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Re: Myrmidon and the Helios
I tried putting various fighter weapons on cap ships a while back. I started with the Maxim. I abandoned it pretty quickly, because the rounds are almost invisible on such a large scale. Now I wouldn't imagine that would affect an in-universe faction's decision not to use them, but still it's worth noting.

I didn't notice them being especially effective, although I was mostly using fighters against the modified ship, so. Prom S turrets were pretty effective. Morning Stars weren't as interesting as I'd hoped.

 

Offline qwadtep

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In keeping with the lighter tone, I like the idea of the Myrmidon being originally a bomber design that was pushed into another capacity, or possibly even that the Myrmidon was always a fighter, but some over-zealous engineer or bureaucrat in the company said "Hey, the GTA will pay more for this if they know it'll haul bombs too!"
It does give the Myrmidon some much-needed charm.

 

Offline Valrog

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It's because Maxims are hella degenerate and make things boring. We're still looking at ways to soft nerf mass Maxim fire - retcon in ammo, add a subtractive threshold to warship armor, add damage falloff with range...

I'd love that nerf. I think Maxims are ridiculous as they are now. Seeing a small fighter (not a bomber) quickly destroying a huge capital ship from 3.5 kilometers away, with a gun rather than a missile, and the huge capital ship being able to fire only 1.5 kilometers away breaks immersion.

 

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Re: Myrmidon and the Helios
It's a hack not because the banks are too small, but because Volition made a mistake and put Helios in the Allowed PBanks list.  In non-scramble missions using the retail tables, it's not possible to equip Helios bombs.
You are mistaken. I literally tested it before I posted.

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You are mistaken. I literally tested it before I posted.

The widespread misconception that scramble missions behaved any differently with regards to loadout was just that: a misconception.

:wtf: You're right.  I could have sworn there was indeed a difference.

I tested it just now as well, using a retail build.  Not only could the Bakha equip the Helios in non-scramble missions, but in scramble missions with ships.tbl modified to remove the Helios from the allowed banks, the Bakha started the mission without it.

 

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Do you think the engineer who made this modification got a pay raise?

 

Offline Snarks

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Do you think the engineer who made this modification got a pay raise?

Na. He never thought to announce it so no one gave him credit. Ironically, he died when his transport ship was hit by a couple of Helios bombs launched by a wing of Myrmidon fighters.

 

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Do you think the engineer who made this modification got a pay raise?

Na. He never thought to announce it so no one gave him credit. Ironically, he died when his transport ship was hit by a couple of Helios bombs launched by a wing of Myrmidon fighters.

This is a poignant cautionary tale. The sad life of the humble engineer.

 

Offline CT27

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Hopefully, his next project would have been to work with the Vasudans to give the Taurent Maxim compatibility.  I'd probably take it over the Herc 2 then.

 
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Why wouldn't you already take the Tauret over the Herc II? Ship with four-gun bank > ship with two-two banks.

 
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Well the Tauret's energy reserve is kinda crap, so it would have more trouble with sustaining maxim fire, and it's not as resilient as the Herc 2.

 

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Anyways, it's unfortunate he died as Snarks said.

If he would have survived, just imagine how much good he could have done for the TEI right?

 

Offline FIZ

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Herc II can mount Maxim.  Tauret cannot.  That makes me sad  :(

 

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If it could the Tauret might be able to get five shots off with the Maxim. I could never use anything other that the Mekhu on that POS.

 

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Tauret's weak regen is kinda counter-intuitive when I believe more than once it's stated that Vasudan reactors are superior to Terran.  Only canon I can find in that is the Deimos description, perhaps that's more so regarding to capship reactors.  The great recharge on the smaller Serapis might be used as further evidence.  I suppose that a lesser reactor was chosen perhaps to size limitation with the extra banks and armor on a Tauret over a Serapis. 

Maybe our crazed engineer can replace that weezy Allison engine for a nice Rolls-Royce Merlin :D