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Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Okay, i played Transcend, and it scared the snot out of me, but i still dont get it. Is this 'transcendant' in the pegasus, did he supposedly fly to the EDGE of the universe and come back with some sort of special freaky powers? or is it just some nebula ghost?

 

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This needs to be moved to here.

I never really "got" Transcend anyways.
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
It was a side-story to the Sync campaign, according to Ransom.

There's actually been speculation as to whether or not a certain character in Sync could have become the Transcendant we see in Transcend.

The discussion took place here. I urge to read through it, it is very interesting. (Although make sure you have played entirely through Transcend and Sync before you do!)

My take on the Transcendant is in the spoiler tags below:

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The way I understood it, he was somehow "disconnected" from the universe, and, thus, all of reality itself. Outside of reality, his "being" or "essence" or whatever, grew beyond the bounds of what could be contained by the rules of reality, so when he tried to re-enter our universe, it couldn't contain him, and so began to unravel. "Killing" him either destroyed him and saved the universe, or just "disconnected" him again, except he didn't try coming back, knowing what it could cause (the latter I presume is viable since, at the end of the "time rewinding movie", you see the Transcendant briefly, as though he was the one who rewound everything).
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I'm just curious; at the end, in the subspace tunnel? Do you actually 'kill' the Transcendent, or do you actually just kill him until the node collapses? Cuz I honestly freaked and whippped out a flak gun to murder him.
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Hmm.. I have to play those again... I never finished.

 

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I presume Sync is some where around HLP. I just copy the folder into my FS2 directory?
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No... I'd use the Installer, or else put Sync in its own directory.  (Installer, see my siggy.)

 

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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
I presume Sync is some where around HLP. I just copy the folder into my FS2 directory?

Yes, same way as you copied the Transcend folder into your FS2 directory!
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I presume Sync is some where around HLP. I just copy the folder into my FS2 directory?

Yes, same way as you copied the Transcend folder into your FS2 directory!

My Transcend came with my FS2. As well as the FS1 port, Derelict, Inferno_R1, Sol_a_History an mediavps. Oh, and cardinal spear.
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/karajorma/FAQ/installingmods.html

Take a look at that while looking at your Transcend folder. Then make a folder called Sync in the same way.

You actually have an advantage over most people who had to learn the hard way in that the installer gives you a whole bunch of mods that have been installed correctly to show you how it's done. Most of us had to learn from trial and error or just from guides like that one. :)
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Okay, i played Transcend, and it scared the snot out of me, but i still dont get it. Is this 'transcendant' in the pegasus, did he supposedly fly to the EDGE of the universe and come back with some sort of special freaky powers? or is it just some nebula ghost?

Transcend's story is possibly one of the most confusing and open-ended storylines I've ever come across for movies, campaigns, books, et al.  That's not a bad thing, as speculation is good, but I don't think anyone's come across one definitive theory yet.

Spoiler:
If you listen to the Transcendant's messages and then play Sync, you'll notice some startingly similarities.  Not just coincidences like "Yes, sir" or "I'm going in", but really key lines from Sync are present in the messages.  For example:
"Me to--luck, but I'd rather take my cha--...ivans" (Transcend--dashes and dots are distortions)
"Me too.  Good luck, but I'd rather take my chances with the Shivans." (Sync, one of Phi wing's messages before leaving the Persistence)
"It isn't our time to die!" (one of the Transcendant's final messages)
"No, damn it!  It isn't our time to die!" (Alpha 3's line when encountering the Hedetet)
That leads me to believe that they're some sort of Sync-Transcend connection other than just being a side story, as if the Transcendant was one of the Sync characters, or an onlooker in Sync.  Compare the Transcendant's Pegasus with the unknown Terran ship in Sync's first mission for real confusion.

There's also some other references in Transcend.  If you're a fan of sci-fi horror, some Transcendant lines should be familiar:  "Do you see?"  followed by a short, sharp "No!" were the last words of Sam Neil's character in Event Horizon.  When you compare Event Horizon's story to Sync's, you see similarities:  a ship is sent to the far reaches of space through the use of a powerful subspace drive, and then returns several years later and brings all sorts of nasty with it.

So, basically, my theory is that one of the Sync characters, most likely Beta 2, since he was closest to being the one who wanted to stop the Sync drive before it destroyed all of mankind.  When he was killed in the last few missions, he must have transcended beyond his reality, and used his new power to lure Marcell and the Shadow Hunters to him to kill him.  Now, you might ask, what good would killing Beta 2 do if he had already been killed?  Easy--that purple nebula where all the weird crap happened must've been where the Transcendant was fully able to alter time, and if you killed the Transcendant (i.e. Beta 2) at the right point in time, Beta 2 wouldn't have existed.  Therefore, the Persistence wouldn't have had an escort, and therefore the events of Sync would likely have not played out.

You can see the Transcendant trying to alter the events of Sync in the early parts of Sync itself through eliminating certain characters or stopping the events.  First, he tries to collapse the node in the first mission to keep Alpha wing from ever making it to the Sync storyline in the first place.  Second, he sends out those mysterious waves of Hercs throughout the first few missions of Sync to try to kill off Alpha wing and the freighters before they reach the Persistence.  Finally, he attempts to totally stop the Sync events by sending in the Carthage to arrest all of the main characters, and that's when Persistence panics and uses the subspace drive.  Beta 2 going mad after the jump may have been the Transcendant (i.e. his future self) possessing him (you don't see the Pegasus at any other point in Sync, plus Beta 2 tries to destroy the Farae in one mission and consistently warns the Persistence crew about the Sync drive).

Now, the final subspace mission in Transcend.  There are two possibilities as to exactly what this is.  One, it could be, as I theorized earlier, that the Transcendant (Beta 2) was using his powers to go back in time slightly to make it possible for Marcell to kill his past self (before he was an escort for Persistence in Sync), and therefore the chaos theory might lead to Sync having never played out at all.  Another theory is that that node that you enter might be the same node that the Transcendant tried to collapse in the first Sync mission.  By bringing the Chondral, Generation, et al. into the corridor, he set about the process of finally collapsing the node, and killing the Transcendant may have brought the being some closure or a release from his state (his last words are "Thank you" just before he sends Marcell back to his point where he had started intervening).  Killing off the Transcendant, the Shadow Hunters, and all of the main characters other than Marcell and the guy you escort in the first Transcend mission sets everything back to normal.

In the end, you have Beta 2 dead, so Persistence is without an escort, and the node that Alpha wing wanted so badly to escape through in the first Sync mission collapsed, leaving Alpha wing and the Tether either lost or dead.  Therefore, the events of Sync never play out.  Once Marcell's part in Transcend is over, he's sent back to his own time.
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Interesting theories Nuclear, but...

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I believe the Persistence, without Beta wing in the picture, would simply have requisitioned another wing of bombers to help. As the Ester would have found another wing of mercs in the event of Alpha not being available.
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Interesting theories Nuclear, but...

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I believe the Persistence, without Beta wing in the picture, would simply have requisitioned another wing of bombers to help. As the Ester would have found another wing of mercs in the event of Alpha not being available.

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True, but I think chaos theory has more to do with it than anything.  There's that idea that if you go back in time and kill a butterfly, there's the chance that there'll be a different President when you come back.  Maybe killing Alpha or Beta would've altered the timeline so drastically that Sync or the Transcendant wouldn't have even existed.

Or hey, even supposing the Persistence did try to get new bombers and the Farae did get a new wing of Mercs.  The entire storyline depended on how Sarah, Max, and Phi reacted to the Persistence's actions.  Max stuck around with the Persistence only long enough to try to get Sarah back.  Who's to say another merc group would have been that emotionally connected? If there was a different team going on, maybe the tensions would've been enough to split everyone up and end up getting everybody killed in the Vasudan nebular area.  Or if Persistence hadn't gotten another wing of bombers, maybe Phi's commanders would've been less-than-interested in committing to the mission?

Again, this is just a huge theory, and I'm not even sure if Ransom even knows the answer anymore. But yeah, that's a good point.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2007, 03:48:26 pm by nuclear1 »
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Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
... Therefore i must quickly finish my homework and then hang a 'DnD' sign outside my room door, settle down with a me, FRED and FS2 for the weekend.
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Well to tell you the truth, I played Transcend first and I kinda understood the storyline. I just finished Sync and I don't even know what the hell just happened.  :confused:

 

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Freaky. I was reading the thread, and the ad at the top of the page was advertising 'Sync e-mail' o_O
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Re: Transcend is....O.o (possible spoilers)
Well to tell you the truth, I played Transcend first and I kinda understood the storyline. I just finished Sync and I don't even know what the hell just happened.  :confused:
I think I can help you on one major point...
Spoiler:
The red nebula at the end is Capella post-supernova.  The Shivans use Sync to go through the collapsed node, thus dooming the GTVA.
Spoon - I stand in awe by your flawless fredding. Truely, never before have I witnessed such magnificant display of beamz.
Axem -  I don't know what I'll do with my life now. Maybe I'll become a Nun, or take up Macrame. But where ever I go... I will remember you!
Axem - Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete. It is missing... Voice Acting.
Quanto - I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.
Nuclear1 - I want a duet.
AndrewofDoom - Make it a trio!

 

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Why is there is a freighter called "Nothing" in the final subspace sequence?
Why is there is a freighter called "Nothing" in the final subspace sequence?

Why is that freighter there??

"Nothing
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  Cargo: nothing
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The first time I was on this level, once I began to face off against the Transcendant One, and he kept coming back, I had some sort of gut feeling that if I blew this freighter up, that was the way to defeat him.  Because I figured, he is Everything and he is also Nothing (just like he is a Triumph and a Failure)... but the freighter's invulnerable.

So why is it here?

Please give me your theories on this one... even if they are crazy ones

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« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 02:22:47 am by Euth »