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Offline General Battuta

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Rape, and why it's not a good topic
I would enjoy a Let's Play series of you figuring out that 'rape' is not a synonym for 'lose a video game'

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
RAPE
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:51 < Achillion> yes
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21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

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11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Rape can be used as a figurative term; I used it right in context, particularily as I was referring to my in-game forces getting 'raped' as opposed to myself IRL.  :)  Sorry, did I offend?

You didn't offend, you just showed that you've got some growing up to do.

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Rape can be used as a figurative term; I used it right in context, particularily as I was referring to my in-game forces getting 'raped' as opposed to myself IRL.  :)  Sorry, did I offend?

You didn't offend, you just showed that you've got some growing up to do.

Just to spite you, for the future I'm going to try to cram that word into any conversation as much as possible.
People trying to deny legitimate usage of words is a pet peeve of mine.
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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Speaking of people needing to grow up.....
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
I really need lifе to touch me
--Evergrey, Where August Mourns

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Rape can be used as a figurative term; I used it right in context, particularily as I was referring to my in-game forces getting 'raped' as opposed to myself IRL.  :)  Sorry, did I offend?

You didn't offend, you just showed that you've got some growing up to do.

Just to spite you, for the future I'm going to try to cram that word into any conversation as much as possible.
People trying to deny legitimate usage of words is a pet peeve of mine.

I'm not sure it's 'spiteful' -- it'd be like saying 'poop poop pee pee' all the time. It just makes you sound young.

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
I'm not sure it's 'spiteful' -- it'd be like saying 'poop poop pee pee' all the time. It just makes you sound young.

:nervous:

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Speaking of people needing to grow up.....

Yes, because looking down at others wiht their nose up ain the air because of usage of word you do not approve of is soooooo mature  :rolleyes:
Real sign of manhood.

Look, it's real simple. I won't allow anyone to tell me I can't use a word, phrase or comparison if that word, phrase or comparison makes sense and works. Using the word "rape" is not childish.


EDIT:

New patch for BIA.
Sector inventory, LoS, milita managment and a few otehr big changes. ;7 ;7 ;7
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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Look, it's real simple. I won't allow anyone to tell me I can't use a word, phrase or comparison if that word, phrase or comparison makes sense and works. Using the word "rape" is not childish.

It's at least childish and at most disrespectful.  Equating by comparison a term for a serious sexual assault to a loss/setback in a [video] game shows a significant lack of maturity, sensitivity, or both.  Go on using it in that context all you like, but no one is going to praise your maturity for doing so (quite the opposite in fact) - which was Battuta's point to begin with.
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Look, it's real simple. I won't allow anyone to tell me I can't use a word, phrase or comparison if that word, phrase or comparison makes sense and works. Using the word "rape" is not childish.

You're allowed to use it! You are allowed to say doo doo poop all the time and call people niggers, too. It's completely up to you!

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Look, it's real simple. I won't allow anyone to tell me I can't use a word, phrase or comparison if that word, phrase or comparison makes sense and works. Using the word "rape" is not childish.

It's at least childish and at most disrespectful.  Equating by comparison a term for a serious sexual assault to a loss/setback in a [video] game shows a significant lack of maturity, sensitivity, or both.  Go on using it in that context all you like, but no one is going to praise your maturity for doing so (quite the opposite in fact) - which was Battuta's point to begin with.

No, it shows you are controlling, overbearing, oversensitive and overreacting.
Equating terms have been used forever, and in far worse contexts. For example, you got plenty of different terms for death, sex or torture, and they are all often used.
If using the wrod "rape" is insensitive because rape is bad, then using the word "murder" should also be, because murder is worse.
Isn't death worse than rape?
Wouldn't using that be even more childish by comparison?
So on, your arbitary laws on what's right and what's not that have no basis in logic don't interest me.



You're allowed to use it! You are allowed to say doo doo poop all the time and call people niggers, too. It's completely up to you!

Given that we just established that context doesn't matter at all, only the usage, then your own usage of the word "poop" means you are also now being immature....

Oh dear...
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 01:52:13 am by TrashMan »
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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
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Isn't death worse than rape?

You have quite obviously never talked to a rape victim. Or tried to inform yourself on the issue.
If I'm just aching this can't go on
I came from chasing dreams to feel alone
There must be changes, miss to feel strong
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Isn't death worse than rape?
Most likely you'll remember RAPE.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
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18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
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11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

Offline TrashMan

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
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Isn't death worse than rape?

You have quite obviously never talked to a rape victim. Or tried to inform yourself on the issue.

Have you talkined to the family and friends of people who have been brutally murdered?

IF using the word rape is insensitive because a rape victim may read it, then using the word murder is even more insensitive, because people who lost their loved ones might read it.


Either way, how is this related to Jagged Alliance again?


EDIT:
@Titan - I heard they have no plan for brinign back the IMP. Something about causing problems with the rating?????
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 05:38:10 am by TrashMan »
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Damn son, it's like a Reddit thread in here

e: I guess it's important to make clear: the difference between rape and murder is that there is no culture of murder. Murderers are psychopaths and everyone agrees they suck; college students don't pass around tips on how best to murder their classmates; attempted murder survivors aren't scared to come forward and say 'help, someone tried to murder me'; and murder isn't a joke to most of the internet demographic.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 07:39:52 am by General Battuta »

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
e: I guess it's important to make clear: the difference between rape and murder is that there is no culture of murder. Murderers are psychopaths and everyone agrees they suck; college students don't pass around tips on how best to murder their classmates; attempted murder survivors aren't scared to come forward and say 'help, someone tried to murder me'; and murder isn't a joke to most of the internet demographic.

a) I don't see what difference that makes to the usage of the word. Unless you think not using the word will magicly change the world. Immoral people will do immoral things.
 
b) Yes, yes it is. Jokes involving death and killing are everywhere. Internet is practicly powered by death threats.
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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
It's about maintaining a non-creepy, non-threatening atmosphere. A bunch of guys casually dropping rape all over the place suggests to newcomers that HLP is:

1) full of neckbeards who have never really interacted with or empathized with women

2) probably not going to be very aggressive about stamping out creeps

now granted this is a 75% accurate impression butttttttttttt

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Can someone split lock all this rape stuff now? I'm sure staying on topic will be just as good for newcomer retention as not saying rape.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Can someone split lock all this rape stuff now? I'm sure staying on topic will be just as good for newcomer retention as not saying rape.

This is a pretty interesting discussion. Split I can see, but I'm not sure why you'd want to lock it?

Of course it's certainly easier to just not think about it, that's much less stressful

 

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Re: Rape, and why it's not a good topic
Can someone split lock all this rape stuff now? I'm sure staying on topic will be just as good for newcomer retention as not saying rape.

This is a pretty interesting discussion. Split I can see, but I'm not sure why you'd want to lock it?

Of course it's certainly easier to just not think about it, that's much less stressful

I never really had any intention of contributing to the rape topic in any meaningful way, and since the only person that really seems to be contesting your points can't post in general discussion it seems unfair to continue.