[The E]

Indeed. While there are always critics (some more vocal than others), the overall feedback seems to be 90% positive.

[newman]

"Hey, cool redesign on this model kit. Wonder if FotG would use it if I built one" -> get permission to use -> build -> texture -> show wip -> brink of flame war.

For the life of me I can't get how do we get to that last step. Let's just not go all the way, shall we? In the mean time, I'll call the 90% positive feedback E mentioned a win and be happy with that as I upgrade the textures a bit

[TopAce]

That's the mentality you need. You can't impress everyone.

[Gank]

im not whining im just giving my opinion, i dont like it, as chief himself pointed out its like a block of granite.  i dont even understand what your saying about scale, it is 20m and the stormtroopers not to scale? i dont really want to get into an argument about it, up to you what you make and up to the guys if they want to put it in, if you just want to hear people slaping you on the back fair enough good luck to you. no need to get all defensive and overreact

[TopAce]

Who's overreacting?

[Gank]

not sure, talk of flame wars but bit confused as to why too. thats what i meant by overreact

[newman]

Now I don't get what you mean about scale. You said it was too big, did you not? You also said that it's supposed to be 20m long, correct? That implies you think this one is actually longer? If I misunderstood, I apologize. To be clear:

- the model on the renders is 20m long. Max doesn't lie and is a hell of a lot better at judging scale then the human eye.

- the stormtrooper in the pic is to scale, I made it 1.9m high. Maybe should have gone for 2.0 but that doesn't change the fact that the transport itself is still 20m long.

As for not liking the design itself, it's your prerogative. Even if I wanted to I can't get insulted over that since I haven't designed it. I personally love this design which is why I built one for FotG.

[TopAce]

Please keep the habit of building SW designs you love.

[Gank]

i know its not your design, thats why i had no probs critising it
The scalings not really important, maybe the perspective is throwing me off, maybe i'm just wrong As long as its good in game doesnt matter

if you are open to critism though i think the head at least could do with reshaping, the shapes just a bit too basic. The lasers for example look like theyre just a pair of barrels with no firing mechanism behind them. if you'e going for an an imperial look the textures could be lightened a bit as well. like i said though up to you what you make and the guys what they put in. It just looks off as is.

[newman]

Like I said, textures aren't final and will be brightened up a bit. Mesh wise, I like the design as is. Check the links in the first post to see what it's based on. I like that and intend to keep it that way.
Scale wise, could be that perspective threw you off. That happens a lot and is even mentioned in the FotG FAQ

[Black Wolf]

Those barrels will be barely visible ingame, and they're perfectly high poly enough. Top work Newman, this will be great for mission design purposes, and it's a super high quality model to boot.

[newman]

Yay, 91%

[Gank]

i wasnt refering to the amount of polys but the basic shape, they just look like pipes, most of the detailing on the model will be barely visible in game but they add to they overall look. anyways..

[TopAce]

If they're barely visible in-game, then what's the point in adding them? That's something I can't apprehend. Maybe I should be a modeler to understand.

[Gank]

comprehend, and small details like that make the model look more realistic overall. barely visible is enough to add to the overall picture. except here they look off. i looked at the pics of the zarkus model before (before saw this 3d version) think its the interior there thats throwing me off on the scale now that i look at them again.

[rhettro]

Hey, I just wanted to pop in and commend newman on his exceptional model and texture job. If I were to critique the model, and I'm really splitting hairs here, I would say that the complexity of the texture make the ship look bigger than two x-wings end to end.  I hardly think this will matter because I don't believe the detailing will translate to the game engine. All in all another great addition to the FoTG mod.

[Thaeris]

Newman, for the record, I love your model and cannot complain.

Given that this iteration of the ship doesn't really conflict with any listed material (there's never been enough detail/work done to the DX-9 prior to make a truly definative claim of what it looks like, apart from the general configuration), I don't see why there would be such contension. And, as the only SW sim I've ever played was X-Wing, I really like the grey as well.

Lastly, Gank - work on your constructive criticism skills. If something looks too small/big, ask how large it is first or ask for a comparison. DO NOT go out and blatently attack someone's work or give the appearance that you're attacking their work. On a second note, you might actually have some margin of valid opinion here - did you work on the DX-9 for the X-Wing Alliance Upgrade Project?

[chief1983]

I think we've probably responded to Gank's original comments enough.  I myself didn't quite mean to come off like I did, but we do have a bizarre level of poor criticism delivered to many of our renders.

As for difference from the original TRN, the main diffs seem to be the paintings.  There always _could_ be a version with different texturing, but there's no reason there couldn't be a cleaner version of it too, and this is a great starting point for that.

[swashmebuckle]

Amen, Chief.  Now we can let the healing begin.  *ahem*

Oh TRN, how do I love thee?  Let me count the ways:

I love that you are good EU and not Kevin J Anderson
I love how you shake those missile pods when I give you a gander...son

I love the way your firepower is directed, all frontally
I love the rear as well--you've got some cans, to put it bluntally

I love your FRED utility (you "capture" my heart also)
I love that you are full of Stormies (don't stun me, bro!)

I love your wrong proportions--too long, no, wait, too short
I love you with a highly symbolic torpedo up the exhaust port

[brandx0]

Bravo sir.