[Anjelus]

When would she have gone to one of the camps though? She didn't defect at the end of AoA.

Also this is the first I've heard of reeducation camps. Sounds like GTVA propaganda! Where else are they mentioned?

[Flak]

Probably she was not in the Temeraire when they defected, most likely in the Solace, or the Sanctuary.

[-Norbert-]

What was he referring to when he says "there were ten thousand people in that..." though? He makes it sound like 10,000 people died but the Agincourt was taken intact?

They don't know what happened to those 10000 people. They could be dead or prisoners. Or they could even have willingly joined the UEF (well... a part of them anyway). Since those people were specialists their loss (as in them being unavailable, not necessarily dead) hurts the GTVA and might help the UEF a great deal in researching GTVA technology faster.

We also don't know if the escape pods Laporte shot down were occupied and if they were, how many people were in them. The GTVA might have found the debris and maybe even a blackbox with a recording of the battle after the Agincourt was noticed as missing, so they might know about the destroyed pods.


As for how she got the information in the first place. Do you think she might have been cooperating with the Vasudans that sent Laporte that secret data?

[starlord]

just a passing question, what happens to the sanctuary in wih? is it dismantled?

[crizza]

Guys...she was taken captive on Beta-Aquilae...not anywhere in Sol.
She fed the UEF the jump schedules of the Agincourt, then she was captured and Steele used her most likely to lure the Wargods in the trap at Saturn...
And nothing is known about the Sanctuary...

[LordPomposity]

Or it could just be the concept of fighting such a monolithic entity as the Shivans, who feel no remorse, give no quarter, and do not retreat.

Maybe, but I'm not entirely convinced. We don't see people who fought in the SSI defecting to the UEF left and right, so if he's saying that her reasons for aiding the enemy had something to do with experiences fighting the Shivans, he's talking about something specific to what the 14th went through. Also, this guy's a Captain. He's been in the service a long time, most likely long enough that he wouldn't need to rely on hearsay to know what fighting Shivans is like.

When would she have gone to one of the camps though? She didn't defect at the end of AoA.

Also this is the first I've heard of reeducation camps. Sounds like GTVA propaganda! Where else are they mentioned?

"My Brother, My Enemy". The debrief postulates that the GTVA views what happens to prisoners of war as a fate worse than death.

Carey almost had to have been in Sol at some point. There's no reason that someone not involved in Sol operations would have had access to the jump schedules.

As for how she got the information in the first place. Do you think she might have been cooperating with the Vasudans that sent Laporte that secret data?

I don't think so. Steele didn't bring in Vasudan logistic support until after the Agincourt was captured, so there's no reason the Vasudans would have known.

Guys...she was taken captive on Beta-Aquilae...not anywhere in Sol.

She was taken captive by the GTVA in Beta Aquilae a year and a half after the war started. We don't know what she was doing, or what happened to her, during the intervening time.

[The E]

Carey almost had to have been in Sol at some point. There's no reason that someone not involved in Sol operations would have had access to the jump schedules.

That might not be entirely true.

[NGTM-1R]

Or it could just be the concept of fighting such a monolithic entity as the Shivans, who feel no remorse, give no quarter, and do not retreat.

The Shivans are not something you chip your morality on. Your will to live, perhaps, but not your morality. They're uncomplicated. The UEF doesn't offer anything better than the GTVA on that subject.

Carey almost had to have been in Sol at some point. There's no reason that someone not involved in Sol operations would have had access to the jump schedules.

First and second sentences show no relation. Plenty of people can be involved with Sol operations without being in Sol.

[Buckshee Rounds]

Carey almost had to have been in Sol at some point. There's no reason that someone not involved in Sol operations would have had access to the jump schedules.

Completely agree on this. I don't suppose it's too far of a stretch to assume that Carey may have been involved in or even in command of the GTD Requiem, but then again that was many months before the start of WiH, I doubt the jump schedule would've remained the same. There's always the possiblity that she was captured or defected, but if that was true it would surely have made the headlines, 'Requiem CO captured!'

Hell come to think of it we don't even know who the Hood or Imperiuse's CO was, may even have been Carey at some point, as far-fetched as that is.

Ninja'ed:

Plenty of people can be involved with Sol operations without being in Sol

Sure, but only a select few would be able to access the kind of info Carey did and she would have had to have been in Delta Serpentis at the very least to pass on that information to the UEF.

[LordPomposity]

First and second sentences show no relation. Plenty of people can be involved with Sol operations without being in Sol.

But involved in such a way that they would need to know jump schedules? The only people who need to know those are the people piloting the logistics ship and the people who need to rendezvous with the logistics ship. Considering that Anemois are practically defenseless high-value targets that spend a lot of their time with next to no escort, that's the sort of information that the minimum possible number of people would be informed of.

Hell come to think of it we don't even know who the Hood or Imperiuse's CO was, may even have been Carey at some point, as far-fetched as that is.

I was thinking along those lines, too. That the GTVA trusted Carey doesn't mean they trusted the rest of Temeraire's crew, so they would have given her a new command if they sent her back to Sol. It's possible that she was Imperieuse's CO and that passing on the order to nuke Luna was the last straw for her.

Of course, that's even more baseless than most of this speculation.

[NGTM-1R]

But involved in such a way that they would need to know jump schedules? The only people who need to know those are the people piloting the logistics ship and the people who need to rendezvous with the logistics ship.

There are other people who will need to know. Those flying escort, for example. The people who gave the orders for the resupply schedule. The people who need to know when the ships involved will be available, not available, and in need of restocking, which means whatever command the logistics ships are attached to and the commands that command is subordinate to. The mere existence of a schedule invalidates your supposition of who needs to know.

Logistics is not a simple subject, and there could be entire armies of people who don't need to know, but will certainly do their jobs better with the knowledge and so might be informed. The GTVA has the only means of communication bottlenecked, so there's not a great deal of obvious danger in telling people with no reason to traverse the Sol node or send messages that way. Then there are the armies of people who could simply make highly educated guesses based on travel distances and times of tasks involved given a hard fact or two, like seeing the resupply ship leave its home area.

[General Battuta]

Then there are the armies of people who could simply make highly educated guesses based on travel distances and times of tasks involved given a hard fact or two, like seeing the resupply ship leave its home area.

On the right track! The answer involves the GTL Fortune.

[Colonol Dekker]

Plot.



Thickening.

[Ypoknons]

On the right track! The answer involves the GTL Fortune.

The Solace defected, I don't remember anything about the Fortune.

[LordPomposity]

wat

Aren't intrasystem jumps either instantaneous or very nearly so? Meaning that mission length timetables give no hint whatsoever as to how far the logistics ship is going, and that there's furthermore no need to position a logistics ship anywhere near the ships it's to resupply?

[Deadly in a Shadow]

On the right track! The answer involves the GTL Fortune.

The Solace defected, I don't remember anything about the Fortune.

I thought they both defected.

[Snail]

On the right track! The answer involves the GTL Fortune.

The Solace defected, I don't remember anything about the Fortune.

I thought they both defected.

Only one of them did (which one it was slips my mind)

[Destiny]

Look here then, I suppose?

[Snail]

or

Some of the 14th's ships were no longer available for analysis - the GTC Duke, GTCv Labouchere, and GTL Solace had defected wholesale to the UEF.

[General Battuta]

wat

Aren't intrasystem jumps either instantaneous or very nearly so? Meaning that mission length timetables give no hint whatsoever as to how far the logistics ship is going, and that there's furthermore no need to position a logistics ship anywhere near the ships it's to resupply?

The information Carey leaked involved the timing and coordinates of the Agincourt's jumps.