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Off-Topic Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sandwich on August 04, 2005, 06:19:53 am
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T-Minus 2 days, 18-24 hours... :drevil: (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,31159.0.html)
Let the guessing begin!
And if you find out, SHHHH!! ;)
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Oh........ if this is what I think it is, and it may not be, but then again it may be, but if it's not, but I reckon it is.......
interesting.
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Freespace 3? (I'm so gonna be flamed for this)
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If this is what I think it is, you're off your freaking heads. OMG, ze lack of content!!
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SCP 3.6.7???
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HLP switching hosts?
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The end of days. :(
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HLP 3.0?
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Until I am announced Supreme Overlord of the Planet...?:devil:
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Until the End of What Is and the Beginning of What Shall Be
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I hope everything's been bubble-wrapped?
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Originally posted by Galemp
I hope everything's been bubble-wrapped?
I trust so. ;)
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hmmm...............2 days eh?
Sunday evening?
:p
(technically, it's correct you know! :P)
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2 days from when I posted, which makes it 8am-2pm Sunday for me. :)
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Still sunday - and it's evening somewhere else in the world, so I'm still right!
Now what do I get?? :p
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Sunday, woo woo!
Hmm, I'm nervous, especially if it has to do with Changing HLP. Remember April 1st? ;)
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So soon?!
Is everything ready? Are the turrets armed? We needn't any raiders destroying our shipments......
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It has nothing to do with HLP, really... although I could say that on a certain level, HLP will look better than ever. :D
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I know! It's a SCP trailor! Or a HLP Trailor....or something promoting SCP or HLP?
Damnit!
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Is it something that only women can use?
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It has nothing to do with HLP, really... although I could say that on a certain level, HLP will look better than ever. :D
oooh? Is this when that thing for the new stuff is going to be released to those people?
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Will Moddelers take over the gaming world?:drevil:
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Is it classified as animal, vegetable or mineral?
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I'd say the closest of those is mineral.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It has nothing to do with HLP, really... although I could say that on a certain level, HLP will look better than ever. :D
HLP isnt the only thing it will improve... ;7
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vB upgrade?
Browser upgrade?
EDIT: Shush now. // Sandwich
OMG ZE CENSORING!!! //vyper
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Hardlight 3.0?...
ZORT SEES ALL!
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Before opening this thread, I thought it would be about the release of the F.E.A.R demo.
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I'm going to guess that it's when Discovery is due for re-entry.
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I was guessing HLP 3.0 myself...
...then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it were Cobra's banning as well. :nervous:
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I think it has something to do with cheese, bread, and bunny rabbits.
WHAT?
Wait then again I think it is maybe possibly a parakeet..... yep.... most definitely a parakeet.:nod:
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I thought this thread was about that "power of 3" thing on the nvidia website. Anyone know what that is?
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Ooh! ooh! Silent Threat: Reborn!
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Wrong forum for that. :p
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[/shhh]
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For all you "Ooh, HLP 3.0!!!!" peeps...
Originally posted by Sandwich
It has nothing to do with HLP, really... although I could say that on a certain level, HLP will look better than ever. :D
Oh, yeah: t-minus 1 day, 20-26 hours. :D
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Originally posted by nuclear1
I was guessing HLP 3.0 myself...
...then again, I wouldn't be surprised if it were Cobra's banning as well. :nervous:
sigworthy
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An0n.
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HLP will look better than ever
I bet they're just changing the colour of one of the borders or something. Trying to get everyone to think it's something really big, so they can laugh at us. :doubt: :p
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Im still betting on some FS2 SCP demo or thing that we would give away to someone?
(i have not been keeping up on that issue)
Edit#3: But yes, its that or im voteing on a 3.6.7 or something.
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The 64th birthday of whoever runs HLP? :/
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It's an0n!
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64th? Hs..
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until the internet splodes.
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I love obtusity. :D
...and making up words. That's cool, too. :p
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Originally posted by Sandwich
I love obtusity. :D
...and making up words. That's cool, too. :p
Yep. bush does it all the time. Look how cool he is!
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Playing with words?
"HLP will look better..."
OMG HLP will spy out my PC. :eek:
...Perhaps a new website?
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Nah, not a new site. This one should remain forever.
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Well, I'm getting excited, I dunno about the rest of you. :p T-minus 21-27 hours! :D
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Well my eyes are something like "O_o" since I have no idea of what's going on (a very common event for me I might add).
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Ohh, youre buying me a new computer!
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IT'S AN0N! FLEEEEEE!
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This is an early april fool, isn't it? :p
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I would say it's a late April 1st joke.
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Nope. You'll see, hopefully, in 12-18 hours. :D
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Hopefully? Sounds promising. ;)
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Oh you guys are going to love this. I just know it.
It'll change the way you see things.
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OMG, you're going to allow custom avatars! :eek2:
;7 ;7 ;7
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Oh you guys are going to love this. I just know it.
It'll change the way you see things.
Well, I dunno about everyone else. :p
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Sheesh.. you sure do monitor this thread don't you? You must be ultrasharp :rolleyes:
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It's better be really good then. If it isn't... I know where you live. :D
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
Sheesh.. you sure do monitor this thread don't you? You must be ultrasharp :rolleyes:
:wakka:
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HLP 3.0 with an0n as Admin!!
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Derek Smart in a cage and a big pile of rocks for us to throw!
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#freespace on Quakenet.
He's there. :p
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Originally posted by Kalfireth
It'll change the way you see things.
HLP 3.0 -- Now With Free Laser Eye Correction!
i.e.: Carl shooting BFReds at people's faces. :nervous:
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For the Last Time, it really has nothing to do with HLP. Comprende?? :D
EDIT: Hey, Kal, you know what's so funny? The answer is right in their face. :drevil:
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I want a hint.
It does have something to do with the community, doesn't it?
Or is it some FS2 stuff?
When it happens, will we notice it fast?
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Actually I believe that Sandwich and I have given you enough hints. If you still don't get it, well you need a better screen.
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:lol:
Originally posted by DaBrain
I want a hint.
It does have something to do with the community, doesn't it?
Or is it some FS2 stuff?
When it happens, will we notice it fast?
If you want to find out what it is, you'd be wise to re-read this whole thread as if it were an old quest. :D
Or heck, just wait another 6.5-12.5 hours. :D
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Oh, and the first person to get it right gets A PRIZZE!!111one[/b] :D
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You guys are pathetic. Come on.
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Sheesh.. you sure do monitor this thread don't you? You must be ultrasharp :rolleyes:[/q]
Really. With all of the horrible puns that this place is known for... :sigh:
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I'm changing my answer to agree with what vyper said about a vB upgrade.
To 3.08, maybe?
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Kal, no prizes... some people have already gotten it. :p
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Good point. Ahh well, at least now I don't have to try and think of a prize :)
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Originally posted by nuclear1
I'm changing my answer to agree with what vyper said about a vB upgrade.
To 3.08, maybe?
Read my post again - why would Sarnie edit it without removing the offending line? ;)
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I must issue an apology to you all... I've been (re)playing The Longest Journey for the past 2 days (beat it, too, and I didn't remember a single solutiob from 4 years ago when I first played it), which kinda inspired the whole "figure out the secret" motif I got going here. ;)
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Shhh! :D // Sandwich
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I had no idea what this was until Kalfireth made that remark, which made it pretty obvious. :p
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I thought it would, but still some people haven't worked it out.
Oh, don't post what this is about untill everything is ready tomorrow. It makes it more interesting to keep people wondering :D
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An0n being admin of his own little HLP 3.0?
Seriously, why does this thread exist? Unless it has relevance to something besides the semi-obvious, it shouldn't really be here.
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even i am confused about this thread....
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Originally posted by Scuddie
An0n being admin of his own little HLP 3.0?
Look, there's hell freezing over.
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I hope it's not merely a vb upgrade...
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I think you all will be...... well, let's just say you won't expect it.
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They will be upset. Blood will be shed tomorrow, and chaos will reign from the skies.
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The array is coming back online? (wait - it's already online)
Upgrade to the main page?
New online RPG?
Upgrade to the overall forum interface?
VB 3.0?
Media VP 3.6.6?
FS2 Open 3.6.7?
Gamespy server upgrades? (and hence better speeds overall)
Getting rid of the ad banners?
Whole new highlight board?
Campiagn Release?
Ultra-mega screenshot d00m?
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Indeed, shouldn't the countdown have finished by now...?
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no, no at least 1 hour and 3 min to go.
Kal you be crakin me up bro. :lol:
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:drevil:
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Originally posted by Singh
Ultra-mega screenshot d00m?
Hmmm...! ;7
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Ooh, This Just In™: T-minus 40 minutes and counting!
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i can sit here an wait all day...
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Originally posted by Sandwich
Ooh, This Just In™: T-minus 40 minutes and counting!
That post was made at 3:15.
It is now 04:22.
Where's my surprise?
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I'm getting it ready... :)
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hrmmmmmm.... what is it....
/me tries to think what projects if any sandy is involved in
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It's really not something along those lines. I'll let Sandwich tell you all though, I think hes been looking forward to it :nod:
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oh.. basically it's completely unrelated to HLP or FS2
/yawn
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i know what it is now... /yawn
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[edit]to remove hint - CLEVAR! :D
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Here it comes now....
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Originally posted by Kazan
oh.. basically it's completely unrelated to HLP or FS2
/yawn
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i know what it is now... /yawn
damn.....and here I was hoping for something I could play or use....oh well - it was good while it lasted.:rolleyes:
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You guys are gonna kill me.... :D
(http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/surprise.png)
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Z0mg! ze rezolution! ;)
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I like the part where I completely miss whatever just did or did not happen.
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bah.......doesnt look like anything special......
(edit, apart from the resolution)
(edit2: what the hell?? FRED Campaign forum!!! OMG!! I wanna see what's inside!)
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bah, is that it? I thought you got four of those 2405s in a 2x2 array or something like that considering all this melodrama. :p
[edit] check this out: :D
home.comcast.net/~cp5670/Image1.png
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Where do you people get your FireFox themes?
I want links (maybe I'll profit from this thing after all <_<).
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All this was just about resolution? :wtf:
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I feel violated.
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You guys never noticed the linked smiley in my first post, did you? :p
Before:
(http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04321_thumb.JPG) (http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04321.JPG)
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...and after:
(http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/dell_2405fpw_thumb.jpg) (http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/dell_2405fpw.jpg)
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Dude! Clean your desk, please!
The monitor & kb are damn nice and naturally I'm jealous. :D
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Originally posted by Sandwich
It has nothing to do with HLP, really... although I could say that on a certain level, HLP will look better than ever. :D
Get 'im!! :mad:
:D
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Aww come on, you guys had plenty of hints ;)
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Now this is just disgusting: :D
(http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04331_thumb.JPG) (http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04331.JPG)
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:p
(http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04332_thumb.JPG) (http://staff.hard-light.net/sandwich/images/DSC04332.JPG)
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*Urge to kill...rising...*
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Originally posted by Fenrir
Where do you people get your FireFox themes?
I want links (maybe I'll profit from this thing after all <_<).
This is the homepage of mine: http://temporaer.net/open/themes/brushed.php
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You must be punished!
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GO to tools, then themes, then Get More Themes in the bottom right corner of the themes box.
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grognards?
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Moderators forum, or something...
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Last time I looked at Dell LCDs they had a refresh >16ms. I ended up with a 19" Hyundai with an 8ms refresh.
I just wish I could convince the monitor to tell windows when I rotate the screen and automatically switch to portrait mode.
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Get three more of them and then maybe we'll be impressed. At the moment, well, my monitor is better. :D
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So it's not what I thought it was? rakafrakin......
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hey, would you guys buy me one of them, it'd make work much easier for me. :)
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Are we rich now?
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:blah:
You ass.
What do you need a monitor of such obscene proportions for?
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Pr0n is better big.
And Bob, if you need a new monitor, I've got a nearly brand new Viewsonic 19" CRT that's looking for a new home now that its been replaced by the LCD. :D
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It's not that huge actually. Quite big, but not totally gigantic. Sort of like a 20" 4:3 monitor but with a little over 1.5 extra inches added on to either horizontal side. I was considering getting one myself a few months ago until I saw it in person, as they recently upgraded most of the monitors where I work and the division chief got one in his office. It's great for text and general windows usage, but somewhat unimpressive with graphics and motion. The main advantages are the big size and the built in card reader.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
You guys are gonna kill me.... :D
Sandwich, say hello to my little friends, the walking pirahnas. Be careful though... they are a little hungry.
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Originally posted by CP5670
It's great for text and general windows usage, but somewhat unimpressive with graphics and motion.
The trick is to get one with a response rate of <16ms, CP. Mine's got an 8ms response rate and you can't tell the difference between it and a CRT motionwise.
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Originally posted by EtherShock
:blah:
You ass.
What do you need a monitor of such obscene proportions for?
Considering I don't own, and never plan on owning, a TV, would you think much of a 24" TV? No, didn't think so. ;)
Watching movies, graphic design, seing my digital photos in almost full resolution (5 megapixels = 2592x1944), being uber-geeky, etc. :D
As for the response rate of the 2405, it's listed at 12ms, but the Samsung panel is listed at 8ms. Whatever - either way, it's fast enough for me... my GFX card certainly can't keep up in games with high details. :p :(
Originally posted by CP5670
Get three more of them and then maybe we'll be impressed. At the moment, well, my monitor is better. :D
Speaking of which, do you (or anyone else, duh) know of any window management utility helpful for high-resolution displays? Something that helps one make better use of a wide/tall display area than just plain "maximize"?
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Windowblinds, I think, will let you maximize height, without doing width.
I've never found anything that lets you tile windows effectively on large monitors, unfortunately. What would rock is a program that let you see a virtual monitor with a realtime window footpritns that you could manipulate. Grab the edge between a pair of windows and drag it and it would resize both windows on the desktop accordingly. Naturally it would not display modal windows or other non-resizable items.
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I'm going to start making these quotes small again like I used to, so they don't clutter up the post...
The trick is to get one with a response rate of <16ms, CP. Mine's got an 8ms response rate and you can't tell the difference between it and a CRT motionwise.
I can actually still see a bit of ghosting on 8ms panels in fast paced games, stuff like UT2004. They work well with slower games. One problem though is that every 8ms LCD I have seen uses a 6-bit TN panel and these look significantly worse than the 8-bit ones, especially with dark gradients. The manufacturers also tend to cheat and make up their own definitions so that they can quote smaller response times.
Anyway, I was actually referring to the refresh rate there. The Dells are only capable of 60hz/fps, which is a little low for some types of games, while there are some others out there that support a much better 75hz. I think some of the Samsung LCDs can do 75 at their native resolutions.
Speaking of which, do you (or anyone else, duh) know of any window management utility helpful for high-resolution displays? Something that helps one make better use of a wide/tall display area than just plain "maximize"?
I guess one useful thing to be able to do is to tile the windows with a single command, so that you can have two things open side by side, but I haven't seen any third party program that does this. The "tile windows" taskbar menu commands do all sorts of strange stuff except what they are supposed to do. :p
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You admins are really, really sick people.
I just now looked at this huge spam thread, BTW.
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*slaps Sandwich with a trout*
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Sandwich, does that model have the slight light bleed issue my 20" wide Dell 2005fpw has? I have a very slight bleed on all four corners which doesn't bug me at all since i rarely have all black imagery on screen.
The annoying thing about widescreen resolutions is finding ways to run games on it without it being stretched out of proportion. I found this site to be quite usefull in this matter: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/
Of course nothing beats an Apple 30 inch Cinema Display or connecting a compatible video card to a 60 inch LCD rare projection DLP HDTV. :)
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There's an easy way to play games, run them in a window if they will, otherwise set your video card to central output. However, I know many wouldn't like having a huge box either way when they play games.
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This is bull****. This is horrible. You got my hopes up. Ugly length of the computer. This is about the ugly computer or some sort of resonlution... revolution wha..um??
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The annoying thing about widescreen resolutions is finding ways to run games on it without it being stretched out of proportion. I found this site to be quite usefull in this matter: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/
You can sometimes mess with the configuration files to get custom resolutions in games that don't normally support them. The HUD might be messed up though; Deus Ex works fine in 2048x1536 but uses the huge, pixellated 320x240 HUD graphics. I actually prefer to have it like that though, as opposed to most other older games that leave everything at the same size and cause the HUD text to become tiny. The best thing is when a game rescales the HUD bits, like FS2 open.
With widescreen resolutions, I guess an FOV control is also necessary to make things look right, which is not always so easy to find. The 2405 is better in that respect than the 2005 though, since even if the game can't use widescreen correctly, it can still run at a respectable 1600x1200 without scaling, just with black bars on the sides.
Of course nothing beats an Apple 30 inch Cinema Display or connecting a compatible video card to a 60 inch LCD rare projection DLP HDTV.
The best thing would be to use a projector. In fact, just two days ago, I was practicing a presentation I will be giving in one of the lecture rooms where I work and had the room to myself, so when I was done running through my slides I fired up the original C&C for a minute, one of the few games on my laptop, and played it on something like a 20' by 16' screen. :D
Also, Sandwich, your desk is seriously cluttered, especially in the newer picture. Mine is larger but has practically nothing on it except for the computer. :p
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Originally posted by mikhael
Pr0n is better big.
Yeah, well other than pr0n. We all know it can be used for that. ^_^ I suppose it's really good for watching movies on and graphics. I wonder how tiny the text is at that resolution.
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Cute.
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Originally posted by Carl
grognards?
I'm actually more concerned with the fact that the forum description is "DESTROY ALL HUMANS!" :blah:
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Originally posted by CP5670
I can actually still see a bit of ghosting on 8ms panels in fast paced games, stuff like UT2004. They work well with slower games. One problem though is that every 8ms LCD I have seen uses a 6-bit TN panel and these look significantly worse than the 8-bit ones, especially with dark gradients. The manufacturers also tend to cheat and make up their own definitions so that they can quote smaller response times.
Anyway, I was actually referring to the refresh rate there. The Dells are only capable of 60hz/fps, which is a little low for some types of games, while there are some others out there that support a much better 75hz. I think some of the Samsung LCDs can do 75 at their native resolutions.
Here's the specs (http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitors_n_Industrial/LTM240M1/LTM240M1.htm) of the panel used in the 2405 - they state an 8ms refresh rate. :D
Originally posted by Omniscaper
Sandwich, does that model have the slight light bleed issue my 20" wide Dell 2005fpw has? I have a very slight bleed on all four corners which doesn't bug me at all since i rarely have all black imagery on screen.
If you want to read through this thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=867944&page=1) from HardOCP, you'll see that all of the issues with the 2005FPW were fixed in the 2405, primarily due to using a Samsung panel instead of an LG (IIRC). No backlight bleeding, 1 stuck pixel reported out of 20+ people who bought the 2405 (one pixel, not one person with stuck pixels, mind you), etc.
Originally posted by Omniscaper
The annoying thing about widescreen resolutions is finding ways to run games on it without it being stretched out of proportion. I found this site to be quite usefull in this matter: http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/
Yes, I've seen that forum referred to many, many times. I've never actually goten around to clicking through and looking around though, primarily because I haven't had a widescreen until yesterday morning, and secondarily, the only game I tried was FarCry, which natively supports my monitor's native resolution. :)
As for the stretching, either play at the native resolution (hah!), or set the monitor to scale the image up while preserving the aspect ratio.
Originally posted by CP5670
Also, Sandwich, your desk is seriously cluttered, especially in the newer picture. Mine is larger but has practically nothing on it except for the computer. :p
Yes, I know. My new monitor will be the incentive I need to get around to cleaning up my desk... once I get the time to. :-/
Originally posted by EtherShock
I wonder how tiny the text is at that resolution.
It may have an enormously high resolution, but since it's also 24" diagonal, what is on screen is actually the size of what things were on my old 17" CRT monitor running at 1280x960.
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Here's the specs (http://www.samsung.com/Products/TFTLCD/Monitors_n_Industrial/LTM240M1/LTM240M1.htm) of the panel used in the 2405 - they state an 8ms refresh rate. :D
Dell themselves says it is 12ms though:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-4221&category_id=4058&brandid=56
As I said, there is no standard definition of response time, so every company makes up their own. Samsung is especially notorious for twisting definitions to show better monitor specs (they do the same thing with dot pitches on shadow mask CRTs), so I'd be more inclinded to trust the Dell rating. This situation is kind of pathetic. :p
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Originally posted by CP5670
Dell themselves says it is 12ms though:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-4221&category_id=4058&brandid=56
As I said, there is no standard definition of response time, so every company makes up their own. Samsung is especially notorious for twisting definitions to show better monitor specs (they do the same thing with dot pitches on shadow mask CRTs), so I'd be more inclinded to trust the Dell rating. This situation is kind of pathetic. :p
You're right, it all depends on how you test. According to THG (http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050706/professional_lcd-12.html):
[q]The latency of this panel has been specified sometimes as 25 ms, sometimes 8 ms G2G (grey to grey), so it's difficult to know what to believe. So we measured the panel's latency to get to the heart of the matter. It is, as you'd expect, a great performer.
The profile at least is odd. Our tests showed that the product uses a base overdrive solution to achieve the latency figures that we can see here. Now overdrive isn't a miraculous solution as you can see, with latency reaching 23 ms in the worst case. It's better than most of the TN+ screens on the market, but it's still noticeably on the slow side compared to the ViewSonic VP191b.[/q]
However, THG uses a vastly different method at testing LCD response time, resulting in measurements that cannot be compared to manufacturer's stated times. Their "ultimate LCD" in that regard (at least, the one they compare all others to) gets 12-15ms - hardly what the manufacturer's rating of 8ms would lead you to think.
HOWever, THG is hardly reliable anymore in these things (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1632185): they state further down:
[q]Video noise while watching DVDs is strongly evident. This is a shame, because the format of the screen would be perfect for this application. Forget it, though - there is definitely too much video noise and, in addition, viewing angles aren't suitable.[/q]
The "video noise" he complains about is only apparent because the 2405 is so dang bright! ;) I can lower the brightness to literally zero, out of 100, bring a friend into the room - during the daytime, too - and they'll comment on how bright the monitor is. At the factory default of 50 it's waaay too bright (unless you want to use it in direct sunlight, perhaps), and 100 made my room last night look like it was lit up by a regular 1.5 meter flourescent bulb. :D
But what got me was his outright insane comment on the viewing angles not being "suitable". There's a slight change in brightness depending on whether you're sitting in front of the monitor or viewing on the side (it's a wee bit less blindingly bright from the side), but the colors remain the same - no nasty LCD color inversions or solarizations or whatever it's called. We watched a movie last night, 4 of us, with me way over on the side on my bed, probably about 60 degrees off-center, and I had absolutely NO problems at all. Additionally, I looked from as close to 90 degrees as possible (the bezel prevents viewing from a true 90 degrees off-center), and up to about 87-88 there's no color shifting worth speaking of - certainly not as much as the darkening you get when viewing "flat" CRT monitors from about 50 degrees and beyond.
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Too much tecnhical crap. A computer is a computer. Same goes for the ugly long computer he got..
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The "video noise" he complains about is only apparent because the 2405 is so dang bright! ;) I can lower the brightness to literally zero, out of 100, bring a friend into the room - during the daytime, too - and they'll comment on how bright the monitor is. At the factory default of 50 it's waaay too bright (unless you want to use it in direct sunlight, perhaps), and 100 made my room last night look like it was lit up by a regular 1.5 meter flourescent bulb. :D
But what got me was his outright insane comment on the viewing angles not being "suitable". There's a slight change in brightness depending on whether you're sitting in front of the monitor or viewing on the side (it's a wee bit less blindingly bright from the side), but the colors remain the same - no nasty LCD color inversions or solarizations or whatever it's called. We watched a movie last night, 4 of us, with me way over on the side on my bed, probably about 60 degrees off-center, and I had absolutely NO problems at all. Additionally, I looked from as close to 90 degrees as possible (the bezel prevents viewing from a true 90 degrees off-center), and up to about 87-88 there's no color shifting worth speaking of - certainly not as much as the darkening you get when viewing "flat" CRT monitors from about 50 degrees and beyond.
Yeah, there have been quite a few complaints about THG's 2405 review. I believe the 2405 has an MVA panel, which is much better than the TN panels in most 8ms LCDs in terms of viewing angles and just about everything else except for response times. I didn't notice any viewing angle problem on the director's monitor at work, although the colors weren't great in the first place.
As for the viewing angles on CRTs, that only happens on shadow mask monitors, which are crap IMO compared to the aperture grill ones. The image on mine doesn't distort or discolor at all even if I look at it directly from the side.
My laptop LCD has a horrible viewing angle though. It's so bad that you can't get uniform colors across the screen no matter where you look at it from, since about half of the screen is always outside the viewing angle. :p
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I hear you about the brightness, Sandwich. Mine's got a mode to cut the brightness in half, regardless of the brightness setting (so it even cuts it in half when the brightness is set to 0, which is what I have to do). Good thing too: it makes my eyes water any other way.
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Originally posted by Charismatic
Too much tecnhical crap. A computer is a computer. Same goes for the ugly long computer he got..
It's a screen. Also known as a monitor. Get it right!!!!!1111oneone
Originally posted by CP5670
Yeah, there have been quite a few complaints about THG's 2405 review. I believe the 2405 has an MVA panel, which is much better than the TN panels in most 8ms LCDs in terms of viewing angles and just about everything else except for response times. I didn't notice any viewing angle problem on the director's monitor at work, although the colors weren't great in the first place.
This director has a 2405?
Originally posted by CP5670
As for the viewing angles on CRTs, that only happens on shadow mask monitors, which are crap IMO compared to the aperture grill ones. The image on mine doesn't distort or discolor at all even if I look at it directly from the side.
Oh, well, if you say so. All I know is that my brother's AOC 19" is pretty annoying fom the sides.
Originally posted by CP5670
My laptop LCD has a horrible viewing angle though. It's so bad that you can't get uniform colors across the screen no matter where you look at it from, since about half of the screen is always outside the viewing angle. :p
Move your head farther away. :p
Originally posted by mikhael
I hear you about the brightness, Sandwich. Mine's got a mode to cut the brightness in half, regardless of the brightness setting (so it even cuts it in half when the brightness is set to 0, which is what I have to do). Good thing too: it makes my eyes water any other way.
That's an interesting feature; useful for the end user, obviously, but I wonder what made the engineers put in such a feature in the first place.
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This director has a 2405?
yeah, as I said, they upgraded all the monitors back in June. I guess he had enough clout to get a 2405 ordered for himself. :D I and the other two summer internship students in the division use his machine when we need to download stuff onto flash drives, since we are all on Sun Ultrasparc boxes that are so old that they don't have USB ports. :p
Move your head farther away.
That doesn't help much unless I walk several feet away. It also makes the already tiny text unreadable, since the native resolution is 1400x1050 and it's a 14.1" screen. It's just a POS panel.
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I think your resolution is just too big for such a small screen. What kind of laptop you got?
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A Dell Latitude D600 that's about 17 months old. It sucks, but I got it for free at a competition. The only reason I keep it at 1400x1050 is that it looks even worse when scaled down to a non-native resolution.
All laptop LCDs seem to be like that though. Laptops with 17" widescreens use the same 1920x1200 resolution that Sandwich was showing off on a 24" desktop monitor. I have no idea why it's like this.
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That's being corrected; the new Dell 17" uses a 1280x960 native (or something like it, I don't have it handy to check). The one I just got though, three years old, has a 1600x1200 monitor that can't be much bigger than 15". Maybe the optimal viewing location is considered closer to the screen than on a desktop?
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I just wish they'd move beyond Sony Clie screen DPI, to where individual pixels are not discernable, and the OS everything according to the actualy physical size it is when displayed on-screen. :)
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All I can add to this is that I remember playing Multiplayer Quake on I-Books, and the moment your head moved the tiniest fraction, you got the most horrible wash-outs and colour fades that the game was unplayable. Three of us were playing using I-Books, the person who won the game wasn't actually at the computer because they'd been called away, and thus hadn't blundered into huge holes or pools of lava as many times :/
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It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it that ****s.
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My Dell C840 is a 1600x1200 display and its absolutely perfect. Lightwave is painfully lovely on this thing. :D
Originally posted by Sandwich
I just wish they'd move beyond Sony Clie screen DPI, to where individual pixels are not discernable, and the OS everything according to the actualy physical size it is when displayed on-screen. :)
You should see the screen on my Axim X50v. 480x640, on a PDA screen. The display is so fine grained that you REALLY have to look close to see the pixels.
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That's being corrected; the new Dell 17" uses a 1280x960 native (or something like it, I don't have it handy to check). The one I just got though, three years old, has a 1600x1200 monitor that can't be much bigger than 15". Maybe the optimal viewing location is considered closer to the screen than on a desktop?
This would be very good to see. The small dot pitches on laptops are great for games but bad for Windows usage, but since laptops are usually only used for normal Windows tasks, it makes no sense to have such high resolutions. I don't know how close they expect you to sit. I have to really lean forward and have my eyes less than seven inches from the screen to see things for extended periods without squinting.
What makes matters worse is that I'm used to 1280x960 on my main 20" viewable monitor, so things on the laptop look very small in comparison. I use 1280x960 most of the time in Windows since it makes on-screen text about the same size as printed stuff, and only go up to 1600x1200 or 2048x1536 for occasional graphics work. Things still looks perfectly sharp at 2048 and the refresh rate is the same, but text becomes really tiny and starts to hurt my eyes after a little while.
I have heard that my monitor can unofficially do 2340x1755 and 2560x1920, although only at 75hz and 60hz respectively. It would be really fun to try those resolutions out, but the only video cards that support them are some Matrox workstation cards that cost several thousand dollars.
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Interesting article on the origins of widescreens: http://www.dvdcreation.com/2001/01_jan/features/widescreen_scam.htm
Originally posted by mikhael
You should see the screen on my Axim X50v. 480x640, on a PDA screen. The display is so fine grained that you REALLY have to look close to see the pixels.
I'm pondering whether to get the Axim X50v or the upcoming Axim with internal HDD (supposedly coming this fall). Battery life will probably suffer significantly unless they compensate. Either way, I still have 3 more months of payments before I have the weight of this monster off my back. ;)
Originally posted by CP5670
I have heard that my monitor can unofficially do 2340x1755 and 2560x1920, although only at 75hz and 60hz respectively.
That's insane. My 5 megapixel camera takes photos at resolutions of 2592x1944!
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That article was interesting, and it makes perfect sense, except for one thing: blocking out parts of the frame! That's just ridiculous from a photographer's standpoint. If it's not supposed to be seen, then don't include it in the frame.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
I'm pondering whether to get the Axim X50v or the upcoming Axim with internal HDD (supposedly coming this fall). Battery life will probably suffer significantly unless they compensate. Either way, I still have 3 more months of payments before I have the weight of this monster off my back. ;)
Well, I'd avoid the Axim with the hard drive. You can get 2gig CF cards now for a quarter of what it will cost you to get that very, very expensive micro-hard drive. You'll get better battery life to boot. Sure, you'll be replacing the CF card after a while, but by the time you do, you'll be able to get an even bigger one for yet less.
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I think widescreen looks good for games because it matches the human eye's field of view more closely than 4:3, but I wouldn't get a widescreen right now due to poor compatibility with older games, which I play quite a bit. Also, there are some issues with using a widescreen resolution for multiplayer FPS games. You have to adjust the FOV to make it look right, but this is considered cheating in many games and most servers do not allow it.
There is actually a 16:9 widescreen 22.5" viewable CRT out there that I was considering, but you basically are limited to used ones these days since it went out of production in late 2003 or something, and anyway it doesn't have the superior refresh rates and superbright mode that the one I eventually decided on has.
That's insane. My 5 megapixel camera takes photos at resolutions of 2592x1944!
My camera has that resolution too, so those images could be displayed almost fully. FS2 would also look pretty badass at 2560x1920, even if it's only 60hz. I would need one of those workstation cards though, which despite their extreme prices, use ancient 3D chips that wouldn't be any good for anything beyond old DX7 games, and even then not at those resolutions. I guess they are only intended for 2D usage; I've heard of some photoshop pros with those cards that got these big resolutions to work well with this monitor.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Well, I'd avoid the Axim with the hard drive. You can get 2gig CF cards now for a quarter of what it will cost you to get that very, very expensive micro-hard drive. You'll get better battery life to boot. Sure, you'll be replacing the CF card after a while, but by the time you do, you'll be able to get an even bigger one for yet less.
How come it'd be easier on the battery? And... replace the CF card? Oh, wait... CF card. Not Microdrive. Gotcha. But I thought they cost a couple of appendages at such sizes...
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Originally posted by Mefustae
*Urge to kill... and steal... rising...*
Edited for clarity. :D
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I just went through this thread and restored all the images I'd posted that got culled as attachments or that were on a domain I lost access to.
For what it's worth, I still have the same monitor I got nearly 8 years ago, and to this day, I haven't had one single issue with it. Not a single dead/stuck pixel, nothing. It was some of the best money I've ever spent. Thanks, Dell! :)
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SCP 3.6.7???
I... just had to quote this, because it seems relevant to the near future. But maybe not.
:blah:
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SCP 3.6.7???
I... just had to quote this, because it seems relevant to the near future. But maybe not.
:blah:
You can already play with builds that are effectively 3.6.7, and have been able to for a couple months :shh:
Someone ban the prat who bumped this eight year old thread tho
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I would just like to know what made you decide to come back and do that after so very long?
Way before my time this thread.
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What I like is that both Thaeris and Battman experienced a bit of decimal fail there. 3.6.7 was released years ago. :p
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I think this thread might pre-date me finding HLP/SCP the first time lol
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What I like is that both Thaeris and Battman experienced a bit of decimal fail there. 3.6.7 was released years ago. :p
oops
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I would just like to know what made you decide to come back and do that after so very long?
Well, I've been working on a brochure-style site for a conference hall. On this site, there are photos of some of the different events that have been held there. One such event was back in 2007, and since I had attended that event, I thought I might have some unique pictures for it. So I opened up Picasa and began browsing back through history. Before too long, one thing led to the next and I found myself looking at the unboxing photos I'd taken of the monitor.
Then I saw the title of this thread in one of the photos, Googled it, and started re-reading through it for gits and shiggles. I came across my posts with missing photos, and got annoyed that some domain squatter was injecting a banner into the thread in place of the photos, and figured I'd go ahead and fix it.
Finally, I realized that this monitor, which I had researched a ton and invested so much money into, was still in perfect condition, even after nearly 8 years of almost constant use, and figured I'd add something of worth and report that. :)
...glad you asked? :D
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I would just like to know what made you decide to come back and do that after so very long?
Well, I've been working on a brochure-style site for a conference hall. On this site, there are photos of some of the different events that have been held there. One such event was back in 2007, and since I had attended that event, I thought I might have some unique pictures for it. So I opened up Picasa and began browsing back through history. Before too long, one thing led to the next and I found myself looking at the unboxing photos I'd taken of the monitor.
Then I saw the title of this thread in one of the photos, Googled it, and started re-reading through it for gits and shiggles. I came across my posts with missing photos, and got annoyed that some domain squatter was injecting a banner into the thread in place of the photos, and figured I'd go ahead and fix it.
Finally, I realized that this monitor, which I had researched a ton and invested so much money into, was still in perfect condition, even after nearly 8 years of almost constant use, and figured I'd add something of worth and report that. :)
...glad you asked? :D
Yes.
Oh, my TV is over 20 years old. It's the only one I've ever owned.