[yomi]

i noticed that primary weapons, and some secondary weapons are ineffective against larger ships,
but this rule seems to not apply to AI. I can shot for few minutes with maxim at larger ships and do nothing, but AI with subach hl7 can actually deal some damage preaty fast. Is this some kind of bug or is that supposed to work that way?

[Dragon]

Note, there are ussualy more AI ships than you.
I don't see any other reason why it could be happening.
Also, remember that capship can only be destroyed by weapons with "huge" flag.
Neither you nor AI can kill a capship without such weapons, but they can bring it down to 15% (IIRC).

[yomi]

i just checked:
1 erinyes AI fighter with maxim, could bring deimos to 89% in 30 seconds.
than i told my wingman to depart and started hiting deimos by myself(ofc i used the same ship and weapon)
after few minutes i managed to destroy every turret and subsystem, but deimos had 88% hp.
I managed to deal only 1% damage in few minutes?

[headdie]

What difficulty are you playing on?

[yomi]

What difficulty are you playing on?

normal

[The E]

i just checked:
1 erinyes AI fighter with maxim, could bring deimos to 89% in 30 seconds.
than i told my wingman to depart and started hiting deimos by myself(ofc i used the same ship and weapon)
after few minutes i managed to destroy every turret and subsystem, but deimos had 88% hp.
I managed to deal only 1% damage in few minutes?

If you concentrated on taking out turrets, that's pretty much what you'd expect to see. If a turret takes damage, that damage is never applied to the ship the turret is mounted on unless a few special flags are used.

[Qent]

If you concentrated on taking out turrets, that's pretty much what you'd expect to see. If a turret takes damage, that damage is never applied to the ship the turret is mounted on unless a few special flags are used.

I think it's the other way around.

[The E]

Yeah, you're right. My bad.

[Qent]

I'm getting the same results. I tried on Insane difficulty. My wingman was an Erinyes with all Maxims and no missiles with BP-General AI. In 30 seconds of firing (and running out of gun energy, by the way), the hostile Deimos was down to 88% hull. I tried the same thing by myself, and the Deimos was completely undamaged after 2 minutes of firing with all power to guns. I didn't target any specific subsystem.

[General Battuta]

What the...?

This is really weird. What builds are you guys on?

[Qent]

7109. I should probably find the latest now.

[General Battuta]

And can you compare vs 3.6.12 too please?

[Qent]

It's the same in 3.6.12 and r7237.

[General Battuta]

What the ****.

[The E]

That sounds like a rather serious regression there. Gotta check it out myself, I guess.

[yomi]

if i remember correct i had similar problem playing original freespace 2, few years ago, in mission "Exodus (FS2)",

[General Battuta]

Can you reproduce this issue on retail? 

[crizza]

On retail, there was some thing, when the damage you inflict upon a target stacks...like the lower the hitpoints of a ship are, the more damage you must inflict, untill you can't destroy it.

[Snail]

But that applied to AI as well as the player ("big damage"). This seems to only affect the player.

[The E]

Confirmed as only affecting the player.

However, there's a problem here. We can't actually fix this directly, as it seems this behaviour was present in retail as well. Now, granted, it doesn't really make any sense, but there you have it. AI will be more effective at killing Capships than players.

I think I'm going to intro an AI Profiles flag to alter this behaviour.