[Alikchi]

You're welcome.

Here's how it works:

GTD Krios -- Special Ops
GTD Soyakaze -- Intelligence
GTD Repulse -- Research and Development

Do you want your FSPort internal access back, by the way?

Thanks - I haven't played through Silent Threat in forever. Speaking of.. Access would be excellent.

[Mobius]

They have the GTD Reliant.

And incidentally, the GTD Reliant class of destroyer mentioned in TVWP (and Awakenings) is different from the GTD Orion class GTD Reliant mentioned in Eishtmo's canon.

Well it was just mentioned. I assume your version is a true destroyer class, not a corvette sized warship. Ok.

No, seriously, the Reliant's name isn't that good for a FS ship class.

We have an explanation for this.

It remains a name not good for the convention. What kind of explanation you have?

[Snail]

It was not developed by the GTA?

[Goober5000]

Thanks - I haven't played through Silent Threat in forever. Speaking of.. Access would be excellent.

Well, keep in mind that this is the ST:R lineup... the original Silent Threat isn't very clear on the fleet issue (or any other issue, for that matter).  Speaking of... you've been granted access.

It remains a name not good for the convention. What kind of explanation you have?

Well, when you make your own TVW campaign, you can change it.

It was not developed by the GTA?

Yes, but this isn't the whole story.  I suppose it wouldn't hurt to publish this entry in the TVWP tech database:

Project Goliath

After the discovery of subspace and development of subspace jump drives in 2291, the political landscape changed dramatically.  Any faction could conceivably attack any other faction with relative ease -- no longer did the vast distances between planets isolate anyone.  Realizing it was unprepared for such an assault, the UNE in a rare moment of agreement voted to begin construction on a weapon so powerful that no faction would dare attempt to attack it.  The weapon was codenamed Project Goliath.

The Goliath was to be a new class of ship capable of both carrier and assault functions.  Never before had this sort of fusion been attempted -- carriers were traditionally designed specifically for fighter transportation and were ill-suited for direct assault, and likewise frigates were not equipped with hangar bays.  With the Goliath, however, the functions of an entire battlegroup would be combined into one massive ship, enabling it to attack targets without need of separate escort or support ships.

The UNE unwisely chose to herald the final stages of the Goliath's construction by proclaiming to the other factions its unrivaled military superiority and daring any other faction to produce such a ship.  The Kuiper Confederacy apparently took that as a challenge, and within a week managed to not only steal the project blueprints but attack the supposedly secret shipyard where the Goliath was being completed, inflicting severe damage on the ship.  (The damage set the construction of the Goliath back several months, so that the Goliath's sister ship, the Reliant, was actually completed first.  Thus these ships are now known as Reliant-class.)

By the end of the year, every other Terran faction had purchased or stolen the plans and begun constructing their own ships.  Their ineptitude having nullified any initial advantage they may have possessed, the UNE quickly scaled back its publicity campaign.  They completed construction of five Reliants, more than any other faction, but cancelled further development of weapons or enhancements.

Currently, each faction owns at least one Reliant.  Due to the enormous costs involved in maintaining these ships, they are not kept in active service.  However, if a full-scale war should break out and a faction's complement of Reliants brought on-line, any conflict could have the potential to turn very ugly very fast.

[Mustang19]

Regardless of whether Reliant is a valid name or not, it's just plain stupid... you're supposed to name your ships after positive adjectives, and Reliant ("relying on someone else") isn't a good thing to be known for in a war.

Love the ship history! Fleshing out Freespace history is always a fun project. :V: gave the game only a bare-bones storyline, as they knew that there were people more creative than them who could come up with a good backstory. Don't believe me? Look what Microsoft did with Starlancer.

[lenard27]

Nice job on the history, Alikchi.
I know its been said but I don't think that a destroyer would be reliant-class. It doesn't have mythological meaning.  The Reliant would be a good name for an individual destroyerm though. (I know it was already mentioned but it does make me think of Starlancer.)

[Akalamanaia]

Reliant doesn't ring too good in my ears either when referring to a ship class.. it doesn't sound so good to the pilot if you hear "The Reliant Class"..you instantly get the feeling that your useless, as the name implies relying on that class. Something like Excalibur would be more mythological, and worthy of a destroyer.

[diceman111]

I like GTD Battleaxe

Taken from the book Red Storm by Tom Clancy

[Mobius]

I think this name should be changed...it has nothing to do with the others...

Nice job on the history, Alikchi.
I know its been said but I don't think that a destroyer would be reliant-class. It doesn't have mythological meaning.  The Reliant would be a good name for an individual destroyerm though. (I know it was already mentioned but it does make me think of Starlancer.)

I agree with you. The name will work fine for a capship.

[Snail]

I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.

[Goober5000]

The reason we're using the name Reliant is because Awakenings used it first.  And Awakenings probably took it from the USS Reliant in Star Trek II.

[Snail]

Why doesn't TVWP use the Zagreus class from INFA? We've even got a high(er) poly version, which you can check out.

Same with the Bastet and/or Het-Ka.

[diceman111]

I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.

Yeah I am currently lobbying for the name to be used in FOW Ch 2/3, No luck so far though   


/Dice

[Snail]

The Battleaxe is actually a non MT-canon ship, Shadow- made it up for continuity sake (the ship that was specified is actually somewhere else at the same time).

Why am I telling you this?

[Mobius]

Snail is right, you may use the new HTL Zagreus(now with nameplates!). A "variant" has been planned but it's a bit advanced for a T-V era warship.

I like GTD Battleaxe

That's actually a working name for one of the ships in MT, but it's been deleted.

Battleaxe was used for a cruiser in S:AH too, right? <---I know it has nothing to do with a new ship class...whatever...

Same with the Bastet and/or Het-Ka.

Same with the Bastet and Het-Ka What do you intend for "and/or"?!?

[diceman111]

The Battleaxe is actually a non MT-canon ship, Shadow- made it up for continuity sake (the ship that was specified is actually somewhere else at the same time).

Why am I telling you this?

I don't know

[Snail]

Battleaxe was used for a cruiser in S:AH too, right? <---I know it has nothing to do with a new ship class...whatever...


Same with the Bastet and Het-Ka What do you intend for "and/or"?!?

The RMC Battleaxe, RMC Bloodlust, RMC Battlelust and RMC Frenzy, IIRC...


and/or, means it's either and or... or... So not necessarily and, and not necessarily or... Uhh...
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[Admiral Nelson]

A less common meaning of reliant is " Having, or characterized by, reliance; confident; trusting," which is what it means in this context.   There have been two Royal Fleet Auxiliaries called Reliant, as well as a training / utility aircraft (Stinson AT-19) and an automobile company.

[Mobius]

We all know that Reliant is a good name for a ship, but not for a FreeSpace ship class. That's what we were discussing about.