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Offline swashmebuckle

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Yay! That's looking really lovely even without the textures.  As for the fighter storage, maybe you could try a bay with room for a 3x4 spread of TIEs along with space for elevators.  That way you might minimize the "footprint" on the outer hull while leaving it open that there could be substantial area under the flight deck for maintenance and storage.  It also avoids using external racks, which could be pretty visually distracting and bad for performance given that the ship is supposed to carry something like 24 fighters.

 

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I don't believe the ship should be capable of carrying that many fighters, given that it probably has less or equal internal volume than a corvette.  Simply put, there's nowhere for them to go except for externally, really...
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That pretty much means fighter racks then :)
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That pretty much means fighter racks then :)
great thing to slap between engines and the front bit.
and make a bit of sense, looking at it.

 

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Well, the exterior shots from ESB (not the interiors, heh) make it look like you could almost park an X-wing just in Luke's medical suite, and there's all that space above the bridge area that doesn't really have any clear purpose (assuming the reactors are logically placed back in the engine section)...maybe a hybrid solution?  A small bay with rack mounts to make up the difference?  An escort vessel would be pretty limited if it couldn't even perform routine maintenance on it's fighter compliment.  Unless it's extra-vehicular maintenance I guess.

 

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i believe in canon the neb carried fighters in an internal hanger in the upper forward section with access to one side

the wookiepedia lists the imperial complement as 2 squadrons (24) TIE fighters and a small number of assault and boarding shuttles. I also believe that as a part of the TIE fighter design was the development of a storage racking system designed increase efficiency of storage
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Considering where the Falcon is parked, it'd make sense to assume that there could be fighter racks along the spine. The one seen in ESB is presumably the one converted to a medical ship anyway, so I think it's fair to assume that regular ones would have an extra hangar or racks.

Some ideas:

You could make a (small) hangar on the starboard side, at about the same spot at which the medical bay is on the other side. Another place would be somewhere in the "keel" with all those mysterious cylinders. One of them could essentially be hollow, with entrances in one or two places. Finally, you could probably fit a small hangar somewhere on the front side of the back section as well. I'm sure there's plenty of places you could place a hangar without it looking wrong in any way, as the movies don't really tell us anything, and AFAIK other sources don't either.

 

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I think at this point it either would need very good textures or a bit more work on the geometry.

Just my $0.02

 

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That's why I brought it up before texturing really got underway.
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I doubt a tie fighter would fit through the medical bay window. You'd be suprised how much room you need in a capship model just to fit a couple fighters in comfortably. A squadron of 10 meter long craft doesn't fit very well into a 300 meter long craft. I think you'll need pylons on the outside of its waist in order to get your 2 squadrons. And you might get two or three ships into the main module if you hollow it out completely, make it just an empty shell.

Honestly, I don't think whoever created the ships' capacity really gave it much consideration.

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what if those lower tuber are just big enough to fit TIE's in them, specificially the ones near the bottom, tose look more than 10m wide.

It'd be cramped and tricky to get to them, but they'd be accessible..

 

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I doubt a tie fighter would fit through the medical bay window.

Maybe that's why it's used as a medical frigate.  Design flaw. 
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I was thinking that the original hangar opening was larger than the medical bay window, if it were to have a hangar.
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Okay, so I was bored and came up with these quick photoshopped comparisons:




While these are each single plane comparisons of 24 X-Wings against the Nebulon-B, one can see the difficulty of finding space in such a ship, given that it's probable that much of the main hull is taken by necessary equipment (Ships aren't just hollow, you know...)  Even given a cube stacking scenario (unlikely, given the shots we've seen of rebel hangars) a 2x3x4 grid of these is a significant amount of space, not including maintenance facilities
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Well they would fit. 



Either one of those sections could be some kind of opening bay.  There is a similar structure on the rear that could also house 4-6 fighters.  The problem would be any type of rapid deployment.  You could only launch a 2-4 fighters at a time without a delay to move the next ones into launch position.   Wouldn't be much of an issue for Rebel ships with hyper drives as they could deploy then jump like in the BOE sequence but for tie fighters that don't have hyperdrives the thing would be a sitting duck to attack while launching. 
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Well...



I don't see much resembling any kind of door system, in fact there looks to be quite a bit of other equipment.  Admittedly this is the medical frigate model, as it's the only model ever made of the Neb-B, but we can see that at least one medical bay is at the aft end of the frontal portion, it would make sense to have all the medical facilities at least nearby each other, also they probably are the thing that is replacing the fighter bays in the first place, so wherever we can pinpoint the medical facilities probably is where the fighter bay should go.  There is the opening on the left side of the photo, but that's far too small to fit an X-Wing in, maybe a TIE Fighter though.

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Also, of note, is the photos show that these blueprints are rather inaccurate
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Heh, I wasn't meaning to imply that Luke's medical suite window was a converted hangar bay door or anything, just that there seems to be a lot of area in there that doesn't really seem to have much going on by the look of the schematics, especially if you include the medical facility floorspace that we see in the establishing shots.  Looking at Brand's size comparison though, getting even twelve fighters in there seems rather unrealistic to me, but a bay for six TIEs with six more ready to launch under the spar behind the main docking tube might be cool.  That way at least you can have a full squadron plus a small ship docked, which would be great for versatility in mission design.

 

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Yeah, I agree with swash on this one, 24 fighters just seems too much for the frigate, given it's size.  One might be able to fit TIEs in there instead, given the empire's tendency to stack them as tightly as possible, but also remember that a TIE Fighter isn't that much smaller than an X-Wing, and significantly taller.
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Maybe it had a Just In Time assembly system where the balls and panels are stored separately to save space, and the panels are attached at the last moment on launch after you hop into a ball :)
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And then you could land mid mission for a quick swap!  Done taking out the enemy fighters in your interceptor?  Switch to bomber now to pulverize the capships!  Or you could make some sort of crazy hybrid like every fanfic writer in history has made!  Then when the enemy moncal cruiser or stolen SSD comes along, you can use your ring of power!

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