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3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
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Offline sigtau

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Well, anyway, aside from all of that, I'm glad we got these things out finally.  Helping out FSU is actually fun for me, and I'm glad to have taken part  :yes:
"Go away.  Start a blog." -dsockwell

Every time you lump all religious folk under the blanket statement "delusional" or "ignorant," you put yourself on the level of the "God Hates Fags" crowd.
On the same token, there's nothing wrong with disliking religion--it's just that being an ass about it doesn't prove a point any further.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Who didn't read anything in the post and went straight for the download links?

* Snail raises hand

 

Offline Rodo

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
what?

where?

*looks for the download thread*
el hombre vicio...

 

Offline Snail

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
what?

where?

*looks for the download thread*
look up

 
Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Who didn't read anything in the post and went straight for the download links?

* Snail raises hand

*raises hand* Guilty as charged, i think i was the first to finish the dl of the files, go go fios!

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Could all mods somehow be notified that they need to update their mod.inis to point to mediavps_3612?

 

Offline sigtau

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Could all mods somehow be notified that they need to update their mod.inis to point to mediavps_3612?

...

Didn't you just shoot this idea down in IRC?  "We can't update every mod ever" or something like that?
"Go away.  Start a blog." -dsockwell

Every time you lump all religious folk under the blanket statement "delusional" or "ignorant," you put yourself on the level of the "God Hates Fags" crowd.
On the same token, there's nothing wrong with disliking religion--it's just that being an ass about it doesn't prove a point any further.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Could all mods somehow be notified that they need to update their mod.inis to point to mediavps_3612?

...

Didn't you just shoot this idea down in IRC?  "We can't update every mod ever" or something like that?

r u a moron

We can't notify every mod ever. But since it's a necessary step we're obligated to notify as many mods as we can.

Blue Planet for instance currently has a mod.ini pointing to mediavps. It would break the whole campaign if not updated to point to mediavps_3612.

 

Offline sigtau

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
r u a moron

No, I'm just really ****ing tired tonight.

I see your point, anyway.
"Go away.  Start a blog." -dsockwell

Every time you lump all religious folk under the blanket statement "delusional" or "ignorant," you put yourself on the level of the "God Hates Fags" crowd.
On the same token, there's nothing wrong with disliking religion--it's just that being an ass about it doesn't prove a point any further.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
No, I'm just really ****ing tired tonight.
Have some POWER DRINK

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Could all mods somehow be notified that they need to update their mod.inis to point to mediavps_3612?

There's this one question that is on a rampage in my head: Why? Why a change in the folder name? Apparently this is part of some scheme, but as cool as version numbers are, it's just that... bah, never mind. Confused people are bound to appear at an alarming rate. Hope someone has time and patience for them.
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01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
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01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

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14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

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Offline General Battuta

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Could all mods somehow be notified that they need to update their mod.inis to point to mediavps_3612?

There's this one question that is on a rampage in my head: Why? Why a change in the folder name? As cool as version numbers are, it's just that... bah, never mind. Moar work ahead. Hope someone does it.

I am told it is because the current MediaVPs have removed a number of obsolete assets to improve efficiency and that this could break mods which referenced the old MVPs.

 

Offline Snail

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Also scripting elements and stuff might be unfriendly.

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Sooo... the idea is that people keep their old MediaVPs, install these new ones and then know how to switch between them?
01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

Offline Fury

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Mod dir has different name because many ship textures were removed, weapon effects were removed, a lot of scripting features were added and much more stuff like that. Every one of those have high chance of breaking existing mods. Mod developers should test, fix and update their mods. Updates should include new mod.ini which points to mediavps_3612.

End-user should do absolutely nothing more than download mediavps and mods. End-user does not need to know how to switch between them or anything of the sort. That task is handled by mod.ini's which are updated in due time by mod developers.

Case in point. BP: AoA would have thrown debug errors about missing textures and weapon effects if used directly with these new mediavps. Not only that, but flashy explosion scripts would have conflicted and created unwanted behavior.

Now, what would have happened if new mediavps would have used old mod dir and BP staff didn't have update prepared? A lot and lot of support requests. That's what. Now, even if you download new mediavps, you can still play unupdated AoA without any issues whatsoever provided you don't delete old mediavps mod dir.

3.6.10 mediavps have been out for so long that people take compatibility with mediavps for granted. Nobody seems to remember how much missions, campaigns and mods broke when new mediavps up to 3.6.10 were released.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2010, 12:44:11 am by Fury »

 

Offline blowfish

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Sooo... the idea is that people keep their old MediaVPs, install these new ones and then know how to switch between them?

Yes.  In short, new mediavps may have changes which will break old mods.

 

Offline sigtau

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
Last question: Does that mean we'll have to keep active downloads of 3.6.10 MVPs up, or will we ever make compatibility patches in the future?
"Go away.  Start a blog." -dsockwell

Every time you lump all religious folk under the blanket statement "delusional" or "ignorant," you put yourself on the level of the "God Hates Fags" crowd.
On the same token, there's nothing wrong with disliking religion--it's just that being an ass about it doesn't prove a point any further.

 

Offline Fury

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
3.6.10's need to stay around until mods update to 12's, however long that may take. Forcing them to update is not any less helpful than forcefully breaking the mod though.

 

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Re: 3.6.12 MediaVPs Discussion thread
quick question about the new folder scheme what happens if someone wants to play say BP with the new Mediavps so you are loading both 3.6.10 and version 3.6.12. I understand that there is an issue with not being able to sort the mess when you have conflicting assets with the same name so it loads them at random?