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Title: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: FlamingCobra on March 30, 2016, 02:46:43 pm
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11331014/microsoft-windows-linux-ubuntu-bash

I've also heard they are bringing the Ubuntu userspace to Windows as well as the ability to run Linux binaries natively. Like Wine, but in reverse.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 30, 2016, 02:56:51 pm
i bet stallman's gnawing his toes off in rage
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on March 31, 2016, 08:27:35 am
(i dunno why people keep selling this short by calling it 'bash on windows', it's basically a full 'linux' environment running natively in a windows system; it's nearly a direct counterpart to WINE)
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: jr2 on March 31, 2016, 08:34:55 am
MS released a video which should answer a lot of questions you might have:

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2016/P488?ocid=player
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: FlamingCobra on March 31, 2016, 10:42:05 pm
(i dunno why people keep selling this short by calling it 'bash on windows', it's basically a full 'linux' environment running natively in a windows system; it's nearly a direct counterpart to WINE)

Speaking of WINE (and this thing), I'm genuinely surprised no one has written some software that allows one to run OS X binaries on Linux or Windows natively.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: AdmiralRalwood on April 01, 2016, 01:25:31 am
(i dunno why people keep selling this short by calling it 'bash on windows', it's basically a full 'linux' environment running natively in a windows system; it's nearly a direct counterpart to WINE)

Speaking of WINE (and this thing), I'm genuinely surprised no one has written some software that allows one to run OS X binaries on Linux or Windows natively.
...And what, exactly, would you want to run with this capability? It's not like there's a lot of popular OS X-only games out there.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: The E on April 01, 2016, 02:08:41 am
Or OS-X exclusive applications without counterparts or official ports to Windows, for that matter.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Sandwich on April 01, 2016, 07:08:29 am
Bafflingly, much of the web development community is Mac-centric, so a lot of webdev-related apps are Mac only.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Cyborg17 on April 01, 2016, 11:30:15 am
I think it's because of hipster culture.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 01, 2016, 11:35:25 am
(i dunno why people keep selling this short by calling it 'bash on windows', it's basically a full 'linux' environment running natively in a windows system; it's nearly a direct counterpart to WINE)

Speaking of WINE (and this thing), I'm genuinely surprised no one has written some software that allows one to run OS X binaries on Linux or Windows natively.

It'd be a ton of effort to maintain, just like WINE is, and as outlined above there wouldn't be a great deal of benefit from doing so. You can kind of look at GNUstep as a very incomplete equivalent to winelib, but it's a very long way from a full compatibility layer.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: MP-Ryan on April 01, 2016, 02:48:53 pm
Well this is a surprising boost from MS for open-source software.  While most major open-source software has been ported to Windows, there are still a fair number of more utility-type or niche applications that are written solely for Linux.  Be nice to finally be able to run them from within the environment where I actually need them :)
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 01, 2016, 07:26:19 pm
A lot of Linux people are extremely (and reasonably) worried that this is the first E of Microsoft's notorious Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy. As far as I know it hasn't resulted in much direct contribution to free software; I don't think the compatibility layer with the Windows kernel is open-source.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Bobboau on April 02, 2016, 02:19:11 am
I wonder if this would enable the use of Plasma or Cinnamon on windows
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 02, 2016, 10:52:17 am
It won't; they apparently have no plans for GUI compatibility.
Title: Re: Microsoft bringing BASH to Windows
Post by: Phantom Hoover on April 02, 2016, 11:24:10 am
It's also worth noting that you won't be able to launch Windows software directly from the Linux environment (because Linux processes work very differently to Windows ones); this is very much a tool for developers, not general use.