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FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
I'm brand new to the game, but the install went well and I'm already impressed.

Until I hit the first mission with a jump node.  When the node is onscreen or even targeted my FPS drops dramatically.  In missions without the jump node, things go great.  (I am NOT using the hi-res VPs).

I suspect it's not the rendering issue talked about in the FAQ, since the same behavior occurs if I simply target the jump node when it's offscreen.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

 

Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

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15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
Ah.  Thanks for the pointer there. 

Specs:
CPU:   2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5800 @ 2.00GHz (1600 MHz) Cache size: 2048 KB
RAM:   2.91 GB
Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS

Intel integrated graphics chip (gak)

If the targeting thing didn't cause the same slowdown (the second set of framerate drops is me facing the wrong way and targeting the jump node), I'd simply chalk it up to the graphics card.  Buuuuut...

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Offline Jeff Vader

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
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Searching root pack '/home/user/FreeSpace2/FSPort/fsport-hi_res.vp' ... 108 files
I can't recall exactly what the FSPort hi-res .vp contained but perchance try running without it.

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Initializing OpenGL graphics device at 800x600 with 16-bit color...
Set the game and your desktop to 32-bit colors. I wouldn't name that as the cause of the issue, but generally 16-bit colors are more prone to cause errors.
Edit: and your resolution to at least 1024x768. If you haven't experienced performance issues aside from this jump node issue, you should be able to handle 1024x768 and it would make playing some mods easier.

Other than that, this does sound weird. Jump nodes are supposed to be (relatively) very simple models without textures. There shouldn't be any reason for them to cause slowdowns.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
Something about this issue rings a bell, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was or how to solve it.

 

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
This came up after some googling. Among other things mentioned there was a suggestion to use the -no_vsync command-line flag.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 
Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
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Searching root pack '/home/user/FreeSpace2/FSPort/fsport-hi_res.vp' ... 108 files
I can't recall exactly what the FSPort hi-res .vp contained but perchance try running without it.

No change.

Code: [Select]
Initializing OpenGL graphics device at 800x600 with 16-bit color...
Set the game and your desktop to 32-bit colors. I wouldn't name that as the cause of the issue, but generally 16-bit colors are more prone to cause errors.
Edit: and your resolution to at least 1024x768. If you haven't experienced performance issues aside from this jump node issue, you should be able to handle 1024x768 and it would make playing some mods easier.
Oh, yeah.  I'd dropped both in an attempt to see if it was the graphics rendering.  Decreasing to 800x600 gives a slightly higher FPS during the effect, but we're talking 10FPS instead of 7FPS.

Other than that, this does sound weird. Jump nodes are supposed to be (relatively) very simple models without textures. There shouldn't be any reason for them to cause slowdowns.

So it should look like a big outline in space, yes?

And no dice with -no_vsync either.   :(

 

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
So it should look like a big outline in space, yes?
It should look like this (actually the shape is slightly different in FS1/FSPort than in this image but you get the idea). According to the FS universe, jump nodes are invisible and are merely locations where a ship can enter the subspace corridor between two nodes, or two solar systems. The green grid thing is just a HUD representation so that you know where it is.
23:40 < achillion > EveningTea: ass
23:40 < achillion > wait no
23:40 < achillion > evilbagel: ass
23:40 < EveningTea > ?
23:40 < achillion > 2-letter tab complete failure

14:08 < achillion > there's too much talk of butts and dongs in here
14:08 < achillion > the level of discourse has really plummeted
14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
14:08 <@The_E > EvilBagel's brand, at least

01:06 < T-Rog > welp
01:07 < T-Rog > I've got to take some very strong antibiotics
01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

22:16 < T-Rog > I don't know how my gf would feel about Jewish conspiracy porn

15:41 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
15:47 < EvilBagel> butt
15:51 < Achillion> yes
15:53 <-INFO > EveningTea [[email protected]] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]

18:53 < Achillion> Dicks are fun

21:41 < MatthTheGeek> you can't spell assassin without two asses

20:05 < sigtau> i'm mining titcoins from now on

00:31 < oldlaptop> Drunken antisocial educated freezing hicks with good Internet == Finland stereotype

11:46 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has joined #hard-light
11:50 < achtung> Surely you've heard of DVDA
11:50 < achtung> Double Vaginal Double ANal
11:51 < Kobrar> ...
11:51 <-INFO > Kobrar [[email protected]] has left #hard-light []

 

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
Try the -novbo flag. Might help a bit.
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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
No luck with -nobovo.  What did it (finally) was using the software mode.  Still had a FPS drop, but it was only to 25-29FPS instead of 2-10 FPS.  Still quite playable.

Again, seems ONLY to be the jump node.  Next mission (so far) going just fine.

 
Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
And it was only that first two missions with a jump node.  The later mission (Hammer &... crap, I was too into it to remember the name! The first one where Hammer of Light appears) ran without a hitch despite the jump node.

 

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Re: FSPort 3.3 slows to a crawl with jump node
Man, that's really weird.  It's good to hear that software mode worked, but it won't be the best long-term solution; you've basically reverted the game to pre-HTL rendering, so you'll probably experience poor performance in any mission with a decent number of ships.  Hopefully the support gurus can come up with something more permanent.