[Luis Dias]

Yeah, that tastes better.

And you wanna know the part I like better? Your Orwellian quote "We destroy to preserve", which is delicious in itself, as if they have to convince themselves (and/or Bei) that they are not doing what they are actually doing.

This paradox / inconsistency within pacifistic/conservationist ideologies is clearly an indication that species can't be differentiated so much in their ideologies if they are to survive in the cosmos. They have to preserve themselves and whatever they feel is precious to them. Having this point in consideration, I see no difference between the shivans and the vishnans, they only differ in what they want to "preserve".

Your point about shivans using an automated factory (or factories) is interesting and curious. I would want to know more about that, in a way that would be interesting. The problem with it is that it dumbifies and vulgarizes shivans into stupid easy riders of ancient technologies to bully everyone else, wiping out the lovecraftian mysterious charisma that they have in FS2.

[Destiny]

So one way to put it is...'don't define the Shivans'...?

[Luis Dias]

Or define them in the campaign and then at the end smash those definitions to the garbage can where they should belong.

IOW, mindrape the players. You know you want it .

[Snail]

I hate arsepulls.

[Luis Dias]

Snail hates arsepulls

FS is filled with arsepulls

therefore Snail hates FS

[Hades]

I hate arsepulls.

That's not what MarsofWar said

[NGTM-1R]

Snail hates arsepulls

FS is filled with arsepulls

therefore Snail hates FS

Luis Dias is unable to distinguish between limited viewpoint and arsepulls.

[Colonol Dekker]

The Uckfay is an Arsepull?

[Luis Dias]

So the constant arsepuls of "Hey we are totally bashing the Shiv... " BEZZZZ BEAMRAPE BY RAVANA

"Ok, let's crack this nut, well we are on top again, we are surely DA BES...." BEEAZZZZZ BEAMRAPE BY SATHANAS

"Sigh, ok let's get this **** done, hey look we did it we are so ****ing Godlik...." BEEAZZZZZ BEAMRAPE BY SATHANAS FLEET


didn't happen and were all within my delusions?

[Snail]

Those aren't arsepulls.

[Luis Dias]

Ah, ok so what is an arsepul?

[Snail]

There is a difference between a plot twist and a PLOT TWEEEEEST!

PLOT TWEEEESTS tend to be things that make things that came prior to them make no sense at all. Go watch some M. Night Shyamamlanan for examples.

[Luis Dias]

Ok, so whatever I was proposing, it surely wasn't that.

Although I admit I did enjoy the sixth sense, and, say, the usual suspects.

But whatever plot twist one should imagine, it wouldn't be a stupid "**** whatever you saw earlier" one. I also didn't say it would be easy.

[NGTM-1R]

didn't happen and were all within my delusions?

Luis Dias is unable to distinguish between limited viewpoint and arsepulls.

[Luis Dias]

Or perhaps I'm more demanding than you.

[NGTM-1R]

Or perhaps I'm more demanding than you.

No, you're not. I'd say you're considerably less demanding, in fact, since it's clear you don't have the drive to comprehend the setting and the tools used to convey it.

[Luis Dias]

Yeah I'm just stupid like that. Thanks for that info.

[Snail]

Ok, so whatever I was proposing, it surely wasn't that.

You said, and I quote:

Or define them in the campaign and then at the end smash those definitions to the garbage can where they should belong.

IOW, mindrape the players.

WHAT A TWEEEEEEST

[Luis Dias]

Not if it is done correctly, like say in an investigatorial manner, alpha 1 is led to believe in a certain narrative and certain nature of shivans. Clues will slightly deceive you to confirmation. Some dark itch within your head still lurks though. There's something wrong in the narrative. And in the later part, you begin to realise that your anterior notions were wrong due to the lacking of a key information that shatters your pathetic ideas to the ground. Now you end up not understanding the shivans again.

[-Sara-]

Either way I often see a lot of reasoning being done from a Homosapien perspective when you try to reason or approach issues Luis. You seem to have read a lot, have a lot of recallable knowledge, but you're applying what you know by comparing apples to pears. Something not developed under the same conditions we excist in (be it a different planet, temperature, lack of presence of natural threats, heck living in completely different universe with entirely different laws of physics and time) may have entirely different motivations, perspectives and morals. Per example, something could communicate and reason within a certain set of parametres to fulfill it's reason for, or way of excistence as effective as possible without actually being self-aware. Beings with a thoughtpattern we can at best only vaguely compare to OCD, or sociopathy. Non-corporeal energy with a god-complex and the nasty tendency to destroye and erase anything clashing with prime numbers, because they cannot oversee anything else than primes and innocently believe that to be a cosmic mistake which needs fixing. Even as a member of Homosapiens I try to still link these examples back to things as we know them, but one cannot play the anthropologist without immersing into a different culture, or be a sociologist while not staying to some extent statistic and unbiased. I know I'd never try to apply freudian psychoanalysis to my canine. Why compare Shivans or Vishnans psychology to that of humans?