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what do you think about the new setup

Like the placement, hate the split.
13 (26%)
Like the placement, like the split.
5 (10%)
Hate the placement, hate the split.
19 (38%)
Hate the placement, like the split.
5 (10%)
No feelings on the issue.
8 (16%)

Total Members Voted: 50

Voting closed: March 26, 2007, 12:55:42 am

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Offline Bobboau

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is this realy an improvement
some people have mentioned that it is only a minority of people who don't like the new setup, well let's just see.
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Offline Turey

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Re: is this realy an improvement
I'm not sure.  :doubt:
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Offline Mars

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Re: is this realy an improvement
I don't hate it... I disagree with it a bit on a theoretical level, but it doesn't really effect me... but since that was the only disagree option.

 

Offline Bobboau

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Re: is this realy an improvement
you could have called me an idiot.
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Offline Desert Tyrant

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Re: is this realy an improvement
But i'm not acting like a dick today.. :sigh:

 

Offline redsniper

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Re: is this realy an improvement
I don't actually hate the placement, but I don't like it either so I voted hate/hate.
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Offline Ashrak

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Re: is this realy an improvement
i think its gay
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Offline Taristin

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.
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Offline jr2

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Second option, but make some changes...
See
New Hard Light format
(vote in that poll too, it has more options...)

 

Offline Mr. Vega

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.

Not enough to be completely ignored, now we are required to be all nice and politically correct?
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: is this realy an improvement
It makes no difference to me for the simple reason that I seldom look at where posts are unless I make a new thread myself. I just check unread posts and new replies and read the interesting stuff. I use about the same method on every forum I go to, so personally I wonder at this seemingly large outcry from many members. Well, it's a welcome change to debating about abortion, evolution, politics and religion. If anything this somehow reminds me of a certain Python classic...

Quote
(...)
-What?
-Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
-Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
-OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
-Oh, I see, well, that explains it.

So, why don't we expand the GenDisc section to an "Argument Clinic" containing Arguments, Abuse, Headbanging and Complaints?

Arguments would contain the stuff where people actually use the generally accepted means of arguing; abuse would include the flamefests and insultory remains of old topics. Headbainging would be the second home of those who are willing to talk about things that usually turn into threads so full of failures of argumentation that the frustration becomes tangible wall to which bang their heads, and Complaints would be the home of... this kind of stuff. :rolleyes:

I never had any problem with the old layout for the exact same reasons I don't really mind the new layout to one or another direction... But I do understand that this is, and has never been, not first and foremost a general discussion forum. A general discussion section is good to have, but this is originally pretty specialized forum/community revolving around FS2, FS2_Open, their mods and upgrades, space gaming, gaming and other stuff in about that order of importance. Splitting the off topic to multiple threads is debatable, but doesn't really matter to me however it'll settle out.

Another thing I don't really understand is the amount of attention some (not all) people point on post counts. If there was some reliable way to convert that into signal to noise ratio, that would be better indicator, but as that is subjective I would rather leave it out of messages entirely. If someone has so big interest on their own (or others') post counts, they can check them from user stats.

...

Btw, political correctness can be a source of endless hilarity or agony, depending on the point of view. I choose the former just because it's usually easier to laugh at things that to rant about them. Ranting can be satisfying as well, but I tend to use it as last resort if I can't find anything laughable at matters.
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Offline jr2

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Learn to use proper adjectives, ashrak, or have your opinion ignored. "gay" can mean either happy and cheerful, or homosexual. Since the forum has no gender and therefore no sexual orientation, one must assume you mean that the change is great.

Not enough to be completely ignored, now we are required to be all nice and politically correct?
That would help, when you can see that people are getting very upset.  Use good judgement... :D

 

Offline kode

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Re: is this realy an improvement
DAMN! I misvoted. I wanted to vote for "Hate the placement, hate the split", not "Hate the placement, like the split", even though I hate them just as much.
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Offline Bobboau

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Re: is this realy an improvement
isn't there a way to unvote?
hmm I thought I saw that at some point.

well it's still a form of hate...
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Offline kode

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Yeah, this forum engine supports unvoting, but it seems this forum does not.
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- Ambrose Bierce
<Redfang> You're almost like Stryke 9 or an0n
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

 

Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: is this realy an improvement
well it's still a form of hate...


Yeah, it's funny to follow things unfolding...

   1. Denial - The initial stage.: "It can't be happening."
   2. Anger .: "How dare you do this to me?!" (either referring to God, the moderators/admins, or oneself)
   3. Bargaining .: "Just let me us have our board a little more similar as it looked like before..."
   4. Depression .: "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"
   5. Acceptance .: "Perhaps these boards will be a better place after some time with the changes..."

 ;7
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Offline Ghostavo

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Re: is this realy an improvement
Although I dislike the placement I can live with it, but please, put the general FreeSpace related forums near the top above the general Gaming ones (and one could argue to put the gaming ones near the bottom above the general discussion ones). If one argues that this placement was done for people to see the focus of the community, the current placement doesn't make sense.

As for the split, this is an idea I still don't understand why. It makes absolutly no sense to have 3 general discussion forums. Even more when one of them is hidden from the majority of the users.

Also... I've never seen Bobboau like this...  :shaking:
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Offline Inquisitor

Re: is this realy an improvement
Polls posted by people out of frustration tend to lead to bad data.

You want some real counts, go count the actual opinions in some of those threads. Code the survey to those opinions.

Having a big bucket that will naturally lead to a bigger number will make the statistic pretty useless.

-edit-
gah, meant that for the other poll, and having two of these is confusing, and now we have the conversation in 3 or 4 places.

If you really want a survey, go to that post in the padded cell forum and count individuals, then code the opinions as follows, and do it in stages, so first pass:

1) identify all the positives and all the generally negatives and al lthe purely apathetic ones.
2) Second pass, take all the positives and see if there are common themes (like the position, hate the split)
3) do the same for the negatives.

Then you will have useful numbers, and even the start of a useful survey. Creating useful statistics that AREN'T subverted by the choices initially is an art/science.

-edit-
I wish I could spell. more coffee, hopefully that was not opaque enough to make my point nonsense.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2007, 09:22:13 am by Inquisitor »
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Offline Davros

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Re: is this realy an improvement
"Like the placement, hate the split"

whats the split ?

 

Offline jr2

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Re: is this realy an improvement
The split of the Hard Light Forum (General Discussion) into The Pub, The Meeting Hall (exclusively for those who ask to join), and The Padded Cell (where nutso stuff gets put, or supposed nutso stuff... if ppl start misbehaving, the thread gets put here).