[An4ximandros]

My biggest gripe so far is how they killed Luke's character in the script and his physical manifestation in post production.

And that MaRey Sue is such a bland character. There is nothing to like about her.

[Firesteel]

The bombers thing, and frankly all the space battles in the modern Star Wars films, was atrocious when good old fashioned dive bombers existed since the original movie (plus the Y-wings were far better designed than these fat B-wings. I'll take ****ty space battles if we get good character writing and light saber fights but the space combat hasn't been there since RotJ.

Finn/Rose was only watchable because of the two characters and their actors. I agree about the time frame making absolutely no sense. What was worse was how rushed that plot was and consequently making the other 3-4 plot lines feel more rushed than they needed to be. I like the characters but I wish their story didn't feel as shoehorned in and out of place as it did. That should have gone through at least one more rewrite to hit the beats in a less clunky way.

Another minor gripe was killing purple hair admiral (I can't remember her name). Yeah killing Leia would have been obvious but it we could have had Poe actually have to apologize to admiral purple hair and we'd also get her in the next film :/

Overall I really enjoyed the whole thing and the Snoke/Luke/Kylo/Rey stuff was great, the Poe/Finn/Rose character stuff was great even if the casino plot was clumsily done.

[The E]

The bombers thing, and frankly all the space battles in the modern Star Wars films, was atrocious when good old fashioned dive bombers existed since the original movie (plus the Y-wings were far better designed than these fat B-wings. I'll take ****ty space battles if we get good character writing and light saber fights but the space combat hasn't been there since RotJ.

Have you seen Rogue One

[Firesteel]

I did see Rogue One. I wasn't a huge fan of it. Of Disney Star Wars it's far and away the worst and what I'm hoping is Last Jedi is going to prove that characterization is worth it for Star Wars again.

[X3N0-Life-Form]

Finally got to see it, I think I overall liked it, it certainly flowed better than episode VII. It's sort of awkward in places, it's awesome in others
Some random thoughts on it :

- They tried to inject quite a bit of humor. Some of the jokes worked, some didn't.
- Lol @ WW2-style heavy bombers having to arm their bombs and open the bomb doors manually. I understand where they are coming from with this old school stuff, but it gets kinda cringy at this point. They also come up as much less useful than good old Y-wings given how vulnerable they looked. I feel like they missed an opportunity to do a more lengthy Memphis Belle-style bombing run.
- Speaking of the bombers. A big-ass dreadnought gets taken by a single bomber managing to drop its bombs ? I know this is Star Wars but its still kinda silly.
- Damn it kid, keep that mask !
- Too many cute beasties, non-cutes have right to be represented ! I'd have kept those from Skywalker Island, but have the other cute alien animals be regular alien animals.
- RIP Ackbar.
- Super Leia huh, gonna need a kryptonite light saber
- Benicio Del Toro, always nice to see you.
- It kinda feels like the whole Rose & Finn side arc was tacked on because they forgot to give Finn something to do when writing the film's macro plot. I mean its a character arc that in the end has very little influence on the plot. Or it was put in to give Finn a love interest other than Rey. Or both.
- 27B-6 : heard you
- Hey Yoda, nice seeing you. You still like to dick with people I see
- Hyperspace ramming. Pros : cool & beautifully shot. Cons : sooo, why don't they do this all the time ? And what about the time the Falcon did an hyperspace jump in a hangar bay with a monster in front of it in the previous movie ?
- BTW, cool wide ship there, Snoke.
- Where the **** did Snoke come from anyway ?
- Snoke's not as funny as old Palpatine was
- Damn it kid, you can't kill the Big Bad in the middle of the trilogy, it's not protocol ! (Well played BTW)
- Goodbye Luke, see you in the next movie.
- Damn it kid, you've been out-cooled by an old man.

- Conclusion : all right Disney, you've still got my attention, let's see you come up with next.

[Sushi]

I'm in the "really liked it" camp. Saw it twice. There were plenty of odd flaws and inconsistencies but none of them really felt like they mattered in the moment and I have no inclination to obsess over them on reflection.

Definitely my favorite of the "Disney era" Star Wars movies. More like this, please!

[Mika]

It's do-not-pay-for-this category for me. Unfortunately, I did.

Too many inconsistencies, Luke is very underutilized and badly mischaracterized. Snoke is truly easy come easy go, and then there's Kylo Ren who can't be taken seriously in any scene.

The final scene did nothing but underline the fact that the First Order are the good guys in my mind, although I suspect the original intention was something else.

This is design-by-committee and directed by the marketing department, and reeks of carefully tested audience reactions.

[Det. Bullock]

It's do-not-pay-for-this category for me. Unfortunately, I did.

Too many inconsistencies, Luke is very underutilized and badly mischaracterized. Snoke is truly easy come easy go, and then there's Kylo Ren who can't be taken seriously in any scene.

The final scene did nothing but underline the fact that the First Order are the good guys in my mind, although I suspect the original intention was something else.

This is design-by-committee and directed by the marketing department, and reeks of carefully tested audience reactions.

Nope, nope, nope, if it was designed by committee they wouldn't have dared make a movie that doubts even for a moment the integrity of Luke Skywalker which isn't mischaracterized, Johnson just remembered the flaws of his character (remember the moment he lost his **** in ROTJ when Vader suggested Leia might turn to the dark side) instead of remembering only the quiet Jedi-like part of the character.
Besides, I like when the heroes get old and go in "get off my lawn" mode.

[Sandwich]

The final scene did nothing but underline the fact that the First Order are the good guys in my mind, although I suspect the original intention was something else.

Remind me what the final scene was?

[Det. Bullock]

The final scene did nothing but underline the fact that the First Order are the good guys in my mind, although I suspect the original intention was something else.

Remind me what the final scene was?

The one with the force sensitive kid with the broomstick and the rebel alliance ring, sincerely I don't know what to think of someone who unironically says the genocidal space nazis commanded by the member of a death cult are the good guys.

[Sandwich]

The one with the force sensitive kid with the broomstick and the rebel alliance ring, sincerely I don't know what to think of someone who unironically says the genocidal space nazis commanded by the member of a death cult are the good guys.

[jr2]

The thing that concerns me is that they have the entire surviving resistance fitting in the Millennium Falcon at the end.  Unless they got off more escape ships off-screen, everyone died except for a handful of people, and we're supposed to believe that they'll be able to pull enough support to go against the First Order (well, they suck, but they've apparently got disposable fleets to spare) when no one would send anyone to help them when they did get a distress call off.  Why are we supposed to believe those systems would do anything other than turn a blind eye in the future?

I guess I don't get where the next movie is going to find conflict.  Unless it's purely Kylo's obsession with bending all to his will (he'll need an apprentice now that he's the "Master").

As for Leia surviving being spaced, for someone who can use force powers, that's not all that hard according to the books, anyways.  Luke does it, at least.

The bombers I suppose could be chalked up to only having makeshift equipment (looked like a bunch of thermal detonator variants rigged up for use this way).   Gravity could be chalked up to using the larger ships' artificial gravity to pull the bombs in (what, you think artificial gravity just disappears once you're outside the hull?).

The speeders at the nd were cringeworthy.  Like, I swear, they had sidearm blasters equipped, what were they supposed to do?  Besides distract everyone, I guess.

I personally thought Luke's Force projection was pretty cool.  I mean, he managed to pull it off to the point where he seemed to have (or did have) physical presence.  Neither Kylo nor Rey seemed to pick up on it.  If Leia did, she didn't let on.

I actually thought he was just shrugging off all that firepower (although I did wonder how he got there).  Between that and Force-projecting a tangible presence that doesn't appear to be a Force ghost across interstellar distances, I'm not sure which is more impressive.

I was a bit confused that he died because of it, though.  Although he did go to that island to die, so perhaps he hadn't been taking the best care of himself.

The Lightspeed battering ram raises some questions.  I guess there's a safety interlock that must be overridden to achieve this, as usually (like in Rogue One ending) when another ship gets in the way, the hyperdrive usually shuts off, right?.  Although we do have Han's warning from A New Hope:

Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

So I guess it should't come as any surprise other than that more people don't strap minimal AI to a hyperdrive and have a functional torpedo.

[Mika]

Any faction using children as its soldiers or agents as portrayed in the movie gets labelled as Bad Guys in my books. Your interpretation may vary.

The whole point of Luke's path in the original trilogy was that his bravado is little by little changing towards wisdom. The person who turned Darth Vader back to the light and wiped off emperor Palpatine doesn't become something what was depicted in the movie. They don't quit on the universe when they are needed once again.

I'm all for grumpy older heroes, but this was one was off. I seriously hoped to see a training session from the Shaw kung fu movies, but nope. And what was the point of the mirror scene for Rey?

Luke's one man stand started awesome, him deflecting everything thrown at him would have made the point of him being a Jedi Master. So was Force Projection, but the problem is, he died because of that, and clearly when he was needed the most.

[Det. Bullock]

Any faction using children as its soldiers or agents as portrayed in the movie gets labelled as Bad Guys in my books. Your interpretation may vary.

You mean like the first order usually kidnaps children and trains them as stormtroopers?

Also, the families during the old republic volunteered their children to the Jedi order because in most galactic cultures it was considered an honor to have a Jedi in the family, Ahsoka's family called the order when they noticed their daughter could move objects with her mind.

The whole point of Luke's path in the original trilogy was that his bravado is little by little changing towards wisdom. The person who turned Darth Vader back to the light and wiped off emperor Palpatine doesn't become something what was depicted in the movie. They don't quit on the universe when they are needed once again.

The whole point was that he could resist his darker inpulses, but that doesn't mean he suddenly doesn't have them anymore, he ultimately resisted the temptation in both cases but in the second the timing was tragically wrong.

I'm all for grumpy older heroes, but this was one was off. I seriously hoped to see a training session from the Shaw kung fu movies, but nope. And what was the point of the mirror scene for Rey?

She asked who her parents were and the vision she had was of just herself, her deepest reason for the question is having a past on which she could rely on but the vision was basically "nope, you only have yourself".

[Bryan See]

- Lol @ WW2-style heavy bombers having to arm their bombs and open the bomb doors manually. I understand where they are coming from with this old school stuff, but it gets kinda cringy at this point. They also come up as much less useful than good old Y-wings given how vulnerable they looked. I feel like they missed an opportunity to do a more lengthy Memphis Belle-style bombing run.
- Speaking of the bombers. A big-ass dreadnought gets taken by a single bomber managing to drop its bombs ? I know this is Star Wars but its still kinda silly.

Why does the bombers in FS2 and its total conversion mods didn't drop bombs on targets?

I am sure the FSO team will figure out to implement this feature that allows bombers to drop bombs on targets.

[Scourge of Ages]

Why does the bombers in FS2 and its total conversion mods didn't drop bombs on targets?

I am sure the FSO team will figure out to implement this feature that allows bombers to drop bombs on targets.

Just have a launcher that points downward instead of forward. Done.

But I doubt anybody will do it (except maybe in an atmosphere situation where there's gravity), because in space, it's dumb.

[Luis Dias]

I ****ing loved it, with all its inconsistencies, errors, going-nowhere-arcs and mediocre jokes.

I. Loved. It.

This is Star Wars, it's alive and it's ****ing kicking. The movie is far from perfect, but perfection is the enemy of the good! What they did with the mythology was great! Luke was really great. So well written. Rey was great! Kylo was amazing, growing up to be his own thing. The themes were simple and to the point: trust and love vs fear and betrayal.

I want more of this! And I'm already regretting this because I *know* JJ will **** the ninth movie up big ****ing time.

[FlamingCobra]

She asked who her parents were and the vision she had was of just herself, her deepest reason for the question is having a past on which she could rely on but the vision was basically "nope, you only have yourself".

That's not what I got out of that scene. I interpreted that scene as more evidence that she's a force-baby. Ben was either lying to her when he said that her parents were drug-addicted junk traders, or he had been reading her mind and took her deepest fears as facts.

[Bryan See]

What of the First Order versions of TIE interceptor and bomber?

[MP-Ryan]

I liked this film a fair bit (and it left me with a lot to think about) but I have never seen a major pop culture movie where the people who dislike it so clearly, totally do not understand the movie. It's like some sort of forcing function for comprehending stories.

Amen to this.

Also, I loved it, and my favourite aspect of the film is how they took all the quasi-cult SERIOUSNESS and GRAVITY of the Jedi that existed slightly in the OT, and was waaaaaay overdone in the Prequels, and went.... "**** this ****, NOPE."  Luke basically saying the Jedi and their pretentious bull**** is part of the problem, with Yoda showing up to say "Yeah, pretty much, and Rey has this **** kinda figured out already dumbass" was fantastic.

The casino sequence was meh, the bomb-drop in space was eyebrow-raising, and there were a dozen other nitpicks or more, but all of them are simply irrelevant compared to what that movie gave us.  It was great.

Also, I love Porgs.  For the porg-haters, this is why:  https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-porg-design-puffin/  In other words, a protected species was given CGI costumes because they literally could not disturb them during filming so they instead found a way to add them.  That is simply great, no matter what you think of their actual presence in the film.