[IceFire]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/feb/27/can-these-scientists-end-climate-change-war

Have you guys heard about this Berkley Earth project? What do you guys think about this? It sounds interesting as it's a total ground up redo of a climate change study. It'll be interesting to see if it validates some of the other studies or it suggests different conclusions. I'm actually sort of excited to see what they say.

[Luis Dias]

They are not doing a "redo" of climage change. They are reassessing the temperature records, given multiple criticisms about data quality, statistical analysis of the data, interpolations, multiple levels of mathematical tinkerings with the data, etc., and providing the final output as open source code, so that everyone can view it, criticize it, improve it, etc.

Reassessment of the temperature records will not "end" global warming. It may merely confirm it. To what degree it will do, that will be interesting to witness. If they release a version where the final global output has a smaller warming trend than all the other temperature records out there, there will be controversy to no end. If they release a warmer version, the blogosphere will also go bananas with it.

All in all, entertainment is guaranteed .

[Sushi]

I like the look of this.

Go Science! Boo Politics!

[IceFire]

They are not doing a "redo" of climage change. They are reassessing the temperature records, given multiple criticisms about data quality, statistical analysis of the data, interpolations, multiple levels of mathematical tinkerings with the data, etc., and providing the final output as open source code, so that everyone can view it, criticize it, improve it, etc.

Reassessment of the temperature records will not "end" global warming. It may merely confirm it. To what degree it will do, that will be interesting to witness. If they release a version where the final global output has a smaller warming trend than all the other temperature records out there, there will be controversy to no end. If they release a warmer version, the blogosphere will also go bananas with it.

All in all, entertainment is guaranteed .

Well it is in effect a "redo"... they are gathering as much data as possible and conducting their own separate study independently. Unless somewhere along the line it was misrepresented. Quibbles.

I admit I am expecting their data to show that the climate is warming but you're right that it may show a different degree than past studies.

Entertainment for sure

[Luis Dias]

climate change theory is *more* than temperature records, that's what I meant .

[JCDNWarrior]

I could use some global warming right now here in the Netherlands... feels like the coldest year in a long time. Anyhow, let's see what these people may find.

[SypheDMar]

Global warming doesn't make every part of the Earth warmer. It warms some while cools others. It creates bigger extremes according to studies done prior to this one.

[Unknown Target]

The end of our initial climate?

[Bobboau]

you mean the one were the atmosphere was made up mostly of free hydrogen, methane, and ammonia and the surface was covered in molten rock flows?

[Pred the Penguin]

Like an ice age?

[QuantumDelta]

...Are you 4 even having the same conversation...?

[Nuke]

Like an ice age?

dont worry, we will just nuke the **** out of the ice caps.

[Pred the Penguin]

Wich would probably cause nuclear winter anyway...

[Snail]

Use MOABs instead then

[Pred the Penguin]

Just remembered something...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't melting ice caps what might cause an ice age... or was that methane.

[Nuke]

Wich would probably cause nuclear winter anyway...

then we can nuke all the cities too so they stay warm.

[Snail]

Give Nukes a Chance

[watsisname]

Just remembered something...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't melting ice caps what might cause an ice age... or was that methane.

Melting icecaps would enhance global warming, for two reasons
-Lower albedo due to less ice available to reflect solar radiation
-Methane release, which is a greenhouse gas

Though you may be thinking of the Day After Tomorrow scenario where the rapid influx of fresh water from the icecaps to the oceans causes a shutdown of the currents, which would bring colder temperatures to the northern hemisphere.

[Pred the Penguin]

That's what I was thinking about.... maybe. That would create...

...bigger extremes...