[-Norbert-]

That depends on what the GTVA loses in the process, but in most cases yes.

[Ravenholme]

Dragged from the bridge by someone who would believe that a living Calder is better then a dead Toutatis and a dead Calder?

I'd definitely punch him out and shove him into an Escape Pod, he's the best UEF Admiral.

[n3rdherder]

Im having trouble with WiH and cant play it. Keeps coming up with bp2-wep.tbm error: Missing required token in weapon: shockwave effect, error in weapon trebuchet#Aegis and others. I've re-downloaded the files but they keep coming up like this. Could Someone help please?

[The E]

Please read the FAQ: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=56279.0

Use the information therein to generate and post an fs2_open.log here.

[CT27]

And, as Norbert said, it depends on how he dies. If the Toutatis goes down fighting, maybe even securing a Pyrrhic victory for the UEF, the effect will be much different than if Calder is killed in an escape pod like a chump.

It would also depend on how the escape pod is killed.  Even if a UEF admiral flees in the escape pod and a GTVA pilot shoots it down, the UEF would be enraged and say he was killed 'in cold blood'.  If on the other hand, the escape pod gets destroyed in the Solaris explosion, then there probably wouldn't be any extra martyrdom attached to him.

Concerning the first part of your explanation, just to play devil's advocate:  if the admiral goes down fighting in a Solaris, but it's the GTVA that achieves at least a Pyrrihic victory, there probably won't be any major extra amounts of rage/martyrdom to draw on.

[Mars]

People don't get their sensibilities offended that logically. They don't even get that kind of information freely, generally.

[-Norbert-]

But that really depends on the place of the engagement. If it happens in deep space and the soldiers who witnessed the whole thing keep quiet, then the information can be controlled at will, but if the soldiers spill it back to the other elements of the fleet, it's almost unavoidable that the news spreads into the general population.
And if the fight happens in Earth or Mars orbit, there's as good as no chance to keep the whole truth under seal.

[LordMelvin]

If it happens in deep space and the soldiers [...] keep quiet...

I think it's safe to say that the only way that'll happen is if they're dead before they get back to base. Because even before they get to the closest purveyor of inebriatistitude (Which is a real word, when you're inebriatistated...) they'll be chatting with the guys on the base - heck, confine 'em to prevent spreading the news, and whoever's guarding 'em will know and/or overhear and/or find out why, and then when one of those guards tells their fiancee, who tells the reporter they've been shtupping on the side, you've got something worse, public opinion-wise: you've got the rumor-mill at its worst, with a cover-up into the mix...

[Charismatic]

Iv just beat BP1 and it was amazing. I downloaded everything for BP2.

I dont have the "fs2_open 3.6.14 and latest launcher", because I thought that 3.6.12 was the latest official build?
When i click the link for 3.6.14 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79332.0) I am not sure if i should get it because the post claims its irrelevant?

Do I need it?

[niffiwan]

I believe that you will need 3.6.14 RC4 in order to play the most recent release of bp2 - get it here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79747.msg1579226#msg1579226

[BlasterNT]

I have a question:  How were the sounds in WiH made/gotten?  Specifically the massdriver/archer/gauss gun sounds, and the other primaries. 

[KyadCK]

Iv just beat BP1 and it was amazing. I downloaded everything for BP2.

I dont have the "fs2_open 3.6.14 and latest launcher", because I thought that 3.6.12 was the latest official build?
When i click the link for 3.6.14 (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=79332.0) I am not sure if i should get it because the post claims its irrelevant?

Do I need it?

Yes, you need at least 3.6.14 RC1. At this point you may as well just get RC4 and the earlier ones are out dated now anyway.

[Charismatic]

Thanks everyone for their replies and help!
Anyone else crashing at various points in mission 1?
I crashed at one point at the beginning, right at the middle during the main fight when the music changes, and then finally after a third try, right as i began jumping out.

[KyadCK]

Give us a debug log.

[Crybertrance]

But why would the GTVA want to attack either Solaris escapes me. They would have to deploy a significant destroyer to the engagement and risk losing it too. Why not just nibble at the rest of the fleet (without much casualties on their side) and leave the 3 big boys to fend for themselves. You know let them be destroyed internally (by logistical depletion).


BTW: Let me take the opportunity to say that the GTVA is just an over-pampered pile of ****. 

[MatthTheGeek]

But why would the GTVA want to attack either Solaris escapes me. They would have to deploy a significant destroyer to the engagement and risk losing it too.

You could hardly be wronger. Try to pit the Solaris against Serkr team, or a couple of Diomedes and Deimoses, with bomber support, and you'll see why you don't need destroyers to finish the job.

It's the same logic that guided the UEF in sending the Wargods instead of one of their desties to face the Carthage.

[crizza]

Aye, just pinpoint the location of one Solaris and then send in a Hunter-Killer group.
If they have jump drives akin to those of the Carthage or Atreus, they could even escape with minor damage.

[Crybertrance]

But why would the GTVA want to attack either Solaris escapes me. They would have to deploy a significant destroyer to the engagement and risk losing it too.

You could hardly be wronger. Try to pit the Solaris against Serkr team, or a couple of Diomedes and Deimoses, with bomber support, and you'll see why you don't need destroyers to finish the job.

It's the same logic that guided the UEF in sending the Wargods instead of one of their desties to face the Carthage.

I know, but either Solaris would not be alone. The UEF would have half the frikkin fleet for relief in no time (not to mention another Solaris)! Kiss Serkr team goodbye! The Solaris decimates a Raynor Head-on and still live to tell the tale. Its not some pushover tin-can (like most of the Tev destroyers)...

Sorry for my burst of outrage there...

[Crybertrance]

Aye, just pinpoint the location of one Solaris and then send in a Hunter-Killer group.
If they have jump drives akin to those of the Carthage or Atreus, they could even escape with minor damage.

And what prevents the Solaris from warping out?

[Deadly in a Shadow]

Aye, just pinpoint the location of one Solaris and then send in a Hunter-Killer group.
If they have jump drives akin to those of the Carthage or Atreus, they could even escape with minor damage.

And what prevents the Solaris from warping out?

To sum it up: And what prevents the Solaris from already having a nice escort?