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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: General Battuta on November 24, 2010, 06:37:07 pm
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So IRC discussion reminded me I wanted a place to talk about how surprisingly good this game is.
I played BC2 in desultory fashion last year, when the weapon balance was all ****ed up and the hit detection was glitchy, but after the utterly hilarious crash-and-burn of Halo Reach and Medal of Honor and the promise of yet another round of Modern Warfare mod sold for $60, I came back to it and found to my surprise that the game was in really good shape.
With the hit detection patched up and the weapons balanced out, I think this is the most finely polished, rewarding multiplayer shooter that does not involve hats right now. The graphics engine is gorgeous but runs smoothly, the multiplayer levels put on a good clinic for Reach's fumbling two-map Invasion offering, and since it's on PC and has an actual server browser, you don't have to sit through matchmaking only to play with jerks - admins can ban those jerks! Vehicle handling and the environmental destruction also make other contemporary shooters look pretty 2001.
What really blows me away about it is how much it looks and sounds like a scripted sequence. Seeing tracers arcing up into the sky and watching a chopper kick up dust as it sideslips over the desert floor (how do they manage all these volumetric effects and keep performance up?) I feel like I'm in one of those stupid scripted shots in a Call of Duty game, except it's actual players doing actual stuff.
And I know a bunch of HLPers play it, so, sound off. I'm working on platting the VSS right now. It's ridiculously good.
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I enjoyed it from day 1, but yea I agree it's an absolutely amazing game. The sound is what really makes it great IMO - all of the usual static background gunfire that you have in other games is actually REAL FIRE that someone is shooting. I love the game, and surprisingly the single player is also very good and unique (fighting through rotting oil tanker hulks in a desert in the middle of South America? SO MUCH BETTER THAN YET ANOTHER BOMBED OUT MIDDLE EASTERN BAZAAR).
All around an excellent and tightly made game. Unknown_Target on Steam, though I don't play it so much anymore (been playing it hardcore since day 1 so these days I'm pretty played out :().
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Really? I tried single player once, and felt the controls were really loose. It might have been that my computer was suffering from poor performance though.
Also, I heard about cross-fire performance (ATI) being terribad on this game, but obviously that's not the game's fault.
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I've never touched the single player. It's a Battlefield game, they don't have single player!
When you do go multi I suggest pretty much going straight to hardcore. Or maybe a few months in softcore would be wise? I dunno. Guns in softcore feel like they're shooting paintballs.
You also have to get used to the pseudorealistic ballistics model. Which is a nice change from the recent plague of dressed-up hitscan.
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In game name is mxlm. Like the game, not too fond of the community; IME the people with hundreds of hours of experience do their best to join the same team and go noob stomping, which is...annoying.
I've never touched the single player. It's a Battlefield game, they don't have single player!
It's worth playing just to see the astonishingly stupid hacking-a-satellite sequence. Well, okay, it's not worth playing, but that sequence was funny.
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by the way, broskies, free map pack 7 features 4 NEW maps with multiple modes each, and will be out very soon.
My favourite shooter of this year, so easy to have fun with to me, even though I'm playing the gimped (24 player) ps3 version because my PC just ain't up to snuff. :(
feel like rocking some either USAS-12, F2000, or trying the today-patched-in-for-ps3/PC optical G3 & M14 (even though it looks redonculus where its placed) next time I'm on.
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This multiplayer game essentially took what I thought Call of Duty did well and blew it out of the ****ing water. DICE did their job well when making this game.
The biggest mistake you can make when playing BC2 is to play as only one class throughout a match--that's an awful, AWFUL idea. Always choose what's tactically right for the situation, and if you can play as a team with your squad, do so! Playing lone-wolf style is the easiest way to **** over your teammates.
Add me as TMSPZC on Steam, and/or as Sigma76 (clan tag [Sec9]) on BC2.
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I actually play as lone wolf recon with VSS and do really well. :nervous: But when playing something less OP you really do have to work with your peeps.
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The biggest mistake you can make when playing BC2 is to play as only one class throughout a match--that's an awful, AWFUL idea.
Eh. There's always a need for medics, at least if you're offense.
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Gah, this really makes me want to get back into Battlefield. I was a Brigadier General on BF:2142 (brilliant game) until my not-too-tech-savvy-girlfriend decided to humorously annoy me by deleting my soldier. After vanquishing her from my household and throwing the milkshake I'd made for her on the floor, I never touched a battlefield game again.
Teamwork was what really made me love this game; it was almost like playing another sport in addition to rugby and touch football. Do many people use the squad voice chat? And I heard they did away with squad leaders and their perks, how does that play out?
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System requirements are what really gets me worried about Bad Company 2. Would any of you recommend the console version?
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Me too, my computer can't run it. :(
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I'm really disappointed not that many people played the SP. If you get rid of the whole idea that it's a BF game, the SP is actually pretty good - definitely more enjoyable than, say, MW2, if not just for the unique locations and characters (holy **** my crack team of commandos is NOT full of gravely voiced psychopaths who seem to get a woody from killing brown people?!?!).
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I'm really disappointed not that many people played the SP. If you get rid of the whole idea that it's a BF game, the SP is actually pretty good - definitely more enjoyable than, say, MW2, if not just for the unique locations and characters
I always play single player first before ever touching the multiplayer so I'm familiar with the flow of gameplay... I'll admit, the story was not the finest point of BC2's single player, but the settings, situations, characters, and the AI made it superior to Modern Warfare 2.
(holy **** my crack team of commandos is NOT full of gravely voiced psychopaths who seem to get a woody from killing brown people?!?!).
:lol:
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System requirements are what really gets me worried about Bad Company 2. Would any of you recommend the console version?
Me too, my computer can't run it. :(
I'll recommend it, the only real differences are some graphics (still looks pretty great) and MP wise only 24 players, and instead of server browser its just choose a gametype/HC/preferred map option and it auto-finds. Still same fun gameplay.
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I almost considered getting it but I'm holding my next Battlefield purchase until Battlefield 3 comes out (assuming it's good). But it's encouraging that BC2 was so well executed. The Frostbite engine looks incredible as well and I feel like they are starting to encroach on the really fluid infantry gameplay that Call of Duty used to do a bit better than Battlefield but not so anymore.
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Gah, this really makes me want to get back into Battlefield. I was a Brigadier General on BF:2142 (brilliant game) until my not-too-tech-savvy-girlfriend decided to humorously annoy me by deleting my soldier. After vanquishing her from my household and throwing the milkshake I'd made for her on the floor, I never touched a battlefield game again.
Teamwork was what really made me love this game; it was almost like playing another sport in addition to rugby and touch football. Do many people use the squad voice chat? And I heard they did away with squad leaders and their perks, how does that play out?
Anyone can issue very simplistic 'squad commands' via pressing Q looking at a vehicle, player, objective ect. Not many use voice chat (Read: I've only seen 1 person do it.)
Dont remember my BC2 name, but anyone on steam add some_drop_bear and I'l get around to remembering eventually.
Anybody else really like the PKM for medic?
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I honestly don't think I've ever played any sort of realistic war-themed shooter. If I ever get the yen to do so, maybe I'll give this a try. In the meantime, I have hats to craft. :p
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Well Bad Company 2 was what saved my sanity when TF2 went to ****. The skinning isn't as interesting to me as the core gameplay mechanics.
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This thread reminded me that it's been quite a while since the last time I played BC2. Damn, and I truly love BF -games.
But I gotta agree that Aion and World of Tanks have kept me pretty occupied.
Maybe on this weekend I should play a round or two.
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'cept for every numpty and their dog thinking their cool while playing 'recon' (cuz, most people don't play recon, they play 12x scope sniper rifle with mortar), and shotgun gayness, the game rocks :P
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Does BC2 have full kit customization yet? That's what I'd like to see in the future... customized kits based on the classes available with equipment and weapon attachments.
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Does BC2 have full kit customization yet? That's what I'd like to see in the future... customized kits based on the classes available with equipment and weapon attachments.
Bwut? I'm not sure if you've played BC2 or not; if not, each of the four classes can be customized pretty heavily; there are 5+ primary weapons, a number of secondaries, various attachments, and two perk slots.
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Yeah, but it's not quite full customization; you either get one of (many) class weapons or one of a handful universal weapons as your primary.
That said, it doesn't exactly lack for options.
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he wants a sniper rifle with a CG and M9-3 :P!
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he wants a sniper rifle with a CG and M9-3 :P!
doesn't the M9-3 suck? (I'm used to almost always using the imbalanced MP-443)
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Yea the MP-443 is better if you can't control the recoil on the m9-3, even then it might be better anyway
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If you guys can, get the M1 Garand with Magnum ammo. It's an amazing sniper rifle, not even kidding - two hits on someone from across the map and they're down, and it has a faster firing rate than any sniper rifle out there - only downside is you can't scope it. I actually go medic with the garand and the 1911 a lot.
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Does BC2 have full kit customization yet? That's what I'd like to see in the future... customized kits based on the classes available with equipment and weapon attachments.
Bwut? I'm not sure if you've played BC2 or not; if not, each of the four classes can be customized pretty heavily; there are 5+ primary weapons, a number of secondaries, various attachments, and two perk slots.
I played the demo briefly... so pardon my ignorance :)
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There's way more than 5+ primary weapons - that's just the 5-6 primary weapons that are only for that class. There's also several other "special" guns (another 5-8 or so) that every class has access to. There's also about 10-15 vehicle perks, and about 12 perks total per person that are shared between classes (and 1 or 2 unique per class perks).
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There's way more than 5+ primary weapons - that's just the 5-6 primary weapons that are only for that class. There's also several other "special" guns (another 5-8 or so) that every class has access to. There's also about 10-15 vehicle perks, and about 12 perks total per person that are shared between classes (and 1 or 2 unique per class perks).
and at least 2 gadgets.
something like 15000+ combinations.
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Anyone tried the newest update? M14 and G3's get access to red dot sights and the 4x ACOG. :D :D
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Got patchnotes? been looking for them :<
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I prefer the M14's irons, myself.
also, NEW MAPS!!1
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Also; MECHALAG
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I'm patching it now. Gonna take forever, but I'm too excited to care. Also, I'm FoeHammer99099 on PC if anyone's interested.
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Note that evenbalance has stated that PB is producing erroneous bans. I'd give it a day or two before playing to be safe.
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I haven't noticed anything weird. Loving Heavy Metal on HC Conquest.
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I've been playing. I'm up to like L-11 and am unlocking crap for classes. I am loving GOL + 12x optical scope + spotting assist + M1911 pistol (the pistol is beast)
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M1911 used to be one of the best guns in the game. I believe it's been nerfed down to reasonable levels.
If you haven't already, switch to playing hardcore. Also use the VSS when you get it, it's insanely broken good.
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I haven't noticed anything weird.
They fixed it after a day.
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
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Eh. Maybe. I played a level, was bored, stopped. But you might find the destruction mechanics pretty lulzy and I hear it's got some good banter.
Try some multi. It less repulsive than most team-based FPS multiplayer stuff.
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
Bad Company 2? If you haven't played either I preferred Bad Company 1's single player campaign a bit more, it had more of a Kelly's Heroes vibe to it, plus I think BC1's single player integrated the vehicles better.
Oh and by the way:
You can either surf, or you can fight! (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/vietnam-dlc-battlefield-bad/708092)
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
SP-wise, MoH > BC2
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
SP-wise, MoH > BC2
Holy **** if that's true I'm sooooooooooo glad I didn't play the bc2 SP.
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
SP-wise, MoH > BC2
Holy **** if that's true I'm sooooooooooo glad I didn't play the bc2 SP.
I know, MoH's SP was kinda inept. dem scripting triggers :/
Even EA's (really awesome and honest) CEO came out and said MoH didn't live up to their standards or hopes.
Funny thing is I think BC2 SP had some of the same problems.
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SP-wise, MoH > BC2
Yeah, I'm not dropping the 49.99 for Black Ops off Steam, sorry.
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
Jesus Christ, no. Not a chance. Stay away. It has some so-bad-it's-awesome moments, but the very kindest thing that can be said about it is that at its best, it's average. Hell, I think Alien vs Predator was better, and AvP was, uh, not very good.
Wait for the steam megasale and get Kane and Lynch 2 for $5 instead.
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SP-wise, MoH > BC2
Yeah, I'm not dropping the 49.99 for Black Ops off Steam, sorry.
Yeah but when you see it for something like $20, I'd get it because Black Op's single player was damned good, better than MW2 and possible MW1.
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SP-wise, MoH > BC2
Yeah, I'm not dropping the 49.99 for Black Ops off Steam, sorry.
Yeah but when you see it for something like $20, I'd get it because Black Op's single player was damned good, better than MW2 and possible MW1.
Knowing Activision that will be in two years.
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Knowing Activision that will be never.
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Nah, two years. I got MW1 for $20 last year, and promptly regretted it. I hate infinite respawns so very, very much.
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MW1 had infinite respawns? Which mission?
On a more on-topic note.
I decided to get BC2 after I get a better internet connection. :lol:
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All of them, I'm pretty sure.
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Yea, stuff only stopped spawning when you moved up to the next objective.
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Say I wanted to get a new shooter solely for SP. Is this worth the 19.99?
No. Get Metro 2033... Although that one is more expensive, it is also quite awesome.
Now that I think of it. 19.99 for BC2? It was still full price on steam.
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Now that I think of it. 19.99 for BC2? It was still full price on steam.
Not here. Maybe I was looking at a weekend deal.
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19.99 was the price of the game with the dlc at some point last week, fiver from a store or amazon or something = > 20 + quid from steam..
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0.71 K/D ratio and climbing slowly. I naturally sucked when I started, but I'm getting better now in Recon and Assault roles. It'll take a while to break 1.0 (~1200 kills & ~1700 deaths), though recent games has me at 1.0-1.5 K/D.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9qHrjN62s&hd=1
Dude. Dude. That hill looks fantastic.
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My performance is still very random :<
Some games; 7/1 before the first two mcoms have blown up, and got both the plants on those mcoms, other games, 2/16 t_t
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I don't play it that often, but on the PS3, I beast, going quite *postive* in K/D, and often solo'ing bases and/or arming several crates.
sometimes even braking 4000 points, before awards, once over 5000.
So much fun when it goes well.
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I made a new file and have been purely playing Assault. Anyways--my K/D is >1.0 so I'm happy. It's more representative than my other file with is .7-.8.
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Alright.. can someone clear something up for me then? I saw that BFBC2 is on sale for $20 on Amazon.ca so I *might* think about ordering this up for PC. I was going to wait until Battlefield 3 came out but hey this might be fun in the meantime and right now fun sounds good.
Anyways my question... All of the map packs that EA has put out. Are those all free patches? And how does one get Vietnam on PC? On console it seems to be through the respective online stores. What about for PC?
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On PC, all the map packs are free and included in the patches.
The Vietnam DLC can be bought through EA Online store.
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On PC, all the map packs are free and included in the patches.
The Vietnam DLC can be bought through EA Online store.
Cool and thank you! I just bought the game today for $20 with some Christmas money.
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On PC, all the map packs are free and included in the patches.
The Vietnam DLC can be bought through EA Online store.
Last I checked, the map packs were free and included for Steam users. Not sure about non-Steam users (they might have to get the patches elsewhere).
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They're free on EADM.
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Magnum Ammo makes me rage, as a lowly Private I who favours assault, I have access to no specialisations that mean I can take on a player with Magnum ammo and have a huge chance of being the victor, it only works if I manage to get the drop on them. If we spot each other at the same time and open fire at the same time, he kills me in half as many hits as it takes me to kill him.
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just play hardcore (where the game is teh balanced)
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just play hardcore (where the game is teh balanced)
I might try that, I'm a complete teh newb to BFBC2, so I have no idea what hardcore mode actually does, but if it levels the playing field a bit, I'm all for it
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Hardcore mode removes all visual helps -like 3D spots (orange triangle above enemy if someone spots 'em), minimap and crosshair- and makes the guns more powerfull. And puts FF on.
I actually like HC mode aswell (especially with engineers silenced weapons and UAV) , but time to times it's also fun to go to AD/HD normal mode.
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A Magnum-upgraded shotgun is beast in either difficulty. I've been using one recently and, in one firefight, killed 4 campers in 4 shots (though was quite injured by the end of it).
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Shooting them in the head nicely cancels out magnum ammo.
hell, I use mrksmn training (better spray) more than mag. ammo with the beastly F2000
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So I'm installing it now.
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I'm on a pretty decent server atm, it's hardcore, but there's minimaps, spotting and all that jazz, pretty damn good
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It's taking bloody forever to update so I'm going to just leave it overnight.
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I would say that the new expansion is really meant to be played on hardcore. It makes more sense to the era, and the maps/weapons/gameplay style of the expansion are all much more balanced against each other in that mode.
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I was going 14-1 and I stopped to talk to Hades (stupid Hades)
then I entered the zone
the future of your server is an Apache circle-strafing your spawn forever
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
14 kill streak with the AUG today.
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
14 kill streak with the AUG. No tank.
I don't understand what game you're playing where this sentence makes sense
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
14 kill streak with the AUG. No tank.
I don't understand what game you're playing where this sentence makes sense
SQDM.
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
14 kill streak with the AUG. No tank.
I don't understand what game you're playing where this sentence makes sense
SQDM.
I'm just saying it's pretty hard to get a 14 kill streak with the AUG while using a tank because the AUG isn't a tank, which makes the negation pretty redundant.
What's your soldier name broseph
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41-11 with the m24 ^_^ asian emoticon time
14 kill streak with the AUG. No tank.
I don't understand what game you're playing where this sentence makes sense
SQDM.
I'm just saying it's pretty hard to get a 14 kill streak with the AUG while using a tank because the AUG isn't a tank, which makes the negation pretty redundant.
What's your soldier name broseph
Oh. I removed that portion of my post. What I truly meant was I reached a 14 streak with an AUG as my primary weapon. I think I killed 2-3 with the 9mm and hand grenade for that streak. Most of the kills were with the AUG.
My soldier is Bob-sama (http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/Bob-sama/).
Fun thing about that streak was I brought my squad from last place to first place. (about 45-->60) Unfortunately, they sucked so we still lost.
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Bad Company 2 is now in the Steam Summer Sale, £5 in Britain.
It's damn well worth it.
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I now have wired internet, which means I can BC2 with you guys again. ****YEAH
But I will be pretty much away from my gaming machine until next weekend, so I won't get another chance to use it for a little while. I'll probably pop in and out, particularly on Monday.
Anyone want to play me?
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Perhaps, I could use some more BFBC2 people that can communicate.
I'm JGZinv on steam and BC2.
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I am Grizzly on steam, J-Grizzly (original huh?) in BC2.
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Surprisingly enough, I go by Scourge Of Ages (http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/Scourge%20Of%20Ages/).
Yep, that's me. Ouch.
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http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/JGZinv/
It lies a lot... Steam says I have 138 hours in BC2, but I'm not much better.
Vietnam is easier to play due to the weapons difference I think. I just can't handle large rooms, I can measure the amount of time
I'm alive after spawning in seconds on one hand of fingers. Prefer 8 and under rooms...
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You're doing better than I am, at least.
http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/Sfyri/#
Though it's mostly from playing on non-hardcore, which to me is actually harder than hard-core.
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Both of you are doing better than I am.
http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/SpardaSon21/ (http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/SpardaSon21/)
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Getting used to the game takes some time, I had about 0.5 k/d ratio at the beginning, and it's at acceptable levels right now: http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/HaDeDe/ (http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/HaDeDe/)
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Heh I'd need Hades and Kszyhu to back me up in a match... you two almost never snipe and I'd rather snipe 80% of the game.
It'd even it out...
Only reason I'd do hardcore is for easier 1 hit kills. I for whatever reason usually die even if I draw first using ARs. Could be since I'm running
a lowly dual-core i3, not as fast as most folks rigs. But that's why I go long range, easier to pick up kills when they can't see you.
Still can't fly a copter to save my life, getting better, but nothing assist worthy. Guess that's the trade off with a trackball.
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Wookies :\
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No one likes being in a squad with snipers, proper recon, yea, snipers, no. :P
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I don't have a problem with snipers in my squad, I'm more concerned with those on the other side. Dying by the bullet from nowhere isn't really that fun. Anyway, I like the recon class mainly because I can kill a pilot of that annoying Blackhawk with one, perhaps two shots.
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That's what engineers are for?
Or shotguns *grumbles about shotguns..*
Snipers = space taken up in squad so you have less spawn points.
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That's what engineers are for?
Or shotguns *grumbles about shotguns..*
Snipers = space taken up in squad so you have less spawn points.
What happens when that helicopter is popping flares and can't be shot with rockets? YEAH BET YA DIDN'T THINK OF THAT also we all need to get in-game and make a HLP server or something.
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Hades;
If using tracer dart and RPG/CG, you simply tracer it twice, once -> attempt to lock -> flare -> twice -> shoot with rocket.
Easypeasey.
If using the flybywire rocket, shoot and killz.
Also easypeasey!
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I have used tracer darts only twice, but I don't think that they have range to hit a helicopter flying at some normal altitude, and FBW missiles seem to lose their maneuverability far too fast to actually hit any chopper (at least when I'm shooting... perhaps that's the problem).
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Don't make me fraps it :P
I don't have 100% accuracy with it, but basically, if my friend Bluemoon/Mipross (who used to be a FS pilot too btw :D) are both using tracers, choppers die at pretty much any range :P
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I have used tracer darts only twice, but I don't think that they have range to hit a helicopter flying at some normal altitude, and FBW missiles seem to lose their maneuverability far too fast to actually hit any chopper (at least when I'm shooting... perhaps that's the problem).
To quote a popular meme: "You aren't doing it right" :)
If i get an annoying helicopter pilot/gunner duo going. I'll switch to Engineer and tracer dart them as often as possible. If someone doesn't lock on and kill them by the time I get out my Carl Gustav... they will be dead. Almost impossible to hide from that combination. Sometimes I just make an educated guess and hit without the tracer dart... but it helps big time!
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Well, yesterday I've destroyed Apache with tracer dart/RPG combo, so apparently I can do it right. :) Almost as fun as jumping out of destroyed Blackhawk, hitting and damaging mobile AA gun with Javelin while still airborne, hijacking now abandoned vehicle and killing it's crew with said vehicle.
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Note to self:
Port Valdez Rush as the Attacking team gets extremely hard when the map bottlenecks around the oil refinery. It's like baserape, but you aren't at a base.
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I have used tracer darts only twice, but I don't think that they have range to hit a helicopter flying at some normal altitude, and FBW missiles seem to lose their maneuverability far too fast to actually hit any chopper (at least when I'm shooting... perhaps that's the problem).
To quote a popular meme: "You aren't doing it right" :)
If i get an annoying helicopter pilot/gunner duo going. I'll switch to Engineer and tracer dart them as often as possible. If someone doesn't lock on and kill them by the time I get out my Carl Gustav... they will be dead. Almost impossible to hide from that combination. Sometimes I just make an educated guess and hit without the tracer dart... but it helps big time!
It's far better to land a UAV on their asses just as they takeoff or get repairs.
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Tracer darts!??!
Just use the AT4!