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If one were suitably morbidly inclined, that seems far more like an endorsement of communist efficiency than anything else. :p

 

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Capitalism also leads to rich people hiring or colluding with mafia thugs so they could kill trade unionists because they want to keep wages low and keep the politicians in their pocket.

Contract killing, organized crime, and pay-for-play are illegal in the Western world, and one of the worst crimes against organized labor is memorialized as one of the most widely-celebrated, pro-labor holidays in the West.  Operation Priboi, Holodomor, and Katyn were carried out at the behest of the state.
What you called "contract killing" has been largely tolerated in the more shamelessly capitalistic societies for generations, communism originally was born because of the excesses of capitalism, never forget that like some complete asshole of a king did when he put Mussolini in power because was afraid of workers unionizing.

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yes please do tell us all about how communism is to blame for poverty and repression but capitalism isn't to blame for poverty or repression i am very interested in knowing

Well, in terms of systems that butchered members of my family and sent others to secret prisons to die, the score is currently Communism - 1, Capitalism - 0.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

You'll find that's usually a feature of ruthless authoritarian governments more than one of ideology.

I don't recall saying other ideologies weren't capable of human rights abuses and authoritarianism. 

I'm also having a hard time finding a mass killing committed by a Communist Party with around 2300 victims--the number of people killed by Pinochet.  Not for any lack of atrocities, but for having body counts that low.  The lowest I can think of is Katyn, and that was still ten times as many people.
You miss the point.  It isn't ideology which is responsible for those massacres.  Stalin didn't kill millions because of ~communism~, he did it to industrialize his country and didn't give a damn about how many would die to do it, or he did it out of paranoia.  Similarly, Hitler (I hate to say "lol Hitler", but it's actually relevant) didn't kill millions for capitalism or out of fear of communism, but merely to secure his power (and the whole master race thing).  Dictators tend to treat their people and their enemies the same way.  Ideology only tends to determine who those enemies are.
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Similarly, authoritarianism is not a conatruct of Communist in ideology, just a way Communist in name only nations panned out in practice.

Communism in theory positia decentralized democratic governance, not central authoritarian rule.

Capitalist societies (which includes socialist nations, so I'm lumping all of the Western world in here) typically correlate with democratic rule; freedoms for individuals breed freedom of economics, and vice versa. It's actually quite remarkable that China has managed authoritarian rule so long with its increasing economic liberalization, but I suspect Chinese cultural traditions have a lot to do with that.

At any rate, any discussion of communism vs capitalism is purely academic; neither system actually exists anywhere on Earth.
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