Author Topic: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.1  (Read 44434 times)

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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
What, no accusations on how I ruined this campaign too? I'm disappointed :p
Alright, let's not go there. I swear I will mute anyone who tries to turn yet another release thread into a Spoon vs. TopAce bickering. Or even mildly hints at that direction.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

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14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
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Offline karajorma

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Indeed. Especially given the long walk off a short pier we gave Darth Wang.
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Offline Spoon

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
I'm merely saying that I'm feeling sad that he just blatantly ignored my effort of writing a little positive review for him, you humourless gits.
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[02:42] <@Axem> critically wrong
[02:42] <@Axem> im happy with these missions now
[02:44] <@Axem> well
[02:44] <@Axem> with 2 of them

 

Offline Legate Damar

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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The Ulysses should have been rigged with espionage devices, auto-return autopilot systems, and self-destruct contingencies if they attempt to disassemble them for parts. That's how a Cardassian would do it.

 

Offline TopAce

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
I'm merely saying that I'm feeling sad that he just blatantly ignored my effort of writing a little positive review for him, you humourless gits.

Fine. Thank you for your review. :)
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Offline swashmebuckle

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Especially given the long walk off a short pier we gave Darth Wang.
I don't really know why, but this sentence just cracked me up.

Back on topic, has anyone managed to
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kill both enemy corvettes in "The Hunter and the Hunted"?  I never even got close with the second ship (Jackal) during testing.  I also haven't yet been able to save both friendly cruisers in the mission where you take out the Kagera.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
I didn't manage to even kill one. I horribly failed that mission and yet got to the next...
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Offline Cyborg17

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Just finished.  Gameplay was solid, but at two separate parts of the story I felt like I got whiplashed.

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1) All of a sudden the home fleet is attacked from behind by Mjolnirs.  I'm not sure how I feel about this considering they were deactivated, and how they should have been captured and repositioned or outright destroyed.  It didn't make any sense for the fleet to be within the firing arc either   :doubt:

2) I felt like the destruction of the Carrier was really sudden, didn't really make that much sense, and should have been *much* more devastating.  A Carrier class vessel is one that is going to be the one that carries a majority of your fighter wings.  How are you going to carry on a battle behind enemy lines after losing what may have been half of your fighter corps?

3) Sudden victory.  I don't understand how we got from losing a Carrier to being in a position to attack (and win) Luyten III.

Maybe I'm just looking too far into it, and maybe it was covered better in one of the two debriefings I couldn't read because my Video Card zonks out when it starts to overheat, but I didn't feel like the story followed a logical path all the way through.

EDIT: I did have fun, and most people don't care about this stuff as much as I do.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 01:37:07 am by Cyborg17 »

 

Offline TopAce

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Points 2 and 3 are covered in the briefings (Command, mission, and debriefings) and in mission dialog.
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Played some more, so some more comments:

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A lot of this was really innovative. I liked the select screen for the entry vector before the mission, I've never seen that before. I'm going to have to check out how you did that.

I suspected that guy was the traitor all along.

In the nebula mission when my ship was suddenly frozen I happened to be pointing at the sun and had to keep having it glare at me until I got control back, that was pretty annoying.

In the briefing for the next mission the briefing icon for the Blade-class cruiser showed up as a Leviathan. I know it's no big deal and it didn't bother me, I'm just pointing it out.

I'm surprised the liner could move so fast (40 m/s) when much smaller military ships which presumably have more powerful engines are slower.

After the end of that mission there is a slight grammar error, it says "as inflammatory account" instead of "as inflammatory an account", yes I know it's no big deal, it was just something I noticed.

I really look forward to finishing this.

 

Offline TopAce

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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It is good that you suspected he was a traitor. Suspicion is the intended effect. However, I hope it wasn't obvious.

I will fix those two minor issues you noticed. I wonder why I picked a Levy icon there, given that I knew I would be working with a Blade all along.

40 m/s is the default speed. I never thought of changing it.

Looking forward to seeing your observations after finishing the campaign.
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Offline Alex Heartnet

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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As you recall, the mission briefing said there was a GTVA marine detachment in the hangar, helping you steal the fighters.  The troops were no doubt interfering with enemy flight ops at the same time, which explains why the station had trouble deploying full wings of fighters.

The mission debriefing doesn't state what happened to those marines, but they won't of entered the station in the first place if they didn't have an exit plan.  I am sure the marines set up explosive charges in the hangar right before they left, to destroy even more fighters.  No need for a fancy self-destruct device on the fighters when you are going to blow up the entire hangar's worth of birds anyway.

 

Offline TopAce

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
And apparently there is a spelling mistake in that briefing stage. Wonder how I missed that.

Looks like stuff is accumulating for a v1.1 patch.
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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As you recall, the mission briefing said there was a GTVA marine detachment in the hangar, helping you steal the fighters.  The troops were no doubt interfering with enemy flight ops at the same time, which explains why the station had trouble deploying full wings of fighters.

The mission debriefing doesn't state what happened to those marines, but they won't of entered the station in the first place if they didn't have an exit plan.  I am sure the marines set up explosive charges in the hangar right before they left, to destroy even more fighters.  No need for a fancy self-destruct device on the fighters when you are going to blow up the entire hangar's worth of birds anyway.

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It was a civilian station that they didn't want to damage. The self destruct would be for if they took the fighters somewhere else.

 

Offline Alex Heartnet

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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It was a civilian station that they didn't want to damage. The self destruct would be for if they took the fighters somewhere else.

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It doesn't take all that much explosives to destroy a parked fighter.  Fighters aren't tanks - they aren't known for durability.  And a parked fighter in a hangar is far more vulnerable then one performing a mission in space.

There's already gunfire and explosions in the hangar from the boarding party fighting off security teams - a few more explosions won't damage public relations further.

And there are lots of things that can go wrong with automatic self-destruct devices that aren't under human control.  There's a very good reason why GTVA fighter drones haven't been developed much further then autopilots and target drones.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Fighters aren't tanks - they aren't known for durability.
Ahem.

Remind me how many multi-kilotons missiles you need to destroy a fighter ?
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Offline Alex Heartnet

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Fighters aren't tanks - they aren't known for durability.
Ahem.

Remind me how many multi-kilotons missiles you need to destroy a fighter ?

Against a fighter that is actively evading missiles and has its shields up?  Or against a fighter that is not moving at all while in the middle of a battle?

Versus a fighter that is sitting in a hangar, possibly undergoing maintenance and thus might have the insides exposed, remaining completely stationary even while explosive charges are precisely placed for causing maximum damage to the craft.

Those multi-kiloton anti-fighter missiles don't have all that big of a blast radius for such a powerful warhead - they actually need a direct hit to cause significant damage, entirely unlike the missiles in use today.  I'm sure an explosive charge made to the same standards won't cause much harm to the surrounding hangar.

 

Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
Those multi-kiloton anti-fighter missiles don't have all that big of a blast radius for such a powerful warhead - they actually need a direct hit to cause significant damage, entirely unlike the missiles in use today..
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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It was a civilian station that they didn't want to damage. The self destruct would be for if they took the fighters somewhere else.

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It doesn't take all that much explosives to destroy a parked fighter.  Fighters aren't tanks - they aren't known for durability.  And a parked fighter in a hangar is far more vulnerable then one performing a mission in space.

There's already gunfire and explosions in the hangar from the boarding party fighting off security teams - a few more explosions won't damage public relations further.

And there are lots of things that can go wrong with automatic self-destruct devices that aren't under human control.  There's a very good reason why GTVA fighter drones haven't been developed much further then autopilots and target drones.

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A self-destruct system is a lot simpler than an automated combat vehicle, and it would just be a last resort anyway. I mentioned the auto-return system.

 

Offline swashmebuckle

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Re: RELEASE: Luyten Civil War v1.0
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I was just assuming that the Ulys would autopilot back out the door to provide some extra targets when the marines and flight crew withdrew, or something along those lines.  The infiltration of the GTVA boarding party was really just something I added to provide a superficial level of plausibility to the whole crazy fun scenario--I didn't want people to think that Alpha 1 was just pulling up, jumping out, curb stomping the guy with the keys, and riding off in the ultra-secret superfighter...4 times :)