[Scotty]

However, the Myrm has the guns to back up said missiles, and can carry 320 Tempests for a FFA dogfight.

[Narwhal]

Always believed that a dev. mistook Harpoon for Helios in the table. Would make more sense.

[Iranon]

Mekhus would be nice, Avengers + Flails would be even better. Still, at least the Myrmidon has enough cannon energy to support a quad bank of Prometheus S comfortably, unlike the Tauret. I don't really think Harpoon compatibility matters all that much... Tornados aren't bad at all, even though they don't tend to last as long. And the ability to have a midsized bank of tornados, enough Tempests to speed up your short-range kills and enough Trebuchets to take out the beam of a Lilith can be quite nice.

Myrmidon and Loki don't really compete against one another - if you can't make up your mind the Perseus is probably what you're looking for since it's a solid if slightly boring compromise.
The Loki lets you survive missions that would be lethal in anything else thanks to great flying characteristics and reasonable toughness/target profile; it pays for this with low sustainable firepower. The Myrmidon is great at killing things quickly before they shred your escort list (good combination of speed and firepower, with flexibility to boot) but it's not survivable at all because  neither shields nor profile nor agility stand out.

[Dilmah G]

Eh, IMO, the Tornadoes fill the Harpoon void. And who doesn't love the primaries on that baby?

[aurora_energy]

I don't mind the Myrm, but it seems a bit odd that it can't carry the [EDIT]Tornado[EDIT/] like it's predecessor, the Uly, can.

Im pretty sure the Uly you fly in FS2 was retrofitted to have higher stats then previously after the Tornado was developed, thus making it compatible with majority of weapons, as weapon tech did evolve significantly over the previous 32 years. The Myrm however was not and was developed before the Tornado. My theory behind is is because the Myrm was already compatible with majority of weapons anyway, thus retrofitting it with new missile banks for 1 additional type of missile would be a waste of resources to the GTVA

[Ziame]

@aurora_energy:

Um, Myrm can carry Tornadoes, it can't use Harpoons, so your little edit is

WRONG

[Rodo]

GO LOKI!

[Dragon]

I like Myrmidon for it's number of secondary and primary guns, because it allows me to prepare it for almost anything.
I'm ussualy using Maxims Morningstars on 2-gun bank, Kaysers on 4-gun one (I tend to make every shot count, so they're excellent for this), Tempests on first secondary bank, Trebs on the second and Helioses on third. It allows me to attack and destroy capships and fighters alike, as well as hunt bombers and bombs from long range. If properly handled, Myrmidon is the real all-around fighter.

[Qent]

Myrmidons can't carry Maxims. That said, I love it for the same reasons you stated.

[Dragon]

Myrmidons can't carry Maxims. That said, I love it for the same reasons you stated.

Correct, it most likely applied to either other fighter from some mod, it was basically Myrmidon with Maxims (or whatever succesor featured in this mod) and a couple of other upgrades (GTF Falcon from FOW: COTS?), or a Myrmidon with added new weapons, most notably from ITDOH (it wasn't Maxim, but some EMP device. It was still good anyway).
I'm using Morningstars or Akhetons on standard Myrmidon, which are enough to compensate for lack of Maxim.
Most of the time, Trebs are doing Maxim's work anyway, unless you're cut from support.

[Droid803]

However, the Myrm has the guns to back up said missiles, and can carry 320 Tempests for a FFA dogfight.

You're usually dead before you get to fire off 80, especially if you're in a myrm. The people in Lokis, Thoths, Persei, and other light fighters will fly circles around you. That's what happens to me when I take a heavy to a FFA.

Unless you totally outclass everyone else, in which case it hardly matters anymore.

In campaigns though, the Myrm is much better than the Loki. The Loki is specialized. The Myrm's a jack of all trades, master of none. (It does everything, it can even bomb, but it's never the best at what it does). I guess you could call that versatile...I just call it a tradeoff. It'd good at nothing but being decent at everything.

[Scotty]

Well, I can and do take it for FFA fights, and generally do well since I can spam three different kinds of missiles at people until they asplode. 

In a TvT fight, this is a nice fighter since it can counter just about anything without having to use a different ship for it.

That said, I can't really qualify my piloting ability, since almost every time I play, QD has been there (although I did manage to outlive him once!)

[NGTM-1R]

You know, the Myrmidon was a joint Terran/Vasudan development.

So you're saying that the fact they were using Serapis as their default anti-fighter craft during FS2 was a fit of madness, and we should have seen Vasudan units flying Myrmidons?

That...actually helps a lot.

[ChronoReverse]

Well, you have to trade off something for versatility.  It's hard to deny that the Myrmidon is very versatile even if it's not the best at dogfighting (or any one thing).

I personally like how effective it is in the campaign (even if Helios is never available with the Myrmidon lol).  The 4-gun bank isn't placed very nicely but does make for a good Prometheus S slot.  The extra range of the Prom S is lovely, too bad it's completely nerfed in multi (I guess 1500m range is a bit overwhelming).


Honestly, the loss of the Harpoon is only an issue because you don't have the Tornado yet in the campaign.  If both the Tornado and Harpoon were available, I'd take the Tornado (and fire in single shot if I need more ammo).

[Solatar]

You know, the Myrmidon was a joint Terran/Vasudan development.

So you're saying that the fact they were using Serapis as their default anti-fighter craft during FS2 was a fit of madness, and we should have seen Vasudan units flying Myrmidons?

That...actually helps a lot.

Oddly enough, the Ulysses was supposedly a joint venture.  We never see Vasudans flying that; although in that time period they have the Thoth.

[Iranon]

I think it's easier to make a case for the Serapis as an anti-fighter craft than for the Myrmidon - the Serapis' handling is the best in the entire GTVA while the Myrmidon's is the clumsiest fighter that doesn't have a 'heavy' or 'assault' in its type. The Myrmidon is horribly outclassed by its supposed predecessor in a dogfight, the Serapis is merely unforgiving and flown badly by the AI. However, if we go by AI performance the GTVA should have abandoned fighters entirely - it usually does better in bombers wielding fighter suppression missiles.

If anything, I agree that it's strange the Vasudans never fly the Ulysses given that's supposed to be a joint venture - they really could use a craft that handles well while still having adequate shielding. Terrans have lots of options there (Ulysses, Loki, Perseus, even the old Apollo). As such, the need of the Serapis is dubious... the Vasudans already had enough light fighters that are awesome until they suddenly explode for no apparent reason. While the Serapis stands out among Vasudan fighters for its ability to carry Maxims and anti-fighter primaries at the same time, the Ulysses can do that too.

[aurora_energy]

Maybe it is just me but it seems like everything that is a joint venture is only ever seen used by the Terrans

[Woolie Wool]

The Myrmidon is horribly outclassed by its supposed predecessor in a dogfight

The Myrmidon is outclassed by its predecessor's predecessor in a dogfight. An Apollo could easily outfly a Myrmidon in a dogfight, and Avengers and Prometheus are a match for anything the Myrmidon can equip. The Perseus is the real GTVA space superiority fighter, as it retains the do-anything versatility of the original Apollo much more than the Ulysses or the Myrmidon.

Also, increase the Serapis' shields to 370 (like in TPI) and it goes from awful to awesome.

[Scotty]

The Perseus is the real GTVA space superiority fighter, as it retains the do-anything versatility of the original Apollo much more than the Ulysses or the Myrmidon.

   The MYRM is the "do-anything" fighter, since it can mount three different kinds of secondaries, a small primary bank for anti subsystem or shield work, and still have four guns left over for a Prom S or Kayser.

It just doesn't do any one thing better than either.  (Although I think the Myrm beats the Apollo straight up)

[Woolie Wool]

The Perseus does pretty much everything better than the Myrmidon. It dogfights better, intercepts better, assaults better, it just outclasses the Myrmidon on every level. The Myrmidon does nothing well. Besides, if you really want to do anti-subsystem work, you can mount Trebuchets on the Perseus.

(Also if you mount three different kinds of secondaries, you won't have a decent amount of any of them. I usually load out the secondaries on a Myrmidon with nothing but Tempests.)

Also a Prom-S/Akheton or Kayser/Akheton setup would be extremely energy-intensive on difficulties above Easy. Subach/Akheton is the only way to go doing anti-subsystem on the Myrmidon.

As for the Apollo, it's weaker than the Myrmidon in shields and hull, but not a whole lot weaker, has an equal secondary capacity, is smaller and much harder to hit, has much better gun placement (I consider placement of guns just as important as quantity. The Myrmidon's four-shooter is in a horrible position), handles better and has a much tighter turn radius, and is faster on burners.