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General FreeSpace => FreeSpace Discussion => Topic started by: diamondgeezer on March 31, 2003, 12:22:55 pm
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(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/chigmothership.gif)
Now, the RULES:
1. The picture is neither washed out nor too dark/bright.
2. If you don't think the above shot is at least moderately cool, then you don't know what they are. Click here (http://www.space-readyroom.de/chigs.html).
3. If you're not a S:AAB fan and you tell me they suck, I'll either ignore you or shout at you.
4. As usual, the textures are merely a temporary job.
With these conditions in mind, feel free to shower me with adulation :cool:
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Chig mothership = :ick
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I know what it is, and I like ( even if you gotta admit you didn't put much details in it ;) with that shape, you can go mad with tiny details :) )
Btw, my last "battle of the belt" shouldn't be heard by people under 18 :D
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wuhay!
Quick flee the useless wedges of doom are coming!
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Originally posted by venom2506
I know what it is, and I like ( even if you gotta admit you didn't put much details in it ;) with that shape, you can go mad with tiny details
Perhaps, but that's what they look like. A great big blue wedge. Ask the Chigs why they're not more inspiring. I stuck a bunch of little hexagonal turets on it... but there's only so much you can do with it. And of course I'm no modeller - I'm really only converting them from a bunch of stolen 3DS files :nervous:
[EDIT] *smacks Carrot with a half-brick in a sock*
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I know what they are but i just never found them threatening in the series, i never did get how they were meant to have destroyed the Invincible and Eisenhower in about 2 mins.........
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
wuhay!
Quick flee the useless wedges of doom are coming!
:lol:
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so whats suposed to be "cool" about that picture that is like the easiest ship iv seen to be modeled EVER exept the cube ........
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Why are so many people after a smack with the half-brick in a sock toady?
*chases Askrak*
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Why are so many people after a smack with the half-brick in a sock toady?
*chases Askrak*
thats my opinnion
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You did read the rules before posting, right?
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Ashrak. The reason the ships look so unimpressive is because they weren`t exactly very impressive in the show either
They look pretty much the same as they did in the show to me. Looks like this S:AAB mod will be one of the quickest off the ground I`ve seen :)
How much have you got left to do DG?
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Thanks, kara. I was starting to worry I was doing something wrong :D
Well, nothing has LODs or debris which is a fairly major problem given that I'm the only one working on it and I have no modelling ability whatsoever. Otherwise the ships are comming along nicely and the Chigs are essentially done, however the Earth carrier is having some severe turrent isues. Weapons are tabled, awaiting thorough testing and probable reskinning. I haven't written any missions yet, though I suppose I have enough stuff to get started with. There's no plan for the story as yet, though I know how the first two missions will go ;7
And of course anyone with mad skillz who'd like to pitch in are more than welcome, hint hint.
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
turrent
turret, Turret, Turret , TURRET, TURRET
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Originally posted by 01010
turret
turrent, Turrent, Turrent , TURRENT, TURRENT
Have I mentioned I liek Space: Above And Beyond?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/chigmother.gif)
Wow! Two trapese looking thingies sticked together into a stick, times 2.
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Will someone please educate this chap before I punch his lights out?
Razor my pedigree chum, have you ever seen and S:AAB? I'm going to assume that you have not, or at least didn't see the pilot or finalae. Thus, please take a moment to read rule 3 on way out of the thread. Don't come back, thanks :)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Will someone please educate this chap before I punch his lights out?
How about you smack your face with a box full of lightbulbs first?
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(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/wtf.gif)
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:lol: Wow! And you are English. :lol:
Oh yeah let me clear it for you. I suppose you don't know what a lightbulb is. Please consult this (www.dictionary.com) great web site if you need assistence.
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I'm... english...
Lightbulbs...
:wtf::confused:
No, sorry. You'll have to explain it to me. Perhaps something is lost in the translation?
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Originally posted by Razor
Please consult this (www.dictionary.com) great web site if you need assistence.
Don't make me do the 'sence of humor' quote
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As one of the series biggest fans (well obviously Dimond Geezer and i are the only 2 who could be ****ed waiting up till 1/2 2 in the morning when it was on bbc2) in the UK i know what the bloody things are and they look perfect. Its just as i said previously they did nothing in the show except float menacingly and wedgelike.
As for the spelling of turret, the poor chaps obviously had a state school education.
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
As one of the series biggest fans (well obviously Dimond Geezer and i are the only 2 who could be ****ed waiting up till 1/2 2 in the morning when it was on bbc2) in the UK i know what the bloody things are and they look perfect. Its just as i said previously they did nothing in the show except float menacingly and wedgelike.
3 of us including me :) For those of you who keep knocking DG's models go take it up with the people who did the effects on the original show rather than bothering us with your ill informed comments.
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
As for the spelling of turret, the poor chaps obviously had a state school education.
I wouldn't do if it didn't provoke a reaction, would I?
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I think i'm actually a S:AAB fan now after reading about the chigs.
that is of course if you'll start spelling turret right..
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But I'm not mispelling turret. If anything, you're mispelling turrent...
There's logic in there somewhere...
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There's logic in there somewhere..
Freaky, he's right...
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...Looks like...Kushan Mother-Ship....
That's all I have to say, and when I get my satellite dish up, I'm gonna watch S:AAB
Needs more detail/greebles/thingys/turrets/WMDs/etc, etc
Cor
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DG, good work on the S:AAB Chig mod, BTW.
As for this:
Originally posted by diamondgeezer
(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/wtf.gif)
As I was scrolling down reading all the posts, this thing appeared at the bottom of my screen and freaked the s*** outta me!
...Meh, I've been under alot of stress with law school lately and I'm easily spooked, what can I say?:nervous: :shaking:
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Can anyone translate this?
(http://www.space-readyroom.de/SAAB_Chig_Mutterschiff.jpg)
(lvlshotted)
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OK, this is a very loose translation:
The Chigs (so called because they look like parisitic earth creatures named 'chiggers' - allegedly) attacked the Vesta colony in the Epsilon Eridani system in 2063. This was man's first contact with another intelligent lifeform.
The Chiggy mothership was used as a carrier in the Grrombridge 34 system (not sure about this sentance). I have no idea what the last sentance means.
Oh, and the specs given are 'length' 'height' and 'breadth', although that didn't take a genius :)
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I really think the middle parts look like exposed superstructure on the show not glowing green stuff (like 100s of girders or launch cradles), im starting to think that they dont have any weps just hundreds of those fighters.
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
I really think the middle parts look like exposed superstructure on the show not glowing green stuff (like 100s of girders or launch cradles)
Nah. Watch this (http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/pilot1.mpg) and this (http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/pilot1.mpg) :)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
The Chigs (so called because they look like parisitic earth creatures named 'chiggers' - allegedly
I never thought they looked like any insect :/
they're almost clones of the trooper in old novalogic's game, Terranova...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
OK, this is a very loose translation:
The Chigs (so called because they look like parisitic earth creatures named 'chiggers' - allegedly) attacked the Vesta colony in the Epsilon Eridani system in 2063. This was man's first contact with another intelligent lifeform.
The Chiggy mothership was used as a carrier in the Grrombridge 34 system (not sure about this sentance). I have no idea what the last sentance means.
Oh, and the specs given are 'length' 'height' and 'breadth', although that didn't take a genius :)
Thanks :nod:
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
I really think the middle parts look like exposed superstructure on the show not glowing green stuff (like 100s of girders or launch cradles)
They're recessed bits.
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Hey awesome...get the model quality up a bit more and it'll look really good!
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Originally posted by IceFire
Hey awesome...get the model quality up a bit more and it'll look really good!
Guess what? I have no idea how :)
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make the recessed bits actually recessed. It's not like there's hundreds of capships in S:ABB in a battle ( more like a two or three max ), the thing is not breathing with turrets ( it has none ), so you can go HEAVY on details, as I said before :) actually build the griders.
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I still have no idea how (I just convert the things)
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Everyone who has ever posted, visited, or even glanced sideways at these forums needs to find S:AAB and watch.
It was one of the best shows to grace the wasteland that is network television.
You got anymore models in the works?
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Knew someone would appreciate it :D
Anyway, yes - there are more threads in this very forum, ahev a look over the last couple of pages. Total models done currently stands at 11, although my definitaion of 'done' is pretty lose... at any rate they're in game and flying, though some have issues yet to be resolved.
Spent last night making missile models, and and some point I'm going to convert something nasty for the bad guys to use. The hard part is actually the Earth stuff, the Chig stuff was piss easy by comparison. I'm still on the lookout for any modellers who'd like to pitch in...
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spent toilet paper tubes!
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DG: So... basically, the model's an amateurish work at best, but you don't want to hear it and it's not your fault because you're modeling it after what was an amateurish work at best.
Spectacular.
Why did you bother post this thread again?
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Because S:AAB was one of the very best sci-fi series of the 90's. Havbe you seen any of it? I'm sure you'll agree with me on that, at least. What I'd like is for people to appreciate that they'll be able to play a S:AAB conversion - I was expecting a little excitement at the prospect. Yes, the Chig mothership is a sucky design, but on the plus side you'll be able to fly a Hamemrhead and attack a Chig mothership. Which fact is more important?
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I bet with the right kind of work...even that ship could be made to look a little more interesting. Take a bit of creative license on it maybe...or another varient with some modifications.....
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*looks current trueSpace scene*
:drevil:
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Only because it went into BELIEVABLE details about the whys and even better the hows that got us to war.
On my mind it is like TOPGUN (marine kind) against aliens.
On a sidenote, I say LET the model as is (that it is what it was drawn like), but MAKE gazzillions of other support craft like destroyers, battleships, cruisers, vettes that
have actually features on them
:D
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Now, the RULES:
1. The picture is neither washed out nor too dark/bright.
2. If you don't think the above shot is at least moderately cool, then you don't know what they are. Click here (http://www.space-readyroom.de/chigs.html).
3. If you're not a S:AAB fan and you tell me they suck, I'll either ignore you or shout at you.
4. As usual, the textures are merely a temporary job.
With these conditions in mind, feel free to shower me with adulation :cool:
You haven't left much room for criticism, have you? :lol:
But :blah:. They're just sitting there, not doing anything impressive. There's no sense of scale, either. I'm not acquiainted with S:AAB, so I'm not terribly awed. Let's see one of them blow up, or blow something else up. :nod:
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Actually DG if I were you I`d leave these ships as they are and have them appear in one of the early missions. Then if you can find a modeller get them to come up with something much more impressive and introduce that as a new Chig mothership in a later mission.
That way you silence the critics who'd complain about it if you change the mothership and you also silence those who'd complain that the Chig mothership looks crap.
Doesn`t shut up those who complain about you adding non-canon ships to your mod but if TBP is doing it why can`t you. Besides if they still complain there's always electroshock treatment to help them see the error of their ways. :D
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Originally posted by Goober5000
But :blah:. They're just sitting there, not doing anything impressive. There's no sense of scale, either. I'm not acquiainted with S:AAB, so I'm not terribly awed. Let's see one of them blow up, or blow something else up. :nod:
Yeah, and if I could do renders, actually make 3D models, draw beautiful textures and edit the source code then I'd be doing this in total secrecy until it was released. Part of what I'm doing here is angling for "hey, I love S:AAB and I think I can drastically improve your stuff. Want my help?" but instead it's nowt but ":blah:".
If I end up doing this all by myself, it will look sh1t, and only the die-hard S:AAB fans will even look at it.
Nevertheless, being the good little ***** that I am, I'll try and wow you a little more... standby
[EDIT] OK, try this one. This is in answer to the scale question. Obviously, there's a bit of weapons fire as well, but unfortunately you can't make out most of the UEF carrier's laser shots cos they're too small - it all looks a fair bit better in game. For the record, the Chig mothership is only a few hundred metres behind the carrier.
(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/goober.gif)
And if any one dares to aks why I'm loaded out with AOL Instant Messengers...
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yeah, and if I could do renders, actually make 3D models, draw beautiful textures and edit the source code then I'd be doing this in total secrecy until it was released. Part of what I'm doing here is angling for "hey, I love S:AAB and I think I can drastically improve your stuff. Want my help?" but instead it's nowt but ":blah:".
Well, DG, you would pick the traditional uni project hand-in and exam time to start it......
NB: If it's the Marines in the TV show, surely you should be using the SAS?
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
OK, try this one. This is in answer to the scale question.
Except that doesn't really answer it, because I don't know how big the carrier is. :) Put an Orion next to it, and let's see that.
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kewl! :yes:
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Originally posted by aldo_14
Well, DG, you would pick the traditional uni project hand-in and exam time to start it......
This is why I quit :cool:
NB: If it's the Marines in the TV show, surely you should be using the SAS?
Hell no - the SAS are equivalent to the US SEALS or Delta Force. The US admits that their special forces are modelled on the SAS and SBS anyway, on the basis of our 1337ness. I could have Royal Marines in me campaign, since they're starting to use Harriers just lately like the US marines, but I went with the Royal Navy. Mebbe I'll change it to Royal Marines, I dunno...
Originally posted by Goober5000
Except that doesn't really answer it, because I don't know how big the carrier is. :) Put an Orion next to it, and let's see that.
Yeah, I thought I had the carrier targeted, my bad - in any case, the mothership is 1800m away (as you can see in the pic), and it fills the screen. For the record, the carrier is 500m long and the mothership is 2000m high :)
Originally posted by Mr Carrot
kewl! :yes:
Ta :)
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*smacks all the non-SAAB sorts*
They look good, DG. Venom's right though: go nuts with the modelled in detail.
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But I keep telling you, I don't know how. I didn't make these models, I just converted them. It took all my 3D prowess just to carve them up to make subobjects and stuff. I honestly have no idea how to edit the actual model itself - I'm just doing this to try and garner the attention of a modeller who would like to pitch in. And fair enough, I've had a couple of people say 'yeah, I can help you with that one', but I really need someone to actually sign up as the project modeller proper. Same goes for the textures.
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:eek2: MIKHAEL!!
Where have you been?! We missed you, man!
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It would be the Fleet Air Arm old chap, the RM would never have their own air cover (that doesnt mean RN/RAF assets cant be embedded) due to them being commandos.
But you should defo do brits, we know we had a land contingent, a carrier (that gone blown up :( ) and thus some fighters.
It did ammuse me how they addresed the fact that the USMC Air Cav faught on the ground and in the air it went some where along the lines of " your marines, stop moaning" = **** big plot hole.
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Originally posted by Mr Carrot
It would be the Fleet Air Arm old chap, the RM would never have their own air cover (that doesnt mean RN/RAF assets cant be embedded) due to them being commandos.
Like I said a post or two ago (read more carefully next time), the Royal Marines are starting to operate their own fighters ie. the Harrier. I'm guessing they're aiming to be more self-contained, like the US marines. And don't worry, you don't need to educate me as far as the fleet air arm is concerned - I'm planning on joining up as a Harrier pilot myself :)
It did ammuse me how they addresed the fact that the USMC Air Cav faught on the ground and in the air it went some where along the lines of " your marines, stop moaning" = **** big plot hole.
McQueen gave his briefing , and then said "Now lately, I've been hearing a lot of *****ing about pilots being deployed as ground-pounders. Let me make this clear - we fight where and how we are told. This is the marine corps, not the airforce."
Now, there's something else that just came back to me that I'd like to make known to those knocking S:AAB and/or my stuff. Three years ago, DaveB himself told me that S:AAB was one of the main influences on the FreeSpace series, and that he'd have loved to have seen a S:AAB conversion. At the time, I was a wet-behind-the-ears VBB rookie and everyone ignored me (as opposed to just the overwhelming majority these days), but it seems that since the game we all love owes a lot to S:AAB, the series deserves a bit more respect. Ithankyou.
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If I end up doing this all by myself, it will look sh1t, and only the die-hard S:AAB fans will even look at it.
Well I love to help but the skills I have to offer are very limited, you have already added turrets which was further than I got when I had a go at converting these same models, they are the Lambda reactor models right?
the mother ship is 2000m high
The same size I calculated based on some figures from a German S:AAB site. It just seemed about right.
For the record I think your doing a great job, :yes:
Maybe rather than going for high detail and thus having to remodel these meshes, higher quality textures might be the way to go? no Idea right ;) (j/k)
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Originally posted by Mortex
they are the Lambda reactor models right?
*shrugs* Star Dragon stole them and sent them me. I didn't ask too many questions.
higher quality textures might be the way to go? no Idea right ;) (j/k)
Ha. Ha. Ha.
But thanks for the vote of confidence - every little helps :D
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Again i dont know where you are hearing that from, my Navy mate doesnt know anything about it...... and it wasnt in any of the Soldier/Janes Def Revs. ive been reading.
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I asked a marine in the armed forces office. Horses's mouth, and all that.
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You know something??
I think Homeworld ripped S:AAB off. Man the Chig motherships look very much like the mothership in homeworld.
Homeworld just made it a little rounder.
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Thats... Pretty vague...
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He may be right, folks - click (http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/kushan/mothership.htm)
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
:eek2: MIKHAEL!!
Where have you been?! We missed you, man!
Better work on that aim, GE. I've been playing lineman, installing cable for people. Just got fired for getting in an accident in my company van. Now I work for Cisco as a sysadmin again.
I might be around more often now. :D
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Ha. Ha. Ha.
Humour never was my strong point. I’ll take the challenge though. If your happy to send me the POF (COB would be easier though) I’ll see what I can do, I warn you I’m no Aldo :p
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I'd rather be known as the "Procurer" but oh well. Stole is such a harsh word... Especially since it took me months of searching for them and making sure they can be used for non profit modding (like all the models I try to use after finding). Enough of that though. Still trying to find more SAAB models but the well seems to be drying up. Good news, there is a homeworld SAAB mod as well as a promising ArmadaII mod. Bad news, anything from homeworld needs to be grouped (?) and I can't do that (only have 3dexploration and that 3.2 truespace I dled is like another language, I can't make heads or tails of it , hey I'm NOT a moddler), as for ArmadaII you need someone with 3dsmax and a plugin called STORM that takes A2 files and imports them to 3ds. then they can be converted to .cob/pof...ect...
I have lots of models of all types that need to be grouped BTW...
Oh yeah a a few that need to be broken into submodels cause they are having the shards of death like, oh,'
THE SCIMITAR!!! from nemisis (DL'ed from FS2 Sector)
and a Cylon BaseStar (also need to be grouped as well as broken down) But the textures are really good on this sucker..
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Stole is such a harsh word...
;7
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
Bad news, anything from homeworld needs to be grouped (?) and I can't do that (only have 3dexploration and that 3.2 truespace I dled is like another language, I can't make heads or tails of it , hey I'm NOT a moddler
Catch me on ICQ some time next week (unfortunately I`m busy this week) and I`ll talk you through the basics (enough to group models at least).
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
[EDIT] OK, try this one. This is in answer to the scale question. Obviously, there's a bit of weapons fire as well, but unfortunately you can't make out most of the UEF carrier's laser shots cos they're too small - it all looks a fair bit better in game. For the record, the Chig mothership is only a few hundred metres behind the carrier.
(http://www.angelfire.com/magic/diamondgeezer/goober.gif)
And if any one dares to aks why I'm loaded out with AOL Instant Messengers...
All I can say is...WOW!
I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of S:AAB (that *ahem* dubious distinction belongs to Diamondgeezer :D), but I did enjoy the show while it was on TV and I was sorely disappointed when it was canceled.
That said, the stuff that DG has managed to accomplish so far with these S:AAB models is nothing short of incredible, especially since he readily admits that he's lacking in model-creation expertise.
DG, you're doing an excellent job here, and don't let anyone tell you different. I, for one, can't wait to see the end product and i hope you manage to get more people to help you out and finish the S:AAB project.
As for Aldo, DatDB has got dibs on him...but I've already said too much. :drevil:
It wasn't me! KT did it! :D
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*dances a small but very happy jig*
Thanks Su. I'll make you proud *salutes* :)
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
OK, this is a very loose translation:
The Chigs (so called because they look like parisitic earth creatures named 'chiggers' - allegedly) attacked the Vesta colony in the Epsilon Eridani system in 2063. This was man's first contact with another intelligent lifeform.
The Chiggy mothership was used as a carrier in the Grrombridge 34 system (not sure about this sentance). I have no idea what the last sentance means.
Oh, and the specs given are 'length' 'height' and 'breadth', although that didn't take a genius :)
Let's see...
The correct translation would be:
The shown Chig battleship first appeared in the battle for the Fleetbase in the Grombride 23 system. No data worth metioning about the Chig warships could be won.
EDIT: No, I'm not german, but I have good eyesight and know languages!
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Hmm... perhaps we should ask Free Terran to translate it. :drevil:
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*Raises an eyebrow*
:doubt:
Are you questioning me?....
Are you REALLY questioning me?!:wtf: