[ItalianPlumber]

Hello people! While playing my 8th playthrough of Blue Planet, I started wondering one thing: the UEF's main logistical assets gets pulverized during Darkest Hour. There are countless UEF ships lost during the various missions (Ranvir, Akula, Yangtze, Vilnius, Katana, Altan Orde just to name a few). Considering that the UEF's fleet was never meant as an offensive fleet and more as a peacekeeping force, one is led to believe that they never had a particularly large fleet to begin with, and the war with the GTVA has only complicated things a lot.


How many capital ships (Karunas, Narayanas) does the UEF have left? All I know so far is that they still have:

- UED Toutatis (only committed if there is no other choice because of its importance and the likelyhood of a shock-jump attack)
- UED Eris (ditto)
- UED Solaris (ditto)
- UEF Indus
- UEF Masyaf (don't know if this one counts since it's Fedayeen)
- UEF Serenity
- UEF Vikrant
- UEF Toreador
- A few other cruisers

That...doesn't certainly make fighting on easier for the Federation, especially considering that replenishing those losses is very difficult/near impossible because of all the shipyards blown up. And I remember Laporte mentioning that Calder's fleet is "down to one destroyer and three frigates". We can't really count on the first fleet's ships either, since they're all busy working on Byrne's "master plan" either (unless Earth is attacked, in which case I hope they WILL be committed).

So, to be short now that the rant is over...how many UEF ships are left between 2nd and 3rd Fleet, approximately?

[X3N0-Life-Form]

There should be a UEF Order of Battle somewhere on the BP forums, which should make it to answer your question. IIRC, 3rd fleet is basically reduced to the Toutatis, a pair of Narayanas, potentially the Serenity and a handful of cruisers & gunboats, while 1st Fleet is virtually intact.

EDIT - There it is: Forces deployed in the Sol Theater

Note that this is dated from before the battle of Artemis Station.

[ItalianPlumber]

There should be a UEF Order of Battle somewhere on the BP forums, which should make it to answer your question. IIRC, 3rd fleet is basically reduced to the Toutatis, a pair of Narayanas, potentially the Serenity and a handful of cruisers & gunboats, while 1st Fleet is virtually intact.

EDIT - There it is: Forces deployed in the Sol Theater

Note that this is dated from before the battle of Artemis Station.

Thank you very much for the link 

[Phantom Hoover]

Re the Masyaf, it doesn't 'count' because it's a pre-refit Narayana: it'd get gutted in seconds if it went up against the GTVA.

[crizza]

There's also this:
http://hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Blue_Planet_Orders_of_Battle#United_Earth_Federation

Should be pretty much the same, but gives you nice impression of what the terran half of the GTVA has deployed elsewhere.

[Hellstryker]

3JRF - Third Fleet, or Jovian Rim Fleet
Capital Assets
Command
DD 03 Toutatis Status - Active
FrigRon Alpha
FG 3101 Nelson, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3102 Cormorant, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Bravo
FG 3103 Katana, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3104 Altan Orde, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Charlie
FG 3105 Minh, Karuna Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FG 3106 Ardent, Karuna Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FG 3107 Akula, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Delta
FG 3108 Rhineland, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3109 Serenity, Karuna Status - Unknown
Tactical Artillery Squadron Alpha
FA 3308 Vikrant, Narayana Status - Active
FA 3309 Toreador, Narayana Status - Active
Tactical Artillery Squadron Bravo
FA 3310 Rajput, Narayana Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FA 3311 Ranvir, Narayana Status - Destroyed

Cruisers & Support
Twenty to twenty-five cruisers, split into two-ship torpedo strike divisions or CruRons, including
CA 3240 Ironhide Status - Destroyed
CA 3241 Suffron Status - Destroyed
CA 3242 Dea Bricta Status - Destroyed
CA 3243 Auxerre Status - Destroyed
CA 3244 Segura
CA 3245 Tripoli
probably five or six ECM assets, most not yet up to full functionality
UEA Anjaneya
UEA Guerrere

2FM - Second Fleet Mars
Capital assets
Command
DD 02 Eris Status - Active
First Frigate Divisionn
FG 2101 Indus, Karuna Status - Drydock (Conjecture)
FG 2102 Yangtze, Karuna Status - Destroyed
Second Frigate Division
FG 2103 Ridwan, Karuna Status - Active
FG 2104 Hebrides, Karuna Status - Active
Third Frigate Division
FG 2105 Vallis Marineris, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 2106 Bradbury, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
Flexible Fire Division
FG 2107 Tigris, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FA 2308 Hesperia, Narayana Status - Active (Conjecture)
FA 2309 Qadesh, Narayana Status - Active (Conjecture)
Counter Division
FG 2110 Ultima, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 2111 Kongo, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)

Cruisers & Support
About fifteen to twenty cruisers deployed singly to reinforce existing divisions in their mission profiles, almost never solo, including:
CA 2231 Dea Icaunis Status - Destroyed
CA 2232 Termagant
CA 2233 Kyoto Status - Destroyed
CA 2234 Insuperable Status - Destroyed

1HF - First Fleet/Home Fleet
Capital assets
Command
DD 01 Solaris Status - Active
Frigate Flotilla, Strike Assignment
FG 1101 Churchill, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 1102 Queen Elizabeth, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 1103 Avalon, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
Frigate Flotilla, Deterrence Assignment
FG 1304 Shiraz, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1337 Masyaf, Narayana Status - Special Assignment
Frigate Flotilla, Special Assignment
FG 1105 Sallah ad-Din, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FG 1106 Alexander, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1307 Endurance, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1308 Prince Eugene, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1309 Charles de Gaulle, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1310 Decatur, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)

Cruisers & Support
About twenty to twenty-five cruisers, deployed solo or in three-ship wings, including
CA 1225 Vilnius Status - Destroyed
CA 1226 Vatican Status - Destroyed

Hope this helps, feel free to fill in any blanks or any mistakes I made, but I think that's a pretty accurate list.

[ItalianPlumber]

3JRF - Third Fleet, or Jovian Rim Fleet
Capital Assets
Command
DD 03 Toutatis Status - Active
FrigRon Alpha
FG 3101 Nelson, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3102 Cormorant, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Bravo
FG 3103 Katana, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3104 Altan Orde, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Charlie
FG 3105 Minh, Karuna Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FG 3106 Ardent, Karuna Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FG 3107 Akula, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FrigRon Delta
FG 3108 Rhineland, Karuna Status - Destroyed
FG 3109 Serenity, Karuna Status - Unknown
Tactical Artillery Squadron Alpha
FA 3308 Vikrant, Narayana Status - Active
FA 3309 Toreador, Narayana Status - Active
Tactical Artillery Squadron Bravo
FA 3310 Rajput, Narayana Status - Destroyed (Conjecture)
FA 3311 Ranvir, Narayana Status - Destroyed

Cruisers & Support
Twenty to twenty-five cruisers, split into two-ship torpedo strike divisions or CruRons, including
CA 3240 Ironhide Status - Destroyed
CA 3241 Suffron Status - Destroyed
CA 3242 Dea Bricta Status - Destroyed
CA 3243 Auxerre Status - Destroyed
CA 3244 Segura
CA 3245 Tripoli
probably five or six ECM assets, most not yet up to full functionality
UEA Anjaneya
UEA Guerrere

2FM - Second Fleet Mars
Capital assets
Command
DD 02 Eris Status - Active
First Frigate Divisionn
FG 2101 Indus, Karuna Status - Drydock (Conjecture)
FG 2102 Yangtze, Karuna Status - Destroyed
Second Frigate Division
FG 2103 Ridwan, Karuna Status - Active
FG 2104 Hebrides, Karuna Status - Active
Third Frigate Division
FG 2105 Vallis Marineris, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 2106 Bradbury, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
Flexible Fire Division
FG 2107 Tigris, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FA 2308 Hesperia, Narayana Status - Active (Conjecture)
FA 2309 Qadesh, Narayana Status - Active (Conjecture)
Counter Division
FG 2110 Ultima, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 2111 Kongo, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)

Cruisers & Support
About fifteen to twenty cruisers deployed singly to reinforce existing divisions in their mission profiles, almost never solo, including:
CA 2231 Dea Icaunis Status - Destroyed
CA 2232 Termagant
CA 2233 Kyoto Status - Destroyed
CA 2234 Insuperable Status - Destroyed

1HF - First Fleet/Home Fleet
Capital assets
Command
DD 01 Solaris Status - Active
Frigate Flotilla, Strike Assignment
FG 1101 Churchill, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 1102 Queen Elizabeth, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
FG 1103 Avalon, Karuna Status - Active (Conjecture)
Frigate Flotilla, Deterrence Assignment
FG 1304 Shiraz, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1337 Masyaf, Narayana Status - Special Assignment
Frigate Flotilla, Special Assignment
FG 1105 Sallah ad-Din, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FG 1106 Alexander, Karuna Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1307 Endurance, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1308 Prince Eugene, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1309 Charles de Gaulle, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)
FA 1310 Decatur, Narayana Status - Special Assignment (Conjecture)

Cruisers & Support
About twenty to twenty-five cruisers, deployed solo or in three-ship wings, including
CA 1225 Vilnius Status - Destroyed
CA 1226 Vatican Status - Destroyed

Hope this helps, feel free to fill in any blanks or any mistakes I made, but I think that's a pretty accurate list.

Thank you so much for the list, Hellstryker, it is extremely appreciated. Though I seem to see a few ships which can actually be saved in the campaign, depending on the mission's outcome? I remember saving the Dea Icaunis when I fought Xinny, Zero and all the other aces. Regardless, this list is doubtlessly useful to glimpse at the greater picture.

[AdmiralRalwood]

Ditto Ironhide and Suffron.

[Gee1337]

This is a nice overview of the UEF (UEA to AdmiralRalood ) forces in Sol. So to get a better overall picture in this thread, does anyone care to list the GTVA assets in Sol?

[ItalianPlumber]

The list of fielded GTVA ships can be seen in the link provided in the first reply to my post, but here is it, just copy-pasted from the relevant thread. I took the liberty of updating it a bit and colouring the notes regarding destroyed, driven off, captured or defected vessels. My thanks to Scotty for having compiled the list (warning: small spoilers!):

GTVA Solar theater OrBat:

2nd Fleet, consisting of the Terran 2nd (provisional designation) and __th Battlegroups

2nd  Battlegroup:
Flagship -
   GTD Carthage, Orion class destroyer.  Either Captured or Destroyed by the UEF with the assistance of the UEF Vikrant, UEF Toreador and UEF Toutatis, with loss of all hosted squadrons.
Supporting warships -
   GTCv Rhadanite, Deimos class corvette.  Blown to pieces by the UEF Toreador and UEF Vikrant during "Her Finest Hour" (decided to be more "specific" regarding the fate of this vessel in particular, since its captain gives us one of the best "Oh crap!" moments of the whole BP campaign )
   GTCv Leander, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
   GTCv Iolanthe, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed during "Her Finest Hour"
   GTCv Deianira, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed during "Her Finest Hour"
   GTCv Legionary, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
   GTCv Arethusa, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed during "What Binds Us"
   GTCv Atenor, Deimos class corvette. Captured by Wargods.
   GTC McAuliffe, Leviathan class cruiser. Destroyed by the UEF Vikrant and UEF Toreador.
   GTC Gallant, Hyperion class cruiser. Destroyed by the UEF Vikrant and UEF Toreador.
   GTC Norfolk, Aeolus class cruiser.  Captured by Wargods.
   GTC Voronezh, Aeolus class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
   GTC Joketsu, Aeolus class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
   GTC Grissom, Leviathan class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
   GTC Systema, Leviathan class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off by Wargods.
Supporting fighter squadrons -
   39th Szczerbiec
   61st Kampilan
   63rd Sword-and-Spear
   161st Yoshisada
   181st Bloodhounds Squadron annihilated as per "Her Finest Hour"
   202nd Lobos
   330th Scythians
   332nd Firebearers
   378th Blue Diamonds
   380th Executioners
   401st Ninetails
   402nd Tulwar
   491st Balrog
   507th Goliaths
   529th Kilji
   663rd Firebearers

4th Fleet, consisting of the Terran 13th and 16th Battlegroups.

13th Battlegroup:
Flagship -
   GTD Meridian, Hecate class destroyer.  Forced to withdraw from Sol
CO: Admiral Cyrus Severanti
   GTD Hood, Hecate class destroyer.  CO: Forced to withdraw as per "Aristeia"
Supporting warships -
   GTCv Juarez, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed or forced to withdraw
   GTCv Harpy, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed during the First Battle of Neptune.    
   GTCv Cardinal, Deimos class corvette.  Driven off after taking heavy damage.
   GTCv Indomeneus, Deimos class corvette.  Remains in theater.
   GTCv Regensburn, Deimos class corvette.  Driven off after taking heavy damage.
   GTCv Redoubtable, Deimos class corvette.  Forced to withdraw after taking heavy damage.    
   GTC Essex, Aeolus class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off.
   GTC Ajax, Aeolus class cruiser.  Destroyed or driven off.   GTC Cho, Aeolus class cruiser.  Remains in theater.
   GTA Argus, Charybdis class support vessel.  Remains in theater.
Supporting fighter squadrons -
   9th Fighting Tarsiers
   11th Tactical Assault (name forthcoming?)
   42nd Pythons
   42nd Striders
   66th Scarlet Horse
   75th Vigilantes
   77th Tactical Strike (name forthcoming?)
   101st Sidewinders
   103rd Archers
   500th Helldivers
   500th Gladiators
   545th KukGris
   508th Prowling Bears
   555th Swordfish
   556th Stallions
   591st Flare Riders   
   899th Undine

16th Battlegroup:
Flagship(s) -
   GTD Requiem, Hecate class destroyer.  Destroyed or driven off.
  CO: Unknown
Supporting warships -
   GTCv Arcane, Diomedes class corvette.  Detached to SOC service.  Remains in theater.   
Supporting fighters squadrons -
   93rd Adders
   315th Jade Falcons
   501st Legionnaires

5th Fleet (provisional designation), consisting of the Terran 15th and 14th Battegroups.

15th Battlegroup:
Flagship -
   GTD Atreus, Raynor class destroyer.  Currently remains in theater.  CO: Admiral Chiwetel Steele.
   GTD Imperieuse, Titan class destroyer.  Currently remains in theater.  Destroyed the greater portion of the Wargods battlegroup. CO: Rear Admiral Verena Winters
Supporting assets -
   GTCv Siren, Chimera class corvette.  Destroyed by Wargods
   GTCv Hydra, Chimera class corvette.  Part of Serkr team.  Remains in theater.
   GTCv Pilum, Chimera class corvette.  Part of Serkr team.  Remains in theater.
   GTCv Marcus Glaive, Bellerophon class corvette.  Part of Serkr team.  Remains in theater.
   GTCv Medea, Diomedes class corvette.  Destroyed by Wargods
   GTCv Valerie, Diomedes class corvette.  Destroyed by the Indus
   GTCv Triteia, Diomedes class corvette.  Escapes destruction at the hands of the UEFg Katana and Altan Orde.
   GTCv Ania, Deimos class corvette.  Destroyed by UEF Katana
   GTCv Thalassa, Deimos class corvette. Destroyed by UEF Katana
   GTCv Snipes, Deimos class corvette.  Remains in theater.
   GTC Courageous, Hyperion class cruiser.  Remains in theater.
   GTC Novikov, Hyperion class cruiser.  Remains in theater.
   GTC Elissa, Hyperion class cruiser.  Remains in theater.
   GTC Utica, Hyperion class cruiser.  Destroyed by UEF Katana
   GTL Agincourt, Anemoi class logistics ship.  Captured by Wargods.
Supporting fighter squadrons -
   2nd Stormriders
   11th Strategic Assault (name forthcoming?)
   12th Tactical Bomb (name forthcoming?)
   13th Strategic Assault
   41st Bengals
   60th Bloodletters
   119th Immortals
   212th Silver Scythes
   465th Illusionists
   744th ESMS 'Avalanche'
   908th Trailblazers
   909th Stingrays

14th Battlegroup:
Flagship -
   GTD Orestes, Raynor class destroyer.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.  CO: Admiral Morian
   GTD Temeraire, Titan class destroyer.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.  CO: Rear Admiral Thea Carey
Supporting assets -
   GTCv Boreas, Bellerophon class corvette.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.
   GTCv Labouchere, Chimera class corvette.  Defected to the UEF.
   GTCv Miranda, Chimera class corvette.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.
   GTC Bretonia, Hyperion class cruiser.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.
   GTC Duke, Hyperion class cruiser.  Defected to UEF.
   GTC Persephone, Hyperion class cruiser.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.
   GTL Solace, Anemoi class logisitics ship.  Defected to UEF.
   GTL Fortune, Anemoi class logistics ship.  Departed Sol theater hours after commencement of hostilities.

[Gee1337]

I knoes, but I thought it would be nice to have it here as well!

[Deora11]

Funny question, but what's the status of the Bradbury fleet yards, where they built the Solaris-classes?? And will the UEF refit the Purusha classes for combat again, because the Purusha's tech data says they are currently inactive- not destroyed. quote ( Most hulls of the class were decommissioned and yarded in case of emergency reactivation).

[ItalianPlumber]

I don't know about the Bradbury shipyards. I assume building another Solaris is out of the question due to either the destruction of a good half of the UEF's logistical assets, extreme cost of resources/time, or a combination of the two. As for the purusha, same as above. I don't know if the UEF is actually capable of retrofitting them now, with half of their shipyards destroyed.

[crizza]

The Bradbury Fleetyards have been blitzed by Steele as far as I'm aware.
But given the econimical situation of the UEF, reactivating the Purushas is not possible, one fiction entry told something about a economical collapse around six month in the future.
Besides, the ships would need dedicated fighter escorts and so on. I guess the Custos are far cheaper , while being lighter armed.
And then there is the Karuna Mk2...with the Indus heavily damaged, she would be a perfect ship to be upgraded, but I think someone stated, that the UEF can barely keep lighter damage within the fleets in check.

[Phantom Hoover]

AFAIK the Bradbury yards are fine; Steele largely skipped over Mars to begin putting pressure directly on Earth. The war's currently in its final fortnight and the UEF's already against the ropes, so any outlandish logistical ploys like building another Solaris or refitting the entire Karuna fleet are completely out of the question. Shambhala is the unknown you should be thinking about here, but we know so little about it it's hard to really make predictions.

[ItalianPlumber]

AFAIK the Bradbury yards are fine; Steele largely skipped over Mars to begin putting pressure directly on Earth. The war's currently in its final fortnight and the UEF's already against the ropes, so any outlandish logistical ploys like building another Solaris or refitting the entire Karuna fleet are completely out of the question. Shambhala is the unknown you should be thinking about here, but we know so little about it it's hard to really make predictions.

If the real-life Mythological "Shambhala" is related in any way to the project First Fleet is working on, I think I have a couple of ideas about what would it entail 

[Luis Dias]

Oh boy, believe me we were aaaaall over that **** already for months and tl dr discussion threads. You can find such threads in the BP forums...

[ItalianPlumber]

Oh boy, believe me we were aaaaall over that **** already for months and tl dr discussion threads. You can find such threads in the BP forums...

Yeah, I'm not particularly eager to delve too much into that, either, you're right