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have any of them covered Jan-May 1940?  Up until Dunkerque?.
Not as far as I know.  Pretty much all of that was retreating from the Nazis, no real action took place until North Africa.  And Russia was pretty much the same thing. They simply kept getting forced back until Stalingrad.  WWII only really got started in earnest when America got involved and started kicking fascist ass in both the Pacific and the Atlantic.
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[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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have any of them covered Jan-May 1940?  Up until Dunkerque?.
Not as far as I know.  Pretty much all of that was retreating from the Nazis, no real action took place until North Africa.  And Russia was pretty much the same thing. They simply kept getting forced back until Stalingrad.  WWII only really got started in earnest when America got involved and started kicking fascist ass in both the Pacific and the Atlantic.

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No. The Germans were certainly fighting. The Poles fought. The French and British fought their asses off (the Battle of Britain was the turning point of the European war and Americans were hardly involved.) The Chinese? Dear God, did they fight.

History, my friend. History.

Also, this is an international foru, so a lot of people in areas of the world hit hard by WWII are going to be quite upset with the idea that their particular slices of history weren't really 'part of the war'.

 

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have any of them covered Jan-May 1940?  Up until Dunkerque?.
Not as far as I know.  Pretty much all of that was retreating from the Nazis, no real action took place until North Africa.  And Russia was pretty much the same thing. They simply kept getting forced back until Stalingrad.  WWII only really got started in earnest when America got involved and started kicking fascist ass in both the Pacific and the Atlantic.
I suspect that you need to open up a few more history books.  The Polish fought bitterly for about as long as their inadequate army and airforce could hold up (BTW: Polish fighter pilots flying outdated P.11c's shot down 232 aircraft that were MUCH more modern).  There were numerous and subsequent engagements between the French and British Expeditionary forces although yes that was sort of a running retreat once the Germans broke through.

But then came the really big fights. The Battle of Britain was a definining battle of the war.  That was definitely a stand up fight.  And then the next major battles were the actions after Operation Barbarossa including an absolutely brutal struggle not that far from Moscow.  That all took place prior to the US invovement in World War II.  Pre-WWII America was strictly opposed to intervention in the conflict and remained steadfastly so (except for Eisenhower and a few other major figures) until the Japanese launched their strike on Pearl Harbor.

So no...the war was quite well underway by the time the US was involved.  I haven't even mentioned Khalkin Gol or all of the fighting that took place in China pre December 1941.  And once the US did get into the war they weren't even ready for it...production ramped up quickly but most of the services were ill prepared for what was required.  Case in point...the USAAF didn't have a fighter capable of operating on the Western Front or over the Channel until 1943 when the first of the P-47D Thunderbolts arrived. Even those needed some work before they were turned into a superb fighter.
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Yeah, I know they fought, but they didn't accomplish anything besides delaying the inevitable.  Except in Britain's and Russia's case where they actually managed to win.  Effort without results is meaningless.  And remember, most gaming companies and a large portion of the gamer market is in Western Europe and North America.  And I doubt Americans and British want to play as losing Polish or Chinese.  I certainly wouldn't want to play a WWII game as Polish soldier facing down the Nazi hordes in a fight that I can't win.  Its not just because I'm an American, but simply because I don't like losing, even if it is inevitable.  Imagine the end-game as the Polish or Greeks, "Oh hey, you won the campaign, but I'm sorry, your side lost the war, even though you won."  Not very fun to win a campaign to find out you still lost.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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So then, you hate the main storyline of FS2?  Facing down hordes of Juggernauts in a fight you can't win, only delay the inevitable?   :wtf:

 
No, because you win and stop the Shivans, even at great cost.  The GTVA may be battered and broken, but it isn't conquered.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
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[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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I love how people compare real history to FS history.

 

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No, because you win and stop the Shivans, even at great cost.

Until you see the 80+ saths.  Then it becomes "Dunkerque" (That's actually one of the mission names IIRC) for the GTVA.  You don't win.  You escape, barely.

 

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I love how people compare real history to FS history.

To a point, real history is FS history. :p

 

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Yeah, I know they fought, but they didn't accomplish anything besides delaying the inevitable.

*headdesk*

How...sensitive of you.

 
Yeah, but FS2 gets to stop after Dunkerque.  Not just the game, but that 'history' stops.  And so there's no one going "Well, why the **** ain't I getting to play as Captain Kirk in the battle of the Earth Gate 3 months later?"

 

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Yeah, I know they fought, but they didn't accomplish anything besides delaying the inevitable.
So you're saying thousands of people's deaths were pointless then.

  

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Yeah, I know they fought, but they didn't accomplish anything besides delaying the inevitable.
So you're saying thousands of people's deaths were pointless then.

And what about all the young soldiers on the Japanese and German sides who did fight and die to accomplish something?

We have the luxury of victory. We get to assign the 'hero' badge to our young folks. But we shouldn't forget about them, no matter how wrong their causes.

 

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Yeah, I know they fought, but they didn't accomplish anything besides delaying the inevitable.  Except in Britain's and Russia's case where they actually managed to win.  Effort without results is meaningless.  And remember, most gaming companies and a large portion of the gamer market is in Western Europe and North America.  And I doubt Americans and British want to play as losing Polish or Chinese.  I certainly wouldn't want to play a WWII game as Polish soldier facing down the Nazi hordes in a fight that I can't win.  Its not just because I'm an American, but simply because I don't like losing, even if it is inevitable.  Imagine the end-game as the Polish or Greeks, "Oh hey, you won the campaign, but I'm sorry, your side lost the war, even though you won."  Not very fun to win a campaign to find out you still lost.
Fighting...winning or loosing is still "real action" as you put it.  The war did not start when the US entered it...lots of stuff going on before that.  And say for instance we follow the life of a Polish soldier. The war didn't end for many of them when Poland was invaded.  Large numbers of troops regrouped in the Middle East and Egypt and went on to fight in the campaigns in North Africa, the invasion of Sicily, and at Italy.  Especially Monte Casino.

That whole front is very poorly represented in the WWII shooter realm.
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And what about all the young soldiers on the Japanese and German sides who did fight and die to accomplish something?

We have the luxury of victory. We get to assign the 'hero' badge to our young folks. But we shouldn't forget about them, no matter how wrong their causes.
Exactly.

 

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Sorry to interrupt the history education, but

CoD MW2

At first, I read this as Call of Duty: Mechwarrior 2. I'm pretty sure that would be better than whatever they're working on now.

*ahem* Carry on.
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Sorry to interrupt the history education, but

CoD MW2

At first, I read this as Call of Duty: Mechwarrior 2. I'm pretty sure that would be better than whatever they're working on now.

*ahem* Carry on.

A FPS in the Battletech universe, if done correctly, would be pretty neat. But it wouldn't be done correctly.

 

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Nope, everyone would be disappointed because of colossal expectations.

Honestly, can ANYTHING related to Call of Duty and MechWarrior (more properly BattleTech) live up to expectations?

 

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heh, you could be a foot soldier whose job is to disable and defeat Battlemechs. You'd be the Solid Snake of Battletech. :D
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The future makes happy, if you make it yourself.
No war; think about happy things."   -WouterSmitssm

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MechWarrior FPS-ish thing: http://www.moddb.com/mods/mechwarrior-living-legends.

Looks good.  I may grab Crysis just for it.  I hope they release it soon.  Need my MechWarrior fix.  Is Version 4 the latest MekTek package?
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems