[Terminator]

Has Granite Hunter been compromised by agents of truth?

[BritishShivans]

no, granite hunter is just unreliable and also a animate bag of granite

[perihelion]

Or perhaps they have succeeded in their mission: suppressing the flow of further information.   

[BritishShivans]

also likely

[SmashMonkey]

Maybe there's a union strike at GTI?

[Granite Hunter]

The Dagger
ANALYST REQUEST: MORPHEUS

Code: [Select]

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[Granite Hunter]

X3no-Life-Form
ANALYST REQUEST: MORPHEUS

Code: [Select]

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[Lepanto]

GH is alive? And you mean we actually have to ANALYZE things now?

  Call me a moron, but I have no clue how to extract any meaningful info out of that.

[JSRNerdo]

All things considered this is most likely encrypted in some sort of encryption which only the people who were mentioned in the posts know how to break or have the key for. We'll have to wait on them.

[The Dagger]

I received a PM with a key. It's a one-time pad hexadecimal code. Since my work laptop wasn't at hand I used an online decoder along with my key.
Here's the text. What does it mean, I don't know.

STEVEDORE: [keyword: initiate primes] You were in the military?
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, 50ms retinal array nova imagery]
MORIAN: Yes. I have an appointment about that. That’s why I’m here.
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, transcranial ephemera, 25ms retinal array shivan imagery]
STEVEDORE: Push. Push. It’s moving. What was he like?
MORIAN: Good. Good at his job. People counted on him.
[reward: door progress]
STEVEDORE: Yeah? You don’t sound happy about that.
MORIAN: He gave up on us. When it mattered. There were people who needed him and he left. I had to take over.
STEVEDORE: How did that go? Push. Push, man.
MORIAN: No. Rest. We might be making it worse. They’ll come get us.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log] — Stop that sleeper ship from escaping.
[prime: olfactory cue, warship cic scent pattern]
MORIAN: I can’t figure out what I meant. I said something. They keep asking me about it. But I don’t know why I used those words.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — Stop escaping.
STEVEDORE: You were under a lot of pressure.
MORIAN: They think everything means something. They don’t understand. It’s chaos. You lose the Admiral, it’s chaos. You’re just trying to get control.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — escaping. escaping. escaping.
STEVEDORE: You were just trying to make the best of a bad situation.
MORIAN: They think I knew something. But I didn’t. I just wanted to keep the fleet together. We fought to save that ship.
[prime: free association array] — escaping prisoner jail contagion pathogen pet threat danger
STEVEDORE: I’m getting claustrophobic. Let’s push.
MORIAN: No. We don’t know what we’re doing. Stop. Stop. We have to wait for help.
STEVEDORE: I don’t like it in here.
MORIAN: You’ll just make it worse.
STEVEDORE: Maybe you have a good gut, mister. Maybe you’re picking up on something I’m not.
MORIAN: I don’t think so. I just don’t want to do anything hasty.

EDIT: Looks like the interrogation of someone on the 14th BG. Those bracketed comments may indicate they are probing him somehow. I think they talk about the desertion of Admiral Bei.

[niffiwan]

Vice Admiral Morian took over command of the 14th after Bei defected.
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Journey%27s_End

[Phantom Hoover]

>one time pad split between public forum and pm
>completely equivalent to just pming

what is this, amateur hour

[JSRNerdo]

Well it's less evil than a three-step viginere/caesar shift, and then an AES-256 onto a polybius square which we'd have to figure out with the hint "I think polygamy is rad"

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Well, this was less complicated than expected, thnak you very much The Dagger (although I did get to read a bunch of good stuff about cryptography on wikipedia) :

Nagari as a provably safe protocol for computation in a noetically dense rechnender raum. Keller, Menes, Djehuti. In The Gauntlet 9(3).
Subjects: Nagari, noospheres, computational physics

The researchers use first principles to derive safe operations in a range of noetically dense ontos, including stack configurations commonly derived in analysis of failsafe swarm redoubts. Difficulties of low bleed exchanges across physical domains are discussed. Structural rhyme analysis cannot inform model dependent invasiveness in violations of claim space inequalities, suggesting that available resources should be redistributed towards Djehuti projects. The work introduces a foundation for bottom-up reasoning about nonlocal encoding and retrieval events across involuted topologies in the subspace laminae. Speculation about end state rechnender raum resource allocation occupies no more than one paragraph.

Nagari as a provably unsafe protocol for computation in a noetically dense rechnender raum. Keller, Menes, Irike. In The Gauntlet 9(14)
Subjects: Nagari, noospheres, computational physics, efficient allocation of resources, humor, not funny

The researchers construct a rechnender raum in which the protocols derived by Keller, Menes, Djehuti (2385) can be exploited by Think About Mes to recruit arbitrary claim space. A proof of the insecurity of these protocols is proposed, including an estimate of the required dumb crunch for a brute force proof. A petition is advanced for the construction of an ontos which can perform this proof using resources efficiently reallocated from Djehuti projects. As a side effect, strong godlike control over conventional spacetime could be obtained. Speculation about end state rechnender raum resource allocation occupies no less than one paragraph.

[AdmiralRalwood]

STEVEDORE: Push. Push. It’s moving. What was he like?
...
[reward: door progress]
...
STEVEDORE: How did that go? Push. Push, man.
MORIAN: No. Rest. We might be making it worse. They’ll come get us.
...
STEVEDORE: I’m getting claustrophobic. Let’s push.
MORIAN: No. We don’t know what we’re doing. Stop. Stop. We have to wait for help.
STEVEDORE: I don’t like it in here.
MORIAN: You’ll just make it worse.
STEVEDORE: Maybe you have a good gut, mister. Maybe you’re picking up on something I’m not.
MORIAN: I don’t think so. I just don’t want to do anything hasty.

So, they manufactured an incident in which Morian is... stuck in a lift? Trapped in some sort of small compartment with this Stevedore individual (name doesn't ring a bell; anyone recognize it?). The environment is controlled (the specific scent of a warship's CIC can be pumped in), but the illusion that they are stuck is being directed at Morian in the hope that Stevedore can get information out of him (information he may not even be consciously aware of).

Suddenly very reminded of Captain White (or should I say WIZARD MAN?) and his "debriefings".

EDIT: This may be helpful to understand the second fragment.

[Damage]

(Former?) Admiral Morian is being interrogated at Blackbird Village post-AoA.  Invasive measures.  Ditto it's probably WIZARD MAN (or possibly a colleague of his.)

It almost reads like he's under hypnosis.  Or even in some kind of therapy.

Is "reverse therapy" a thing?  Putting someone in a therapy-type setting as a cover for really getting into their head?  Would be especially useful if you had some kind of future-tech that allowed you direct access to people's minds...like Project Nagari or something derived from it.

[Celendil]

[prime: infrasonic dread cue, 50ms retinal array nova imagery]
[prime: infrasonic dread cue, transcranial ephemera, 25ms retinal array shivan imagery]
[reward: door progress]
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log] — Stop that sleeper ship from escaping.
[prime: olfactory cue, warship cic scent pattern]
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — Stop escaping.
[prime: subliminal audio cue, orestes log fragment] — escaping. escaping. escaping.
[prime: free association array] — escaping prisoner jail contagion pathogen pet threat danger

The "priming" of the subject implied by the quoted parts of the record are interesting to me in what they seem to reveal about GTI's methods of interrogation.

The way I read it, there's two ways to interpret them - one that Morian is in a sensory controlled environment, wearing something similar (but obviously advanced of) the Occulus, that's able to overlay imagery over whatever construct he's being subjected to, as well as provide olfactory and audio cues at a subliminal level, OR, and this is the scarier version, they're directly jacking into his audio, olfactory, and visual cortexes via a cranial shunt that's allowing them to directly subject him to the scenario constructed around him.

The latter seems more like the extreme methods of GTI, because it's also less likely to involve sensations external to whatever input they're controlling, like the weight of any headset, etc, which could distract the subject from what they want them to see.

Is this an example of normal interrogation methods for the GTI? Do they plan to use the same techniques on truth, or their associates and handlers?

[SmashMonkey]

What if we're looking at the entire war from the wrong perspective?

Lets start with what we do know: Laporte was created by Ken as a deniable asset, and her connections to the Shivans are covered up through Ken's actions. What does this tell us about Shivan behavior? A lot: That they have plan - that she is part of - which they do not want the Vishnans to find out about. And why have they not engaged in direct confrontation with each other? Because they both need each other for some unknown purpose. Doesn't this kind of behavior sound very very familiar? (FS1: Silent Threat - Mission 1: SOC trying to preserve the Tev-Vas alliance through containing "risks" to that bond)

What is Ken's ultimate goal? Destroy the GTVA.

And do the Vishnans want the UEF to win the war? No.

Think about it. They set up the UEF. They had the power to protect the UEF (Eg. Prevented the 14th at first from reaching Sol). But why not stop the GTVA thrust into Sol after the 14th returned?

So then, was the UEF was nothing more than bait? I mean, look at how helter-skelter the GTA got about Threat Two, which resulted in them attacking Sol. They practically played into the Vishnan's hands (do they even have hands in subspace?)

But why would the Vishans go through all of this trouble? Because somehow, humanity is a counter to their plans. And if they directly wiped out humanity, it would bring them into direct confrontation with the Shivans and possibly dissolve their alliance. Hence their indirect manipulation of humanity to get the Shivans to invoke the Terminal Protocol. Similarly, the Shivans cannot refuse to do so due to the politics of the Shiv-Vish alliance.

So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?

[Adderbane]

So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?

The Shivans are bound by the Terminal Protocool, which seems to limit their interactions with the Vishnans and other species.  If they break it, it seems implied something horrible will happen.  They also seem to be at a disadvantage with the Vishnans, since they were unable to destroy the 14th, even though they seemed to try pretty hard.  Perhaps they seek to use humanity to readjust the status quo.

There's something that they can't (or aren't allowed more likely) to do that humanity possibly can.

[Celendil]

So here's the big question: Why is humanity so important to the Shivans?

There's something that they can't (or aren't allowed more likely) to do that humanity possibly can.

I did a lot of thinking about this very question after playing the campaign, reading all of the canon, and a lot of the speculation, and I put a LOT of words down of my own speculation... here's a fragment of what I wrote:


It's impossible to say for sure, but the Shivans may have suspected for some time that the Vishnans had deviated from the original plan of the Terminal Protocol (I've outlined my guess as to what that is but I won't add it all here because it'll add two thousand words to this post, suffice to say that I think the Vishnans are the 'non phyiscal' guardians of the Summed Psyche that is the summation of every species that has ever advance to a post-physical existence, based in Subspace, and the Shivans are the physical 'gardeners' who remove species who can't/wont progress and/or pose a threat to others who could, as part of a plan originally developed by the Brahmans to prevent another catastrophic war, even though that war might have been what allowed the Brahmans to develop in the first place) The Shivans might not have suspected that the Vishnans were seeking to develop humanity to supersede the Shivans (this is my belief of what the Vishnans want for us, at least), but when they came close enough to sense the Vishnans Nagari influence on Earth (during the Second Incursion), their response seems to have been thus: interfere by developing the capability to liase with humanity like the Vishnans have with the Elders, I suspect by using Aken Bosch and the others who first approached them with the ETAK communication technology, to form the non-Shivan, non-Vishnana anima and granting it access to the Nagari network to allow it to manipulate potential agents on Earth, to counter the Vishnans.

Hence Noemi (and the others like her that Ken implies exist).

So the Vishnans plan has been stymied several times now - and Ubuntu, instead of spreading to the GTVA to form a compliant human race ready to be uplifted to replace the Shivans as the new gardeners, has been halted and contained by the GTVA, who have gone to war with Sol to prevent just that occuring, and they suspect that the Shivans have Nagari influenced agents just like Bei and his father, and now they feel like all their plans have been compromised.. so they're giving up, and they're going to cull humanity and the Vasudans, and search again for another agent to develop into their replacement for the Shivans.

Clearly, the Shivans don't want this, and here we come to my speculation for the bargain that the Shivans made with Bosch: Humanity WILL be uplifted, but rather than replacing the Shivans as the Gardeners, we will replace the Vishnans as the keepers of the Summed Psyche.

There are obvious difficulties with this - the Summed Pysche requires a level of psychological development that humans haven't yet reached - except potentially for some of those in the Sol system, under Ubuntu. (Ironically, having been conditioned by the Vishnans). This is why Ken doesn't want the GTVA to destroy the UEF, why he knows for certain that it will result in the end of humanity - but in essence, the Shivans will spare humanity destruction for long enough as it takes to develop to the point where we can take control of the Summed Psyche and become the new keepers, while the Shivans continue to tend to the 'gardens'. Taking over as guardians/controllers of the Summed Psyche is the "one thing they [the Shivans] can't do," because they are calculators, not curators. Once a race sublimes into the Summed Psyche, they are beyond the calculations of the physical world which the Shivans now control, and because of this the Shivans are unable to be both Gardener and Curator and require a partner, and THAT is what they want with us.

Though now that I think about it, Noemi's ability to set aside everything and become a finely tuned killing machine almost make her more Shivan than Vishnan. Perhaps she could be the go-between, for the future uplifted humanity as the curators of the Summed Psyche, and the Shivans who continue their work as gardners.