them.
Death Note - game of cat and mouse between a supernatural murderer and a brilliant detective. Don't watch season two, season one is the end.
Full metal Alchemist - follow the adventures of two brothers as they seek to undo their horrible mistakes in alternative reality pre-world war 1 (not)magical (not)Germany. bright and cheery art style coupled with realy ****ing dark subjects, like human experimentation and genocide. (will second Mongoose's endorsement of the 2003 version, Brotherhood's pacing is ****)
Trigun - a legendary gunslinger and his pacifist quest, and dealing with the consequences of his failures in that quest. Space western set on a desert planet cut off from the rest of humanity.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 11, 2017, 09:11:24 pm
I was forced to watch Dragon Ball and One Piece at lunch for years

no wonder you hate it, just be thankful you were spared Bleach and Naruto.
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Post by: FrikgFeek on April 11, 2017, 09:11:46 pm
So we've got pointless arguing about something that isn't really important, sniping, and personal attacks. We're just missing posting about posting to make this a 5/7 classic GenDisc thread.


AAANNND we've got it!
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Post by: Bobboau on April 11, 2017, 09:15:35 pm
but I thought it was politics that made GenDisc a sewer :confused:
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Post by: BlueFlames on April 11, 2017, 09:57:16 pm
I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p

Steal your grandmother's Oxycontin to get yourself started.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 12, 2017, 12:12:02 am
Righto, I'm making an executive decision: I'm gonna watch Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Thanks for your help everybody!

I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p

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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 12, 2017, 03:37:06 am
Righto, I'm making an executive decision: I'm gonna watch Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Thanks for your help everybody!

Glad you found something. Glad to have been of service.



Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.

You know what you did wrong (and it's not what you think), right?

(Too much coffee, dear colleague?)



You don't.

[cut the reasoing - note of the Editor]

Sounds like you fell into the same trap I did back in my teens ... because most networks were just interested in filling their lunch-time slots with "kid friendly"-stuff that could reliably fill those slots for years, many networks just get the franchises that retained audiences the longest regardless of the reason why. It's simple economics.

This doesn't make your tastes any less valid; Taste is taste and mine is probabily less healthy than yours anyway :)

But to offer a disenting point of view:

I had the fortune having the Networks like Viva or MTV Germany who would air more niche and shorter fair as part of their midnight programmes - but that didn't keep me from dismissing most anime for years.

But then in my early 20s I got back because a friend of mine went into an artistic profession and she wanted to build me as a conversation partner ('cause her job intersected with one of my main interests), so she subjected me to many of her childhood influences, most of which were french-language comics. Esspecially arists like Moebius got me around to reconsider my bias against comics and animation.

If you apply a bit of knowledge and discerning logic to it you can find something to good in the sea of averageness - anime is there no different than any other media.



I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p

Legal opiods do the same but have lower dosage. If you ever got pain-medication in hospital you already expirenced it - no big wup. :D

(Speaking purely theoretical, both have essentially the same chemical "root)



Where should I start?

What genre are you generally interested in, considering your usual media diet?
This is really the way to go.  You're gonna get any of a few hundred "must watch nao!" shows depending on who's talking to you

Well yes and no...

Who suggests what might be a good piece of information to have, esspeically if you are asking content creators - like Spoon (sorry for singleing you out)-

Some of the people who could concieveably post here also have well documented pet peeves, likes and dislikes, in case of Spoon they are quite obvious through is work. So combing that knowledge with the recommendation could be quite helping. Esspecially in cases when consensus is building from very different people.
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Post by: Hades on April 12, 2017, 05:30:33 am
I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p
I am the person who does the totally sane comparison of a form of entertainment to a destructive harddrugs.
It is honestly a poor comparison. I mean heroin's pretty bad but it's not got anything on the negative effects anime has on people.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 12, 2017, 07:49:08 am
I mean, nothing against Cowboy bebop, its a solid show (good, but not great imho). But over the years I noticed that 9 out of 10 times its americans that recommend Cowboy Bebop because it had an okay dub and aired on american tv a lot back in the day.

Well for a certain generation of anime fans in the States Cratoon Networks Toonami is the most likely point of entry.  Chances are one or more of the following got them hooked:

Cowboy Bebop
Trigun
Outlaw Star
Inuyasha
The Big O
08th MS Team
0080 War in the Pocket
0083 Stardust Memory

While I admit some of those titles are glazed over with nostalgia, Bebop is still cool AF for the reasons Mongoose stated.

Come at me bro :P
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/aada6bc7f21409b05d809686d17b26fc/tumblr_olfnjlstOm1rcufwuo2_540.gif)
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 12, 2017, 07:49:37 am
Karajorma's peer-pressure joke has officially and undeniably "gone" bad.

(I had to stop myself from posting anything else because that would only perpetuate negativity. As much fun as it would have been in some sick form)
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 09:15:04 am
It is honestly a poor comparison. I mean heroin's pretty bad but it's not got anything on the negative effects anime has on people.
It's true, I mean, just look at how you turned out.
All those hours watching naruto and tomino's badly written works are really starting to take their toll on you :(

Come at me bro :P

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Works every time. I mean, I almost literally put a post directly after it saying that its bait. And you turboweebs still bite!  :p
I'm really not interested in having an actual cowboy bebop discussion. Because A. it's been too long since I saw it and don't feel like I can give any objective and insightful opinions about it. B. it's a show that a lot of fans have strong feelings about, and even saying 'I rate 8/10' is enough for them to reply with 'gr8 b8 m8'. It's never conductive for good conversation.

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Who suggests what might be a good piece of information to have, esspeically if you are asking content creators - like Spoon (sorry for singleing you out)-

Some of the people who could concieveably post here also have well documented pet peeves, likes and dislikes, in case of Spoon they are quite obvious through is work. So combing that knowledge with the recommendation could be quite helping. Esspecially in cases when consensus is building from very different people.
It's actually super puzzling to me why you decide to single me out here. I mean, what shows have I actually personally recommended in here? (outside of the 11/10 masterpiece bible black, fun for the entire family.)
You assume, presume, suppose and infer that I am somehow a good example for the point you are trying to make. You say that I have 'well documented' likes and dislikes. Except, I pretty much never actually join anime discussions (and when I do, this thread happens so make of that what you will) and what I draw inspiration from for WoD is a really small sample base from all of the shows I've actually watched (which is around 570ish according to mal). And I dunno man, I enjoyed the **** out of Jojo, Clannad, Pani Poni Dash, Hajime no Ippo, Gundam, Black lagoon, Kaleido star and LoGH just to name a few random shows. Which I think is a pretty diverse selection.
When I actually do try my hand at recommending someone an anime series, I always try to recommend stuff based on what I think someone might end up liking, rather than just listing them my favorite mecha shows. Since I don't really know Joshua, I just gave him that rather helpful chart instead, so he can come up to his own conclusions.

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You know what you did wrong (and it's not what you think), right?
You tell me what I did wrong exactly, my posts were great, amazing and of exceptional quality.

I'll just honestly never understand why people have to go out of their way to tell someone to stop liking something they don't like. Or to have their only contribution to a topic be "I don't like it." I mean, I've probably done my fairshare of it back when I was younger, but then I grew up and realized I was being a jerk for no reason for doing that.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 12, 2017, 09:29:05 am
Works every time. I mean, I almost literally put a post directly after it saying that its bait. And you turboweebs still bite!  :p


I know rite? I can't just let that extra effort go to waste
(https://media.tenor.co/images/c08c4d73e66fac7bd0cfab913b576036/tenor.gif)


we are all just being tongue and cheek right?
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 12, 2017, 09:33:30 am
i hear the avatar the last airbender is a good animes
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Post by: Det. Bullock on April 12, 2017, 09:42:31 am
I have never taken heroin and peer pressure is getting to me please help. :p
I am the person who does the totally sane comparison of a form of entertainment to a destructive harddrugs.
A bit jumpy, huh?
When I went to my comics shop (back when I didn't use Amazon and Bookdepository for my dose) I used to say the owner was my pusher, similar metaphors regarding nerdy stuff are very commonplace.

Sad childhood words
I am the person who has to go out of his way to tell everyone he doesn't like a form of entertainment, despite nobody asking.
Hey, I tried to persuade someone not to give in to peer pressure, can't fault one for trying.  :P

Besides considering "anime" a genre is like considering "animation" a genre, there are about a few light years distance between Howl's Moving Castle and the stupid crap most anime fans seem to be into.
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 10:02:02 am
we are all just being tongue and cheek right?
You seem to be one of the few in the thread that actually seems to get it though.

A bit jumpy, huh?
When I went to my comics shop (back when I didn't use Amazon and Bookdepository for my dose) I used to say the owner was my pusher, similar metaphors regarding nerdy stuff are very commonplace.
You clearly have a different nerd circle which uses a more... exotic vocabulary to describe their hobbies, than I do.
And it's all about the person saying it. For example, I know for a fact that Hades is a dirty weeb (in denial), which gives all of his posts a slightly different context to place things in.

Besides considering "anime" a genre is like considering "animation" a genre, there are about a few light years distance between Howl's Moving Castle and the stupid crap most anime fans seem to be into.
Wow, I stand in awe at your very informed opinion.
(http://i.imgur.com/oOOQZpx.jpg)
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Post by: Turambar on April 12, 2017, 10:18:40 am

Mobile Suit Gundam movie trilogy.  Yes, the one from the early '80s.
Who the **** recommends this to a first time watcher?

I mean, I love gundam but come on man.
You don't just jump onto whitebase like that.




I suppose he could jump on at Gundam: The Origin.  I like the movie trilogy because A) it's the classics and B) it shows people not all anime is about spiky people with their tits hanging out.
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 12, 2017, 10:42:11 am
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Who suggests what might be a good piece of information to have, esspeically if you are asking content creators - like Spoon (sorry for singleing you out)-

Some of the people who could concieveably post here also have well documented pet peeves, likes and dislikes, in case of Spoon they are quite obvious through is work. So combing that knowledge with the recommendation could be quite helping. Esspecially in cases when consensus is building from very different people.
It's actually super puzzling to me why you decide to single me out here. I mean, what shows have I actually personally recommended in here? (outside of the 11/10 masterpiece bible black, fun for the entire family.)
You assume, presume, suppose and infer that I am somehow a good example for the point you are trying to make. You say that I have 'well documented' likes and dislikes.
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what I draw inspiration from for WoD is a really small sample base from all of the shows I've actually watched (which is around 570ish according to mal).

Okay, my argument was badly strucuted - I concede to that...

Singling you out was mostly because you were the first person that came to mind when I looked for a content creator here on HLP whose work was not derivative from FS2 ('cause originality) and who has a public presence (one of your admirable traits is that you keep a public profile and keep your fans in the loop).
There was no ill intend here when I procceeded to talk about that you can generally find works that inspire a content creator when you look at their work closely - even if the exact name of said inspiration escapes you as member of the audience.

I would have stood as my own example if not a) I am not nearly as prolific as you when it comes to released content, b) I don't actually like to maintain a public presence for various reasons and c) any list of my inspirations would lead off topic, esspecially when I reference some obscure **** (e.g. the upcoming The Lost Generation - Ashcroft is inspired by a subgenre of 19th century adventure novels in such a way that tries to mimic a central trope but to without the bull**** patriachical baggae of majority of entries in said subgenre*)

* Whetever or not I accomplished that is one of great insecurities about that story - that's why I took on another writer recently.

When I actually do try my hand at recommending someone an anime series, I always try to recommend stuff based on what I think someone might end up liking, rather than just listing them my favorite mecha shows. Since I don't really know Joshua, I just gave him that rather helpful chart instead, so he can come up to his own conclusions.

I don't dispute your good intentions.

As I was trying to express earlier, a recommendation from someone whose inspiration for his/her own works can be traced to works of the genre (even my a hack like me) can be helpful in a different way. Any recommendation you or I make will be contextualized with what either of us has created by anyone who knows it, giving them a unique apprication for both the inspring and resulting content.

Additionally, "I like what they do, maybe I like what inspired them" is a valid line of going forward. Heck, that's how I arrived at my apprication for 1920-1930 Hollywood's cinematography (you know how got stuff into movies despite the Production Code).

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You know what you did wrong (and it's not what you think), right?
You tell me what I did wrong exactly, my posts were great, amazing and of exceptional quality.

I'll just honestly never understand why people have to go out of their way to tell someone to stop liking something they don't like. Or to have their only contribution to a topic be "I don't like it." I mean, I've probably done my fairshare of it back when I was younger, but then I grew up and realized I was being a jerk for no reason for doing that.

Why do you cut off the next line? - The "too much coffee"-remark was the telling part.

This was more about you getting more frantic and somewhat disruptive to the discussion after you posted your "chart to end all charts". You kinda undermined your own intent to help in my opinion.

(My dislike for double-posts might not be well known - I prefer to edit my posts unless they have been replied to. I know many people do it differently but I prefer to do that way)

The "it's not what you think"-part was in reference to your own post:
Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.

And you just know engaging an obvious non-entry into the discussion by Hades might not turn out to help this discusion escape the looming threat of a self-reinforcing shouting match.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 12, 2017, 10:53:29 am
All of you should be working towards a single minded goal: Feeding me animé.

Everything else is irellevant!
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Post by: X3N0-Life-Form on April 12, 2017, 11:12:26 am
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That's a very nice chart.

Also, I agree that Bebop is overrated. It's still very good, and I would gladly recommend it, but it's not the God-Anime that some people make it out to be ;)

(Perhaps not very popular opinion: people should watch the 2003 Fullmetal Alchemist adaptation over Brotherhood.)
Honestly, I think both versions are very good and deal with similar themes. My one complaint about Brotherhood is that they really rush through the early plotlines that were already covered by the 2003 series.

Overall, while I personally like 2003 slightly more, I would probably recommend Brotherhood first since, A) I think the animation is of higher quality, being more recent & all, B) it's a bit more lighthearted and C) action-wise it's a bit closer from you'd expect from an action series.
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 11:16:32 am
Brotherhood also has the added bonus of actually concluding the story.


I'll keep this response tl;dr because as Joshua rightfully pointed out, this is all irrelevant.
First two large blocks of text
Fair enough.

Why do you cut off the next line? - The "too much coffee"-remark was the telling part.

This was more about you getting more frantic and somewhat disruptive to the discussion after you posted your "chart to end all charts". You kinda undermined your own intent to help in my opinion.

(My dislike for double-posts might not be well known - I prefer to edit my posts unless they have been replied to. I know many people do it differently but I prefer to do that way)

The "it's not what you think"-part was in reference to your own post:
Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.
The thing you are doing here is reading my facetiousness posts and taking them seriously. I triple post when I'm just feeling silly (Blame Battuta, I learned it from watching him)
I knew fullwell what you meant, the fact that I call my own drivel posts 'excellent' should probably have tipped you off somewhat. I apologize that my lighthearted posting caused disruption to this ultra serious thread filled with serious discussion.

And you just know engaging an obvious non-entry into the discussion by Hades might not turn out to help this discusion escape the looming threat of a self-reinforcing shouting match.
Again, you mistake jest for seriousness. Hades and I know each other quite well, this is the only way we know how to communicate.

I suppose he could jump on at Gundam: The Origin.  I like the movie trilogy because A) it's the classics and B) it shows people not all anime is about spiky people with their tits hanging out.
Anime with spiky people with their tits hanging out is objectively the best anime though. I mean, come on.
Tits.



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Post by: Det. Bullock on April 12, 2017, 11:34:51 am
we are all just being tongue and cheek right?
You seem to be one of the few in the thread that actually seems to get it though.

A bit jumpy, huh?
When I went to my comics shop (back when I didn't use Amazon and Bookdepository for my dose) I used to say the owner was my pusher, similar metaphors regarding nerdy stuff are very commonplace.
You clearly have a different nerd circle which uses a more... exotic vocabulary to describe their hobbies, than I do.
And it's all about the person saying it. For example, I know for a fact that Hades is a dirty weeb (in denial), which gives all of his posts a slightly different context to place things in.
Dude, it's not just my circle:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrackIsCheaper
Besides considering "anime" a genre is like considering "animation" a genre, there are about a few light years distance between Howl's Moving Castle and the stupid crap most anime fans seem to be into.
Wow, I stand in awe at your very informed opinion.
(http://i.imgur.com/oOOQZpx.jpg)
I thought I was stating the obvious, here in Italy anime are more or less like superheroes (in the sense they are essentially mainstream), even if you are a weirdo like me that doesn't like them you learn enough about them via pop-cultural osmosis.
Hell, before getting fed up I grew up on heavy doses of "The Rose of Versailles", Fist of The North Star, Saint Seya, Lupin III and that ridiculous cartoon about Japan winning the football world cup more or less like everyone here.
Why do american otakus are so readily offended and passive-aggressive about everything?
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 11:43:36 am
I thought I was stating the obvious, here in Italy anime are more or less like superheroes (in the sense they are essentially mainstream), even if you are a weirdo like me that doesn't like them you learn enough about them via pop-cultural osmosis.
Hell, before getting fed up I grew up on heavy doses of "The Rose of Versailles", Fist of The North Star, Saint Seya, Lupin III and that ridiculous cartoon about Japan winning the football world cup more or less like everyone here.
Why do american otakus are so readily offended and passive-aggressive about everything?

It's a mystery, I'm dutch myself so I wouldn't really know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe rather than wondering why people are being 'passive-aggressive and readily offended' when you tell them their hobbies is crap, you should do some self-reflection and wonder if it's maybe your bad posts that makes people not really want to engage you in a serious matter.
I hope I'm not stating the obvious here.
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Post by: Turambar on April 12, 2017, 11:45:44 am
Gundam Build Fighters season 1 references the Italian popularity of some anime with their character Ricardo Fellini, who enters competitions with a Wing Gundam model. 


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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 11:49:04 am
Gundam Build Fighters season 1 references the Italian popularity of some anime with their character Ricardo Fellini, who enters competitions with a Wing Gundam model.
The absolute finest gunpla commerical I've ever had the pleasure of watching.
Too bad the second season didn't quite reach the heights of the first.
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Post by: Turambar on April 12, 2017, 11:51:39 am
Yeah, the first season has great fights.  The second season is just about spamming your special attacks over and over.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 12, 2017, 11:55:33 am
Josh if you want more recommendations may I ask what you might be interested in? There are a lot of directions things could go in. what are some examples of (not anime) things you have enjoyed?
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Post by: Det. Bullock on April 12, 2017, 12:35:24 pm
I thought I was stating the obvious, here in Italy anime are more or less like superheroes (in the sense they are essentially mainstream), even if you are a weirdo like me that doesn't like them you learn enough about them via pop-cultural osmosis.
Hell, before getting fed up I grew up on heavy doses of "The Rose of Versailles", Fist of The North Star, Saint Seya, Lupin III and that ridiculous cartoon about Japan winning the football world cup more or less like everyone here.
Why do american otakus are so readily offended and passive-aggressive about everything?

It's a mystery, I'm dutch myself so I wouldn't really know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe rather than wondering why people are being 'passive-aggressive and readily offended' when you tell them their hobbies is crap, you should do some self-reflection and wonder if it's maybe your bad posts that makes people not really want to engage you in a serious matter.
I hope I'm not stating the obvious here.
You still acted like you are under the same kind of persecution complex though.
My intention was not to offend, and I apologize for having done so unwittingly but you seem not to conceive that perhaps there are nerd communities that don't take themselves so seriously as to get offended for what was a mere joke about our nerd passions, I mean, we are a community about space pew pew, good grief!
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 12, 2017, 12:35:42 pm
@Joshua:
Gladly so, but as the question just came up again, more data would be nice to help you on your way.

Additionally, would you like a salad on the side?

@Spoon:
So misunderstandings in good faith ... Well, chalk it up to fact that discussion boards on the internet never really became quite the playground to me as they are to other persons of my ethnicity, appearent gender, age, social milieu and access to technology
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Post by: Grizzly on April 12, 2017, 01:12:10 pm
Okay, some random things I like:
Westworld
Person of Interest
Battlestar Galactica
The Last Kingdom
Elementary
Sherlock
Game of Thrones
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Post by: The E on April 12, 2017, 01:38:54 pm
Here are things I would recommend, apart from Ghost in the Shell and Bebop :
1. Samurai Champloo: Two ronin help a girl get revenge in edo Japan. Also, some sweet Japanese rap is involved. It's awesome.
2. One Punch Man: This is what happens after an anime character actually manages to become the strongest fighter in the world. Incredibly well drawn and animated, very funny, and on occasion very poignant indeed.
3. Macross Frontier: Macross is a series that skirts the edges of being very very silly, what with all the jpop-driven space mecha combat, but when it works, it really works. Frontier is probably the best of the bunch (although I have a soft spot for Macross Zero and Delta)
4. Black Lagoon: very, very good action anime about a bunch of mercs running around south-east Asia in a torpedo boat.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 12, 2017, 02:01:34 pm
Sherlock

watch all the anime, all of it, you deserve it
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 02:06:04 pm
Man, there are so many good shows to recommend, just from the things posted in this thread Joshua should have enough material to last him a while. (If all of the DEEP ghost in a shell plot doesn't scare him away for life  :p )
Legend of the galatic heroes (LoGH) has been mentioned before, with all the valid sidenotes regarding the show. Even so, let me add a suggestion to the recommendation; sample the show by watching the first movie first (it's 1 hour long), that takes place a bit before the main show, called "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". If you find that to your taste, then the call to watch all wooping 110 episodes or not is much easier to make. Because imho, LoGH is absolutely worth watching for all of its 110 (+50 something side episodes) duration. But I can also understand that it might not be to everyone's taste.

You still acted like you are under the same kind of persecution complex though.
My intention was not to offend, and I apologize for having done so unwittingly but you seem not to conceive that perhaps there are nerd communities that don't take themselves so seriously as to get offended for what was a mere joke about our nerd passions, I mean, we are a community about space pew pew, good grief!
"All of the anime you watch that is not from studio ghibli is stupid crap" "no no, I didn't meant to offend, I just merely came into this thread to share with everyone how much I dislike a form of entertainment that you enjoy." "Gawd stop getting so offended and being passive aggressive."
No sure, you are totally being reasonable here. And you contribute so much to the topic at hand.
Good grief you are making bad posts. Suggestion for self-reflection: Don't go into threads about hobbies that you don't enjoy for the sole purpose to act like a jerk and tell everyone how much you don't like their hobby. And especially don't tell someone they're being too serious and oversensitive after you literally went out of your way to tell them how much 'idiotic crap' you think their favorite sort of entertainment is.

Because you know why not? It makes you look like a bloody immature wanker is why. And the world would be just a little bit nicer of a place if people could just act less like jerks and apply the 'live and let live' motto to their lifes some more.
Now be on your way and enjoy whatever thing you enjoy being entertained by.

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Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 12, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 12, 2017, 02:22:14 pm
Ah **** I forgot, I am posting in the bad part of hardlight, time to bail.

(http://i.imgur.com/0wxhTyO.gif)
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 02:33:52 pm
No, I must argue with some guy I don't know, on the internet. Don't try to stop me!
(http://i.imgur.com/EePUHpa.gif)
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 12, 2017, 03:35:27 pm
Okay, some random things I like:
Person of Interest

If you are interested in something along the lines PoI's action sequences (esspecially when you think of Root and Shaw*), might I suggest Noir from 2001?

The series follows the contract killers Mireille and Kirika from their meeting under suspicoious cricumstance to uncover what links them together.

EDIT: and its 26 episodes, so rather short time committment

The series is a bit slow at first and has some proudction value difficulties in the beginning (e.g. re-use of shots) but it quickly passes. The action is somewhat slower than PoI and lacks the high-tech angle that defines PoI, but the mystery is engaging and presentation is very interesting (dare I say, cool? I dare to) and appropriately film noir-infused. The soundtrack is very good and memorable, and a particular favorite of mine (just writing this brought it back).

* (note: I've yet to see Season 5 of PoI)
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Post by: Det. Bullock on April 12, 2017, 04:32:51 pm
Man, there are so many good shows to recommend, just from the things posted in this thread Joshua should have enough material to last him a while. (If all of the DEEP ghost in a shell plot doesn't scare him away for life  :p )
Legend of the galatic heroes (LoGH) has been mentioned before, with all the valid sidenotes regarding the show. Even so, let me add a suggestion to the recommendation; sample the show by watching the first movie first (it's 1 hour long), that takes place a bit before the main show, called "My Conquest is the Sea of Stars". If you find that to your taste, then the call to watch all wooping 110 episodes or not is much easier to make. Because imho, LoGH is absolutely worth watching for all of its 110 (+50 something side episodes) duration. But I can also understand that it might not be to everyone's taste.

You still acted like you are under the same kind of persecution complex though.
My intention was not to offend, and I apologize for having done so unwittingly but you seem not to conceive that perhaps there are nerd communities that don't take themselves so seriously as to get offended for what was a mere joke about our nerd passions, I mean, we are a community about space pew pew, good grief!
"All of the anime you watch that is not from studio ghibli is stupid crap" "no no, I didn't meant to offend, I just merely came into this thread to share with everyone how much I dislike a form of entertainment that you enjoy." "Gawd stop getting so offended and being passive aggressive."
No sure, you are totally being reasonable here. And you contribute so much to the topic at hand.
Good grief you are making bad posts. Suggestion for self-reflection: Don't go into threads about hobbies that you don't enjoy for the sole purpose to act like a jerk and tell everyone how much you don't like their hobby. And especially don't tell someone they're being too serious and oversensitive after you literally went out of your way to tell them how much 'idiotic crap' you think their favorite sort of entertainment is.

Because you know why not? It makes you look like a bloody immature wanker is why. And the world would be just a little bit nicer of a place if people could just act less like jerks and apply the 'live and let live' motto to their lifes some more.
Now be on your way and enjoy whatever thing you enjoy being entertained by.
So you are really determined to see everything I say as an insult or twist it into one it seems.
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Post by: Scotty on April 12, 2017, 04:48:26 pm
Det. Bullock there is no need to keep coming back to a thread about something you dislike in order to... I don't know, defend your honor, or something?  I can't see a reason why this conversation is still going.  You guys should probably drop it, so everyone can stop having to watch pointless bickering from either side!
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Post by: Mongoose on April 12, 2017, 05:00:43 pm
Bullock, Spoon, go get a room and watch Urotsukidōji together.  It'll do you both good!

(sidenote Joshua under no circumstances look that up)
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Post by: Spoon on April 12, 2017, 05:04:19 pm
I hope this thread results in Joshua finding anime that he will enjoy watching.

I think that would be a nice outcome.

Bullock, Spoon, go get a room and watch Urotsukidōji together.  It'll do you both good!

(sidenote Joshua under no circumstances look that up)
I had to look it up, I am glad of it.

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Anime director Hideki Takayama took great artistic liberties with the Urotsukidōji story, mixing elements of horror, violence, and sadistic scenes of rape not present in the original work. Maeda himself stated in an issue of Playboy Japan that he found the anime to be repugnant, cruel and sadistic, yet brilliant. He also said he admires Takayama's take on his vision. The anime series is most famous for being the first in the tentacle rape genre, though only one scene in the first OAV actually contains any tentacle rape.

I mean, whats not to like?
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Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 12, 2017, 05:32:52 pm
saw a lot of mentions of the 1995 Ghost in the Shell movie and not one mention of its 2004 sequel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_2:_Innocence) which is one of my favourite movies of all time.

(http://i.imgur.com/0wxhTyO.gif)
Jin-Roh (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin-Roh:_The_Wolf_Brigade) is also a fantastic movie; just, uh, don't go in expecting a happy ending.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 12, 2017, 05:33:05 pm
Okay, some random things I like:
Westworld
Person of Interest
Battlestar Galactica
The Last Kingdom
Elementary
Sherlock
Game of Thrones

From the little I know about such TV luminaries, Ghost in the Shell should be pretty much right in your Westworld wheelhouse.  The already-mentioned Trigun is a classic if you're looking for the Western side of things.  Something I haven't seen recommended yet that might scratch a Game of Thrones itch would be The Twelve Kingdoms: it starts with something of a standard "girl sucked into mystical fantasy world" premise, but overall it fits in the high-fantasy mold and delves into the politics of its setting pretty heavily. (The very good Escaflowne has a similar setup, only it adds in romance and magic and giant robots and catgirls and all sorts of other fun stuff.  Killer soundtrack too.)  Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit is another great fantasy title by the same director as the GITS: Stand-Alone Complex series.

And on the crime/psychological side of things, there's absolutely no higher recommendation I can give you than Monster.  It's the story of a brilliant Japanese brain surgeon practicing in Germany whose decision to save a young gunshot victim's life comes back to haunt him in unimaginable ways.  It spends a lot of time exploring the age-old question of what drives someone to become evil, and its main villain is one of the creepiest mother****ers I've ever seen despite almost never needing to lift a finger himself.  It's a bit of a long haul at 74 episodes, but boy does it suck  you in.

saw a lot of mentions of the 1995 Ghost in the Shell movie and not one mention of its 2004 sequel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_2:_Innocence) which is one of my favourite movies of all time.
Isn't that one mostly 90 minutes of Batou and Togusa quoting philosophy at each other, with a few sad Basset hounds?
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Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 12, 2017, 05:54:34 pm
saw a lot of mentions of the 1995 Ghost in the Shell movie and not one mention of its 2004 sequel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_2:_Innocence) which is one of my favourite movies of all time.
Isn't that one mostly 90 minutes of Batou and Togusa quoting philosophy at each other, with a few sad Basset hounds?
Only if you weren't paying attention, and also didn't notice any of the gorgeous set pieces.
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Post by: Scotty on April 12, 2017, 06:52:57 pm
Psycho-Pass is also great in terms of crime/psych.  Heavy shades of Minority Report.  Relatively new, gorgeous, good pacing, not terribly long (26 episodes for the first season, which is the best).
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Post by: Mongoose on April 12, 2017, 07:10:17 pm
saw a lot of mentions of the 1995 Ghost in the Shell movie and not one mention of its 2004 sequel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell_2:_Innocence) which is one of my favourite movies of all time.
Isn't that one mostly 90 minutes of Batou and Togusa quoting philosophy at each other, with a few sad Basset hounds?
Only if you weren't paying attention, and also didn't notice any of the gorgeous set pieces.
To be perfectly honest I've never seen it myself, but most fans of the franchise I know weren't particularly keen on it.  Plus I greatly prefer the Stand-Alone Complex series to Oshii's original film, so I'm not sure how much I'd dig him cranking the Oshii-ness up to another level.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 13, 2017, 12:54:46 am
(sidenote Joshua under no circumstances look that up)

It can't be worse then Blood-C can it?
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Post by: The E on April 13, 2017, 02:30:50 am
To be perfectly honest I've never seen it myself, but most fans of the franchise I know weren't particularly keen on it.  Plus I greatly prefer the Stand-Alone Complex series to Oshii's original film, so I'm not sure how much I'd dig him cranking the Oshii-ness up to another level.

I'm not much of a fan of it either. Taken on its own, its still pretty good (albeit a bit too meditative for my tastes), but it's very much a departure from what the first movie and SAC have established the franchise to be and what to expect from it.
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Post by: Grizzly on April 13, 2017, 06:16:13 am
Currently watching Stand Aloen Complex.

Ooh, now I know where that Neotokyo mod got it's inspirations from.

Oooooh it's a Lancia Stratos!
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Post by: dukka on April 13, 2017, 12:15:24 pm
Both seasons and the movie for SAC are mucho good, the end.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 13, 2017, 01:40:41 pm
yeah, when ever those drums start going you know **** is going the **** down.
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Post by: Col.Hornet on April 13, 2017, 05:09:31 pm
I have very limited contact with anime and I'm going to keep it that way (though I like to lurk the Deviantart from time to time looking at some quality manga-style stuff). One of the very few things I watched except Pokemon as a little kid was "Berserk". Damn me, it was worth every minute spent :)
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 13, 2017, 06:40:44 pm
Enjoyment of Game of Thrones should translate into Berserk being up your alley, the original 97 series and the The Golden Age Arc films from 2013 are both pretty solid. 

Unfortunately the new 2016-17 series is CGI garbage and animated terribly, which borders on crime considering how amazing the manga artwork from Kentaro Miura is:

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120264/3264480-berserk+guts+cleaving+trolls.jpg)

Berserk really should be produced by someone like Mad House or Bones to be done justice.

If you like Mamoru Oshii's Ghost in the Shell films, then Jin Roh:The Wolf Brigade and Sky Crawlers are definitely worth a watch.  Just note both are slow paced story driven films punctuated with fantastic action sequences not the other way round.

(https://images.gogoanime.tv/images/anime/J/Jin-Roh.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/t4Ct7ey.gif)
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Post by: Scotty on April 13, 2017, 10:19:32 pm
"Slow paced" is a massive understatement when it comes to Sky Crawlers.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 14, 2017, 12:04:56 am
One warning about Berserk: don't get into it unless you're prepared to hate yourself, and/or have several stiff drinks at hand.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 14, 2017, 07:48:39 am
Berserk

is a manga which is beyond fantastic, unfortunately it has never had an anime adaption that was not an insult. the 97 one was ok, but the manga is legendary. and this thread was about anime, not manga.
If I were to suggest a studio for Berserk I would go with Production IG, I love Bones and Mad House, but Production IG had a lot more experience with somber mature material and they feel like a better fit than the more colorful and energetic studios.

I also have a feeling Josh would not be able to get past the rampant and gratuitous sexuality/rape ingrained in and central to it. I mean this is the manga that gave us Rape Horse.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 14, 2017, 08:57:47 am
Aside from the conclusion I don't recall that the Golden Age Arcs stray too far from anything that Game of Thrones hasn't covered?
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Post by: Bobboau on April 14, 2017, 10:43:24 am
It's extremely graphic rape every other page, Griphith is the only major character I don't think has been raped or damn near.
The very first page starts with the main character having sex with someone that ends with him blowing her hear off with a mini-cannon.
This is not the end of the scene it is in:
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/914/950/c09.png)


...you might be right.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 14, 2017, 10:59:30 am
I really would love to know just what sort of ****ed-up childhood produced Kentaro Miura.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 14, 2017, 11:05:47 am
Fun Fact: He started writing Berserk when he was 20, 30 years ago. so he was just barely out of his childhood when he started.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 14, 2017, 12:38:42 pm
It's extremely graphic rape every other page, Griphith is the only major character I don't think has been raped or damn near.
The very first page starts with the main character having sex with someone that ends with him blowing her hear off with a mini-cannon.

The 2013 films and the 97 series follow the Golden Age/Band of the Hawk Arcs right?  I don't recall things getting too weird, ie deviating beyond medieval norms, until post Eclipse? 
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Post by: Gortef on April 14, 2017, 01:20:30 pm
Jungle wa itsumo Hare nochi Guu

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd84/Afroman137/Guulaugh.gif)
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Post by: 0rph3u5 on April 14, 2017, 01:22:51 pm
don't go in expecting a happy ending.

...uhm, a happy ending is not required for a story, or a good one. What is required is a well-made ending - not a happy one, a conclusive one or a consistent one.
Granted you shouldn't ditch constiency or a conclusion unless you are godlike story-teller but that conventions are neither monolithic, unyielding or desevering of undying feality is good thing to keep in mind.



Re: Berzerk-discussion

If you have to add some many caveats to the recommendation, doesn't it make it a bad recommendation for someone at the entry level?

I don't have to make it taboo but it is a bit of dive into the deep end, isn't it?
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Post by: Grizzly on April 14, 2017, 01:37:48 pm
I'm already watching GITS so y'all can turn this into a discussion about rad animé.

I mean, this forum needs more people talking about rad stuff anyway.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 14, 2017, 08:00:07 pm
it is a bit of dive into the deep end, isn't it?

more than just a little bit.

Especially if you know who you are making a recommendation for, and you know they have a problem with what they would call misogyny (and that variety of thing).
I mean I love Panty & Stocking with Garter Belt, but I don't think that would be his sort of thing, and I was trying to actually be helpful. When you make a recommendation you have to think about who you are making it for, not just what you have liked.
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Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 15, 2017, 12:14:31 am
don't go in expecting a happy ending.
...uhm, a happy ending is not required for a story, or a good one.
...Did anyone claim otherwise? I literally said it was "a fantastic movie" in the part immediately before the part you quoted.
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Post by: Torchwood on April 15, 2017, 02:49:47 pm
I really would love to know just what sort of ****ed-up childhood produced Kentaro Miura.

He has some very diverse interests. Not some time ago, he got hooked on Idolmaster of all things, if you can believe that.
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Post by: Mongoose on April 15, 2017, 08:54:06 pm
Yeah I've seen that running gag for years now.  "Welp, new Idolmaster game, no more new Berserk chapters for the next year!"
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Post by: RangerKarl on April 17, 2017, 06:46:02 am
Op go watch Your Name, it's a good start for people new to the medium. Then jump back two decades and watch Macross Plus (both the OVA and Movie editions, they have scenes exclusive to each other). Then sit in /a/ and brawl it out with neoweebs, that'll get you some fighting cred.
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Post by: Luis Dias on April 18, 2017, 12:54:59 pm
Barely know any, building my own knowledge of animé myself, but so far, I can only reinforce some of the already suggested. Most anime is ****, but there's a few gems that are not only worth watching, they are true pieces of art that you won't experience in any other format.

Cowboy Bebop - don't listen to Scotty's trolling. The "assured" responses he gets for downplaying it have a really damned good reason. CB is by far one of the pearls of animé.

Death Note -  has a tremendously good first season. The concept is simple and strong, the execution of it is really great. The second had a wrong arc written into it, for shame.

Re:Zero - Very good. Watch it. Like Bebop, it is incredibly focused and there's no filler. Great concept, even better execution.

One Punch Man - What The_E said. The art is insanely good, and the concept is genius. It's basically parodying Dragon Ball Z in the finest possible way. Heart, cynicism, self-awareness and ennui.

GITS is so cliché. Reminds me of Romeo and Juliet. May have something to do with how everything copied from it from then on ;).

There are others, but I refrain.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 18, 2017, 01:00:26 pm
Cowboy Bebop - don't listen to Scotty's trolling. The "assured" responses he gets for downplaying it have a really damned good reason. CB is by far one of the pearls of animé.

I don't think it was Scotty...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/bzYWSUY3lu6c0/giphy.gif)
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Post by: hirmuolio on April 18, 2017, 01:42:37 pm
Are we still posting our favorites recommendations?

Texhnolyze - Dark scifi in underground city run by criminals. Some say you shouldn't recommend this to beginning anime watchers but I don't think watching anime does much to prepare you for this. There is not much dialogue and the story seems to move slowly (this is only an illusion from lack of dialogue, the story goes good speed). Don't expect any happines here, enjoy the suffering. 24 episodes.

Serial Experiments lain - Somewhat confusing story of Lain. Science fiction. I don't know what to say about it as it is better to know as little as possible and be confused when watching. I totally recommend this. 13 episodes.

Garden of Sinners - Fantasy story in modern times told in achronological order which adds extra layer of confusion. Is good. 8 movies. Don't be afraid of the length, think of them as extra long episodes.
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Post by: Scotty on April 18, 2017, 09:43:58 pm
Cowboy Bebop - don't listen to Scotty's trolling. The "assured" responses he gets for downplaying it have a really damned good reason. CB is by far one of the pearls of animé.

Luis why won't you love me :(
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Post by: Luis Dias on April 19, 2017, 03:26:42 am
See, this is the problem with this avatar pestilence, I'm already confusing people! Of course I meant Spoon!

And Scotty of course I love you. No marriage thou, I'm taken.
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Post by: FrikgFeek on April 19, 2017, 04:13:27 am
I also often confuse blue-eyed anime space elves with BattleTech Uziels. I mean, they're just so much alike!
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Post by: Luis Dias on April 19, 2017, 04:24:39 am
I blame my faults on whomever or whatever I please!
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Post by: Scourge of Ages on April 20, 2017, 08:02:55 pm
Jungle wa itsumo Hare nochi Guu

(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd84/Afroman137/Guulaugh.gif)

Yussssssssss.

Though it sort of defines the "Absurd Comedy" genre, as I've come to call it. Which is a lot of fun.

I would also add to suggestions:
Robotics: Notes
Erased


EDIT the 2nd:
I'd just like to acknowledge this, I don't think it got the attention it needed:
i hear the avatar the last airbender is a good animes

I agree completely! It's not Japanese, but it's still very good! And you don't need to worry about dodgy dubs, since it was written in English and used native English speakers!
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 24, 2017, 08:09:59 pm
I just want it to be known that One Punch Man has the PH seal of approval as the only good anime and also as the funniest **** I've watched in ages
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Post by: karajorma on April 24, 2017, 10:24:52 pm
Yeah, One Punch Man should have only been able to last for an episode or two before it fell victim to its own premise. If he can beat any enemy with only one punch, how do you manage to keep any dramatic tension? The fact that having watched the whole thing I can't wait for more just goes to show how well done it is.
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Post by: StarSlayer on April 24, 2017, 10:42:18 pm
Yeah, One Punch Man should have only been able to last for an episode or two before it fell victim to its own premise. If he can beat any enemy with only one punch, how do you manage to keep any dramatic tension? The fact that having watched the whole thing I can't wait for more just goes to show how well done it is.

As someone who has read the web comic and manga it just keeps on being awesome.   

Also if y'all enjoy OPM check out Mob Psycho 100, its by the same author and has a lot of the same humor and trope flipping.  Reigen sensei alone makes it worth watching.

(http://pa1.narvii.com/6252/a9ff89b98d9c54df5b8dbce6559c4c6c979fc9af_hq.gif)

Plus there are a ton of OPM Easter eggs.
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Post by: JGZinv on April 24, 2017, 10:54:40 pm
I almost don't feel like jumping into the thread soup, but as the founder of a major anime group....  *breaks out boots*

Here's what I would call some "Staples of Anime" or "some things after you watch, you can probably find someone in most any anime group that has also watched or can comment on."

Standalone Movies:
Castle In The Sky (dub)
Gun Buster OVA (sub) + Dai Buster OVA (dub)
Howl's Moving Castle
Lupin III: The Castle Of Cagliostro (dub)
Macross Plus (dub)
Nausicaä Of The Valley Of The Wind (dub)
Paprika
Princess Mononoke (dub)
Spirted Away (dub)
Summer Wars (sub)
The Place Promised In Our Early Days (dub)
The Wind Rises


Series:
.Hack/SIGN
Ah! My Goddess + Movie and Sequels (sub preferably, dub ok, OVA is related but it's own thing)
Baccano
Black Lagoon
Blue Submarine No.6 (dub)
Boogiepop Phantom (dub)
Chobits
Clannad
Cowboy Bebop + Movie (dub)
Dragon Ball
Durarara!!
Eden of the East
El Hazard
Eureka 7 (dub) (also note this series takes 23 episodes to get moving, but it does end amazingly)
Fist Of The North Star
FLCL (dub)
Full Metal Panic + Sequels and Spin Off Series Fumoffu (dub)
Galaxy Express 999 (dub)
G Gundam (dub)
Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex + 2nd Gig + Solid State Society Movie(dub)
Gundam: 0080 (dub)
Gundam: 0083 (dub)
Gundam: 8th Ms Team (dub)
Gundam Wing + Endless Waltz Movie (dub)
High School Rumble (sub preferably)
Irresponsible Captain Tyler the TV
Last Exile (dub)
Love Hina + the Christmas Movie
Lupin III: Season 2 (dub)
Macross + Many Sequels and Movies
Madoka Magika
Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi
Neon Genesis Evangelion (dub)
One Punch Man
Outlaw Star (most will remember the Toonami version, uncut is rather different)
Pani Poni Dash (or Lucky Star)
Read or Die Movie + TV series
Rideback
Rurouni Kenshin + (prequel movie Samurai X) (dub)
Sailor Moon
Serial Experiments Lain (dub)
Silent Mobius
Space Dandy
Star Blazers aka Space Battleship Yamato
Stein's;Gate  + OVA + Deja Vu Movie (this is a series that many drop prior to ep 12, it does a lot of world building to get to activate the plot)
Tenchi Muyo OVA 1 + 2
Tenchi Universe + TMiL and Tenchi Forever
The Big O (dub)
The Tower of Druaga S1 & S2
The Galaxy Railways (dub)
Trigun (dub)
X'amd Lost Memories
Yu Yu Hakusho


Stuff coming out of the current season that may be worth a shot:
Re:Creators
Quan Zhi Gao Shou  (actually Chinese animation, alternative title:  SAO 35: Chinese Kirito gets fired and holes up in a netcafe.)
Little Witch Academia  (continuing from last season)
Seikaisuru Kado
Alice to Zouroku

Terminology:

Manga - Japanese comics, naturally in reversed reading order from English (flipped), tend to be thicker and image heavy.
Anime - Japanese produced animation. Koreans and Chinese have been doing work for the Japanese for years and their own studios are starting to take off. In Japan this term refers to any form of animation. Outside of Japan it refers specifically to Japanese animation, and thus is synonymous with the term “Japanimation.”
Manhwa - South Korean comics similar to manga

Even More Terminology!

AMVs: Anime music videos. These are generally amateur blendings of anime clips with unrelated songs. Some are done seriously, while others are gleeful parodies. They are a popular feature at anime conventions.

baka: A term commonly heard while watching subtitled anime, it translates variously as “stupid,” “fool,” or “idiot.”

bento: A traditional Japanese boxed lunch.

bishojo/bishoujo: A “pretty girl.”

bishonen: A “pretty boy.”

chibi: In Japan this term means “small” or “undersized” and is often interpreted as “runt” or “puny.” In the American fan community it has lost its negative connotation and refers to characters that are cute and either tiny or superdeformed.

cosplay: Short for “costume play,” this term refers to the practice of anime fans dressing up as their favorite anime characters and acting out either scenes from the anime or original situations involving the characters. A staple feature of anime conventions on both sides of the Pacific.

dating sim: Short for “dating simulation,” it’s a popular type of interactive first-person computer game in Japan (but virtually unknown in North America beyond the anime fan community) which involves the main character trying to hook up with one or more of a variety of possible romantic interests. Dating sims typically feature multiple possible endings and little or no animation, but sometimes have hidden characters. They are common source material for anime series and sometimes pop up in anime; Gene Starwind in Outlaw Star and Il Palazzo in Excel Saga have both been seen playing them, for instance.

dojinshi/doujinshi: Fan-produced fiction using characters from a popular manga or anime series. Selling it is technically illegal under Japanese copyright laws, although an underground market for it is tolerated as a promotional tool. It is hugely popular in Japan (especially amongst female fans) but has not caught on much in the States.

ecchi (pronounced eh-chee): Means “perverted,” but it has milder connotations than hentai. Ecchi content would be roughly equivalent to a Playboy pictorial by American standards.

ero game/hentai game: An erotic adults-only version of a dating sim where the focus is on having sex with one or more potential candidates. These games usually feature very explicit visuals and can explore very dark themes. (Bondage or some degree of S&M content is common, and games based on rape are not unknown.)
 
fanboy/fangirl: A generally uncomplimentary reference to an obsessive anime fan in the States. Roughly equivalent to “Trekkie.”

fan service: Although most commonly interpreted to mean nudity or shots of a women’s figure or undergarments that are purely gratuitous, “fan service” can also refer to any elements put into an anime or manga for no other reason than to be fan-pleasing.

fansub: Anime that has been subtitled by an amateur individual or group, usually because professional subtitling and/or dubbing hasn’t been done yet. Most anime releases are available in the U.S. in fansub form months or even years before a professional job is done (if it ever is), often within a week or two of the airing of each individual episode on Japanese TV. They once were mostly seen at conventions and in college anime groups, but distribution over the Internet via YouTube, IRC, or p2p resources like BitTorrent has become the common practice in the 2000s. Parody fansubs of popular titles also do exist. Though fansubs violate copyright laws, they are usually (but not always) tolerated as a means of promoting interest in a title prior to its official translation and release, provided that they are not sold and cease when a title gets officially licensed. Many (but not all) Internet sites that allow downloading or file-swapping of fansubs will pull titles from circulation once they have officially been licensed for U.S. distribution.

graphic novel (GN): Several issues of comic books or manga collected into a single book-like format, or (less commonly) an original story or novel adaptation presented in a comic book format that is bound in book form. Manga graphic novels are usually the size of an extra-wide paperback novel

harem series: A popular subgenre of romantic comedy which centers on a single boy/young man surrounded by a bevy of young beauties who cohabitate with him. These series usually take on one of two basic forms: either the male lead is romantically attached to one of the beauties but is tempted by others, or the male lead is indecisive and most of the female characters are vying for his attention. Typically the male lead is a kind and gentle soul while most of the female characters are some combination of more powerful, aggressive, and/or capable.

hentai: Literally translating as “perverted,” when used in reference to an anime type it refers to adults-only anime distinguished by explicit sexual content. Most hentai would be considered porn by American standards. Be forewarned that some hentai titles go to great extremes; rape scenes, S&M content, and “tentacle monsters” (think about it) are not uncommon, for instance.

hikikomori: An extreme antisocial phenomenon in Japan (though it has parallels in other postindustrial countries) which involves individuals completely withdrawing from work, school, family, and society in general and holing up in their rooms, often spending all their time playing games, reading manga, watching anime, and/or surfing the Web. It has recently appeared in several anime and manga, among them Hayate the Combat Butler and Welcome to the NHK!


honorifics: The English language uses titles – Mr., Mrs., Lord, Sir, etc. – in front of names in formal situations. Honorifics in Japanese, which are tagged on to the end of a name, serve a similar purpose but are also used to denote the level of formality and familiarity which a speaker is using in addressing the named person. Failure to use an honorific is either a show of contempt for the subject or a sign of intimate familiarity with the subject – which can, of course, be just as insulting if used improperly. Honorifics have traditionally either disappeared or been replaced by English equivalents during professional translations, but lately their partial or complete retention in both subtitling and English dubs has become more common.

      Honorifics often heard in anime include:

      -chan: Expresses intimacy and/or affection for a close friend or relative, especially a female one. May also be used toward a child or pet.

      -dono: Honorable, often translated as “Sir” or “Lord.” This is an archaic term not used much in regular conversation.

      -kun: Used in addressing male colleagues or students. (May be used for women, but this is not common.)

      -nii/nee: Big brother/big sister

      -sama:  Mr., Mrs., etc. Used in the most formal or respectful sense. Not commonly used in regular conversion.

      -san: Mr., Mrs., etc. Used in cases where the subject is of roughly equal social standing and formality is preferred (such as when greeting a stranger).

      -senpai: Senior, elder, or upperclassmen. Used in cases where the subject is a superior within the same social class.

      -sensei: Teacher

josei: A category of manga (and anime) aimed at older (18+) female readers and usually featuring adult female characters. Tends to emphasize everyday experiences and realistic (rather than idealistic) romance. It is also sometimes used within anime and manga to refer to a sexual preference for older women.

kana: The phonetic version of written Japanese. Divided into two types: hiragana, which is used to modify kanji and write Japanese and Chinese-borrowed words phonetically, and katakana, which is most commonly used to write words and names borrowed from languages other than Chinese but can also be used for particular emphasis (roughly equivalent to putting a word in italics or bold print in English). Both use 46 basic characters which can be combined to represent one hundred different syllables.

kanji: Chinese characters that compose one of the three basic scripts used for written Japanese (hiragana and katakana being the other two). Kanji characters represent either an entire word or the stem of a word depending on usage. Though the symbols are more complex and not conducive to phonetic writing (and hence to being used for words borrowed from non-Chinese languages), their meaning is often more clear than the phonetically-written versions of the same word - an important consideration in a language heavily prone to homonyms.

kawaii: Along with baka, this is one of the most recognizable words in the original Japanese vocal tracks for American fans who don’t speak Japanese. It translates as “it’s so cute” and is often said by female characters with great emphasis.

lolicon: An English transliteration of the Japanese abbreviation for “Lolita Complex.” It refers to sexual/erotic imagery of underage girls (or those who look underage) in anime/manga.

mahou shojo/magical girl: The latter is just the English translation of the former. Both refer to a genre targeted at teen and preteen girls. Such titles always feature one or more (generally middle school-aged) girls who can transform into alter egos capable of working powerful magic. Elaborate transformation scenes, typically replayed at least once each episode, and massive cutesiness are hallmarks of the genre.

mecha: A genre of anime that prominently incorporates giant robots and/or combat suits. Can also refer to the robots/combat suits themselves.
 
moe or moé: A characteristic of female anime/manga characters which inspires a protective and/or loving response from the audience. (Note that helplessness is not a prerequisite, as some very powerful girls, such as Chise from Saikano, can also be considered moe.) Most commonly such characters are either physically or mentally young (i.e. naïve or innocent in outlook) and have some obvious sympathetic weakness that they strive to correct. Moe is implicitly non-sexual in connotation (unlike lolicon) but is sometimes sexualized after the fact.

omake: Bonus animation included on a videotape or DVD; a close American equivalent would be the animated shorts once commonly used to front movies. This bonus animation often features superdeformed characters.

 otaku: A dedicated fan. In Japan this term implies unhealthy obsessiveness with some hobby, while in the U.S. it carries no pejorative connotation and hence is used proudly by anime fans.

OVA/OAV: Original Video Animation, aka straight‑to‑video. Sometimes these productions are standalone series, other times they are used to test the market to see if the story is popular enough to warrant a TV series. They are also sometimes used to round out a TV series by providing “bonus” episodes containing content which, due to time constraints or its graphic nature, could not be aired on TV.

OST: Original Soundtrack.

reverse harem series: A variation on the standard harem series which involves one girl cohabitating with several handsome guys, some or all of whom are potential romantic interests. Fruits Basket is probably the best-known example, but there are others.

romanization: Translation of Japanese writing into an alphabet system.

romaji: Japanese written with a European-based alphabet.

ronin: Traditionally this term refers to a masterless samurai. In recent times it has also come to refer to college-age students who are attending cram schools because they have not yet passed college entrance exams.

seinen: A category of manga (and anime) targeted at adult males. Can include pornographic titles but does not automatically have such content. Equivalent to Adult or Mature Audiences titles in the States.

seiyuu: A Japanese voice actor.

senpai (sometimes also spelled sempai): A title given to an upperclassman or other figure senior to the speaker.

shojo/shuojo: Technically this refers only to anime based on manga from girls’ magazines. It is more commonly interpreted in the U.S. as referring to anime and manga specifically targeted at girls.

shojo ai: Literally translates as “girl love” and refers to stories about girl-girl couples that stress romantic (rather than erotic) elements. It is nowhere near as commonly-used as shonen ai or yuri and is rare to find in the States.

 shonen ai/shuonen ai: Literally translates as “boy love” and refers to stories about male couples. Although its use is out of fashion in Japan, it is generally used in the U.S. to refer to stories about male homosexual relationships that stress romantic (rather than erotic) elements.

superdeformed (SD): A miniaturized and caricatured rendition of an anime character. Most commonly seen in omake and comedy anime. There is no parallel in American animation.

tsundere: A personality that is initially combative but becomes loving and emotionally vulnerable. The classic example is Asuka Langley Soryu of Neon Genesis Evangelion.

visual novel: A semi-interactive Japanese computer “game” which tells a story through still visuals and text flashed across the bottom of the screen. Unlike dating sims, they offer minimal choices that usually have little impact on the story. Some have been known to be adapted into anime.

yaoi (pronounced yah-oy): An acronym for a Japanese phrase that provides an uncomplimentary view on gay relationships, this term can refer either to stories involving male homosexual relationships or to fan art and stories pairing male characters from popular series. In the U.S. the term carries more homoerotic connotations.

yuri: The Japanese word for “lily flower,” the term traditionally refers to stories about lesbian relationships written by men for men (although they are also seen in manga targeted at women). In the U.S. the term generally refers to erotic stories featuring lesbians.



Here's a random anime history 101 as to how it all got started around 1907.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XlS6CYVNy0


Questions?
Title: Re: I have no knowledge about animé and peer pressure is getting to me please help.
Post by: karajorma on April 25, 2017, 01:53:37 am
Also if y'all enjoy OPM check out Mob Psycho 100, its by the same author and has a lot of the same humor and trope flipping.  Reigen sensei alone makes it worth watching.

Yeah. I've heard Mob Psycho 100 mentioned as being something any OPM fan should like. I'll have to give it a try.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 25, 2017, 06:08:28 am
Yeah, One Punch Man should have only been able to last for an episode or two before it fell victim to its own premise. If he can beat any enemy with only one punch, how do you manage to keep any dramatic tension? The fact that having watched the whole thing I can't wait for more just goes to show how well done it is.

Yeah, 1PM sounds like it'd be heavily reliant on the premise from a summary description of the show, but the reality is that it's also just a really well-made work of comedy. The pacing and setup of the jokes is absolutely top-notch and they really help carry every moment of the show into something worth watching.
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Post by: Bobboau on April 25, 2017, 02:56:33 pm
Yeah. I've heard Mob Psycho 100 mentioned as being something any OPM fan should like. I'll have to give it a try.
I will warn you it took me more than one episode to get into, but that's partly because it takes multiple episodes to set up some of it's jokes.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 08, 2017, 06:50:52 am
But yeah, failing all else go with Bebop.  It's pretty much THE gateway drug.
For americans with nostalgia goggles.  :p

I mean, nothing against Cowboy bebop, its a solid show (good, but not great imho). But over the years I noticed that 9 out of 10 times its americans that recommend Cowboy Bebop because it had an okay dub and aired on american tv a lot back in the day.


i just wanna say that this is the wrongest post on this forum that wasn't authored by dragon
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Post by: Hades on May 13, 2017, 10:32:33 am
Not gonna lie, I gotta agree with Phoover on this one plus being as wrong as Dragon is impressive.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2017, 10:39:38 am
i've now seen a few people around here say cowboy bebop is 'good but not great' and i have no idea why, it's stylish, moving and has great thematic focus, what more could you want??
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Post by: Scotty on May 13, 2017, 01:12:52 pm
Post-90s animation budgets.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2017, 02:14:49 pm
That's like saying Half Life 2 needs modern graphics. You can make really fantastic work within production constraints.
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Post by: Scotty on May 13, 2017, 02:33:57 pm
The question was "What more could you want", and that's what more I want from it. :P  Half Life 2 would probably be higher on my list of recommendations if it had modern graphics.  It's still, but it could be higher.
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Post by: Mongoose on May 13, 2017, 03:37:53 pm
Post-90s animation budgets.
Bebop has better technical animation than the vast majority of what comes out on a seasonal basis.  Plus hand-painted cels were awesome.
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Post by: Phantom Hoover on May 13, 2017, 04:24:28 pm
the fight scene with spike vs asimov in ep 1 did a substantial job on selling me on the series, it looks incredible and jives really well with the soundtrack