[Scotty]

I've finally got a computer that can handle Tenebra at a level I'm satisfied with, so I'll be going through all available materials and updating the list as I go.  I'm also going to do up a googledocs version that has the list as well as a shot description of what each ship does over the course of the campaigns.

For any ships that feature appearances in FS2 as well, that will be included.

In short, on the gdocs version I'll be including everything we know about the status, whereabouts, where they appear in canon, and contributions of the ships that have appeared to date.

[InsaneBaron]

Should we assume, based on this list, that canonically, the Duke, Persephone, and Bretonia all survived "Universal Truth"?

If so, to self and anyone else who did it the CANON way 

[Husker]

Lawl. We haven't seen the Masyaf in action yet. Maybe the defected tev ships had their cannons grafted onto the Masyaf.

[Buckshee Rounds]

Why not just take out the wee landing bay bit in between the two prongs on the Maysaf then graft the Duke in there, like the whole ship. You could create a Narahyperion or a Hyperioyana. (or a HyperNara)

[Husker]

Why not just take out the wee landing bay bit in between the two prongs on the Maysaf then graft the Duke in there, like the whole ship. You could create a Narahyperion or a Hyperioyana. (or a HyperNara)

No. Just. No.

[An4ximandros]

The Fedayeen Centipede? (Sorry, I couldn't resist )

In a more serious note, I wonder if we'll ever see the Masyaf in action? I always wanted to see how a "Prefityana" would do against the GTVA.

[Aesaar]

Lawl. We haven't seen the Masyaf in action yet. Maybe the defected tev ships had their cannons grafted onto the Masyaf.

Fed reactors and power grids can't support modern GTVA beam weapons.

[Husker]

Lawl. We haven't seen the Masyaf in action yet. Maybe the defected tev ships had their cannons grafted onto the Masyaf.

Fed reactors and power grids can't support modern GTVA beam weapons.

Fed reactors, yes. GTVA reactors, well. Again, defected GTVA corvette, tev cruiser, and the GTL Solace. Just a thought.

[Aesaar]

It isn't that simple.  Even the Tevs haven't bothered refitting Capella-era ships with blue beams, because the amount of work required to completely overhaul, say, a Hecate just isn't worth the time and resources.  Hell, the Carthage has been refitted with a new reactor, but it still can't carry modern beams.  You may as well build a new ship instead.  And these are ships already armed with beam cannons.

UEF power grids are simply not made to handle the massive draw of a beam cannon, and you can't just take one ship's power grid and put it on another.

[QuakeIV]

You could probably put green beams in.

[Aesaar]

Yeah, green beams might be workable, but then, why would they want to?  It's still a long refit for weapons that aren't much better than their railguns and torpedoes.

[Crybertrance]

How about tethering captured Mjolnirs?

[Flak]

The Tevs probably think that refitting their older ships, like the Deimos and Aeolus with blue beams, while slightly improving their combat capabilities does not justify the cost and effort of such attempt. They probably need to fit in new generators and heat sinks and new fire control that they need a whole new design overhaul. They do fit the new pulse weapons and blob turrets on their old ships however.

[headdie]

The Tevs probably think that refitting their older ships, like the Deimos and Aeolus with blue beams, while slightly improving their combat capabilities does not justify the cost and effort of such attempt. They probably need to fit in new generators and heat sinks and new fire control that they need a whole new design overhaul. They do fit the new pulse weapons and blob turrets on their old ships however.

the BP fluff states that blue beams require the use of Meson reactors which would mean gutting the ship in order to install the new reactors, fuel storage and power distribution required making a new generation of ships much more cost/performance/durability effective

[CT27]

To make sure I understand right:

It'd be likely cheaper to just build a Raynor or Titan from scratch than to try and update a Hecate to blue beam standards?

[Klaustrophobia]

perhaps not outright cheaper than a new ship from scratch, but in terms of cost-benefit absolutely.

[headdie]

replacing a reactor is a non trivial job.

first you need access to the reactor which is probably much larger than a single deck in size which will in all likelihood entail cutting a hole big enough through the side of the ship in order to remove it and install the new one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refueling_Complex_Overhaul#Refueling_and_Complex_Overhaul would be a close analogy of what is required combined with the above statment.

here are a few numbers to think about

Abraham Lincoln's contract was awarded to Newport News Shipbuilding on 27 December 1982; her keel was laid 3 November 1984 at Newport News, Virginia. The ship was launched on 13 February 1988 and commissioned on 11 November 1989. She cost $4.726 billion in 2010 dollars.

Upon authorization, Abraham Lincoln's RCOH was anticipated to begin in 2013, and it is scheduled to take between three and four years to complete at an estimated overall cost of $3 billion USD.[45][48]

so the refit for a real world warship to use the same base technology is anticipated to cost just over 3/5 of the original construction cost, with the BP warships you also need to factor in the additional requirements of integrating a new technology base for the reactor along with specialised weaponry designed to operate from that system.  So yes based on that it is much more cost effective to build from scratch when it also means that the ship is designed from scratch for all the tech that is in place so should be a little more efficient and reliable along with the benefits of a 20 year newer designed hull

[CT27]

Kind of like how the Typhon was somewhat unreliable with new beam cannon technology so the Vasudans decided it would be better to concentrate on Hatshepsuts?

[headdie]

Kind of like how the Typhon was somewhat unreliable with new beam cannon technology so the Vasudans decided it would be better to concentrate on Hatshepsuts?

That is perhaps on the more extreme end of what I was thinking but yes there is a good potential for systems to not work well together. 

It also means that you can keep the existing ships in service while the new ones are built which considering the GTVA is very nervous about a renewed Shivan invasion would also make new ships an attractive option.

[Flak]

It is not much that it is too expensive, but rather it is probably not worth the amount effort the upgrade will take for the amount of improvement it will bring. For instance, removing the Aeolus' SGreens and replacing them with SBlues probably will not give it that much in term of combat improvements. On the other hand, replacing the blob turrets with STerPulses will give it a much more noticable improvement for a much less effort.