[asyikarea51]

Another one of those where I don't know if it should go into the SCP section or in the Modding section.





Steve-O's Wraith model, in case anyone wonders.

This is one weird error I've been getting and the only solution I have right now is to simply remove "show ship" from the list of ship flags.

This all started when I wanted an external model of Gatling gun barrels to show. Got the model, got the texture, put in the relevant lines in the TBLs. On two other fighters it worked fine but then when I start the test level with the Wraith, this happens.

Removing the external model and the model's texture (and some lines from the TBL but I don't know what exactly I removed and/or kept) solved it, but then I tried again to get the guns to show without this problem, only for it to become worse...

Deleted the external Gatling model and the texture again... but now this window bug's stuck for real. Traced the problem to a texture for ANOTHER ship, an earlier version of Steve's Lancer without the external pylons. The problem texture's not in the list of textures for the Wraith... so why it's even affecting the Wraith, I have no idea. Removing this texture, I fix this problem, but it also means the wings and cockpit on the Lancer will go invisible.

Renaming the texture file and/or renaming the texture name in the Lancer POF doesn't work either.

Debug build spews out nothing but MOI errors (one ship gets the error twice in a row ), so I'm somewhat certain it's not my tables making things go wrong...

Any modder out there with any ideas...?

[ssmit132]

I'm not really a modder, but the only thing I can think of is getting rid of the cache.

Hope this helps (but I doubt it).

[asyikarea51]

I did try that, even using those anti-recovery deletion methods. It didn't work.

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[Akalabeth Angel]

   It looks like the canopy glass isn't transparent. Which is odd because I don't think most people bother texturing the glass on the inside.

[asyikarea51]

The cockpit area isn't transparent at all, unless I don't understand the meaning of what you're trying to say.

Real odd... the texture that's causing the problem isn't even used on this ship! !!!

[ssmit132]

The cockpit area isn't transparent at all, unless I don't understand the meaning of what you're trying to say.

The GLASS, The bit you CAN'T see through, is not transparent.

Which is odd because I don't think most people bother texturing the glass on the inside.

Try making the faces that should be transparent invisible from the inside.

[asyikarea51]

Try making the faces that should be transparent invisible from the inside.

I'm guessing that means I have to decompile the model and mess around with it? Modeling is outside the scope of what I can do then...

Still staring at the folder structure and the tables for a while now, not too sure as to what to do with it at this point.

I'm thinking of starting from scratch all over again, new folder, new tables, files placed in again to see if that solves the problem. This only started showing up after all that external model stuff; I have this half-impression that it worked perfect before, only I didn't notice it was really perfect until things went wrong...

BTW in PCS2 when I zoom all the way into the ship cockpit, the inside faces are indeed invisible... is that counted or not? (though I guess maybe not because one example, PCS2 rendered the GTF Vampire's externally-viewed cockpit correctly, but it was see-through ingame)

[--Steve-O--]

yeah i ran into this problem when i changed builds. in 3.6.9 it worked great, in 3.6.10 it turned all the single sided polies into double sided. i have an updated version laying around that was converted to a transparent cockpit, its not finished... though, i just moved so i'm getting back up to speed here.

are there any of my other models showing this glitch??

[asyikarea51]

I haven't checked yet. Currently I've only gone through two Lancers and that Wraith, and I had to rename a texture while at it...

I can't promise, but I'll add table entries over the next couple of days and get to playtesting. Normally I tend to think twice when it comes to fighters without exterior cockpits, but this series is really something 

Build I'm using is from SVN and is probably a few days old at most, if that matters.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

I know the Wraith, the Jackal, the Thor and the Saracen have this. There could be more though.

[Droid803]

I just made the cockpit texture transparent.
This only shows up in 3.6.10 and not 3.6.9, so it must be a bug. (Or a bug fix that turned into a bug).

[asyikarea51]

Took a texture, did a REAL hackjob with the lasso and square select, deleted the cockpit portions of the texture and saved as DXT5.

Was that what you guys did? It works for me, so YEY, but now the texture size is like, double, and no pilot in the cockpit~ and yes I really didn't cut those parts of the texture properly... just drag and cut...

[Vertigo 7]

that was his "learning to use the force" model. the whole idea was to stretch out with your feelings and let the force guide you.

[Droid803]

Or in this case, use your targeting computer.

[asyikarea51]

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Nevermind... thanks for the help regardless