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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 12, 2001, 04:39:00 pm: (http://koti.mbnet.fi/jabu/narncrs.jpg)

Just something I put together to test my rendered beams. That JPEG quality is horrible for the beams, and I may put the .tga file up. It looks much better. Sorry about the planet. Couldn't find a better map. Anyone know any good, high-res planet maps?

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2001, 05:26:00 pm: Egads man! Nice work. I particularly like that near Starfury, it has so much detail (I'm checking out the red glow INSIDE the cockpit - nice).

The beams... yeh. I'd like to see the TGA. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

As for planets - as you're rendering them, I'm not sure what to do, but if you get Lunarcell from Flaming Pear ("http://www.flamingpear.com[/url"), you can generate realistic planets in Photoshop or any other equivalent (PSP, PP, PI, etc.). Then you can either map that to a sphere, or put it in the background. Your choice. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Oh, I almost forgot... *gasp!* (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 07:24:00 pm: I like the Star Fury man! Especially the one in front. Nice glow inside the cockpit. Very detailed too. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 12, 2001, 08:46:00 pm: Hey NeoHunter is it me, or did you just repeat exactly what I said? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Artimus on March 12, 2001, 09:31:00 pm: The Starfury has no pilot.
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jake Logan on March 12, 2001, 09:39:00 pm: i noticed that too (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Shrike on March 12, 2001, 10:08:00 pm: It's automated. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 11:41:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh:
Hey NeoHunter is it me, or did you just repeat exactly what I said? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

Ah..... (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 12, 2001, 11:43:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Shrike:
It's automated. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Its a automated due to the lack of pilots available. They asked me to do the programming for them and I did. Its based on the FreeSpace ai.tbl file. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 12:49:00 am: Oh, that Starfury is stuffed then. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 13, 2001, 01:07:00 am: Not bad! But the planet and the beam needs a lot of work, hopefully you'll be right and it'll look better in .TGA

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 03:18:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh:
Oh, that Starfury is stuffed then. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif)

No it won't! It will be able to blast Babylon 5 all by itself and still come out 100 percent health! Muawhahahah!!1 (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/lol.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 13, 2001, 07:12:00 am: Oh yeah... credits, forgot those:

Starfury, Narn cruiser - Mark Kane, converted to .blend by A2597 of B5Blender ("http://www.b5blender.com")
Background - Me with Glitterato (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Composition, beams, engine glows - me with Blender.

The .tga file is pretty big, I'll upload it in a few minutes. I'll post the address in a few minutes.
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 13, 2001, 09:45:00 am: http://koti.mbnet.fi/jabu/narncrs.tga ("http://koti.mbnet.fi/jabu/narncrs.tga")
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 13, 2001, 10:27:00 am: Thanks for that link Jabu... I hope I can learn how to use this, it might replace my current rendering method...

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 01:52:00 pm: Learn how to use it? It's just a file format, personally I would prefer PNG (because it is more versatile and can be viewed by quite a few browsers), but in terms of size all the bitmaps are the same. Huge. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Unfortunately, I can't tell much of a difference between the jpeg and the tga. D'oh! (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 13, 2001, 02:13:00 pm: The beam is a lot sharper in the tga. It's just that Blender uses tga as a standard, and so, makes them look pretty good.

I've already fixed the planet, any other complaints?

This is my first try at rendered beams, and Blender isn't quite as good as 3DS or Lightwave.
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 13, 2001, 02:40:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Setekh:
Learn how to use it? It's just a file format,
I mean't Blender itself (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 04:11:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Jabu:
The beam is a lot sharper in the tga. It's just that Blender uses tga as a standard, and so, makes them look pretty good.

You're right, I wasn't paying attention to that. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Quote
Originally posted by Jabu:
This is my first try at rendered beams, and Blender isn't quite as good as 3DS or Lightwave.

If you'd like I can work with the tga and make those beams look like FS2 beams - I do all of my work on the picture. Keep in mind it would look like a Shivan beam, which may be wrong for the B5 universe, but I can still do it. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 04:13:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Thunder:
I mean't Blender itself (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

Oh (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)

I don't think I will - I like my current way as it is. Maybe later, methinks (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 06:36:00 pm: Really big file! 1.81MB in size!

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 06:39:00 pm: Yes, that's right. It's just like a bitmap - TGAs, PNGs, BMPs, they're all the same in that they store the value for each and every pixel. That's why they have uncompromised quality.
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 06:58:00 pm: I managed to download it and view it in Photoshop. Don't know why it asks for a QuickTime plugin to view.

Anyway, the beams still look a bit raw. Not much difference from the earlier one.

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 13, 2001, 07:53:00 pm: My offer still stands (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Originally posted by Setekh:
If you'd like I can work with the tga and make those beams look like FS2 beams
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 13, 2001, 11:01:00 pm: By the way, what capital ship is that in the background?

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 14, 2001, 01:45:00 am: I assume you mean the only capship in the pic (Theres three Starfuries). That ship is a Narn Dreadnought (I think it has a designation, but I can't remember it... Jabu you know your stuff - what is it?

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 14, 2001, 01:55:00 am: Doesn't look to deadly because I don't see much anti-fighter weaponary on it. Someone please correct me because I believe I am wrong.

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2001, 02:07:00 am: Narn G'Quan heavy cruiser.

Not the best of ships, it's got good antiship firepower but not the best antifighter. But then again, it carries Frazis (Narn fighters)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 14, 2001, 03:18:00 am: I've allways liked the design, although looking again at it now- it looks kinda industrial... pieceds together (because of the engine housing and the main cannon housing). Not sleek and sexy like the Whitestar or Minbari warships...

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 14, 2001, 03:56:00 am: Quote
Originally posted by Thunder:
Not sleek and sexy

Dude, we are talking about spaceships, right? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Shrike on March 14, 2001, 03:59:00 am: I think he means in the same way that a car can be considered 'sexy.' (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 14, 2001, 04:05:00 am: I'll stick to the female humans. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 14, 2001, 04:51:00 am: You Vasudan starships make me sick, allways taking our femails (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif) (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/wink.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 14, 2001, 03:37:00 pm: Damn this thread grew... I was doing a big project for school, didn't really have time to check here.

No, I think I'll keep the beams the way they are. I still have to work at my beam technique, but I'm trying to make them look B5ey (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Yes, it's the Narn G'Quan Heavy Cruiser. Those beams are pretty powerful, and IMHO it's one of the best looking ships in the series. It combines the best of sleekness and industrial-type engines and front bit (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 14, 2001, 03:58:00 pm: Quote
Originally posted by Jabu:
No, I think I'll keep the beams the way they are. I still have to work at my beam technique, but I'm trying to make them look B5ey (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Are you trying to them looking like the lasers that come out of the fronts of the Omega class? I'm not sure, just asking - they need to be slightly transparent and bright, right? Can you make objects transparent in Blender..? (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

Oh and btw, I think I have to agree - IMHO, that is a very nice looking ship. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 15, 2001, 01:26:00 am: If your going to leave it as it is - can I suggest one thing? you add a little red glow to the hull around the front of the capship, as I think thered be at least a little reflection of a hull there...

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Setekh on March 15, 2001, 01:43:00 am: Just add a red light source in front of the ship. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif) That is, if you can do it with Blender. (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 15, 2001, 09:05:00 am: Actually, there's two small light sources there. I should probably make them brighter.

And that beam right now is made out of two tubes, an outer tube that is mostly transparent and an inner tube that should also be more transparent than it is now. This only comes out in the .tga version, as that jpeg is horrible quality...

Blender is better than most people think. It's got everything you need for rendering, except the ability to properly import textured meshes (will be fixed in next release, .lwo import will be added)
Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Fineus on March 15, 2001, 09:11:00 am: Oops - I see what you mean about the light sources (I can see the reflection on the forward steel piping things) But you should make that a bit brighter (http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif)

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: NeoHunter on March 15, 2001, 07:41:00 pm: I wonder how they fly Star Furies standing up?

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Title: Non-FS or Whitestar pic *collective gasp*
Post by: Jabu on March 16, 2001, 07:32:00 am: Why not?