[Bobboau]

k, I've decided to help kaz work on PCS2 and I'll be working on the UI, I want some general user feed back before I do much work, I am planning on writing this stuff starting with the details, so item editors before chunk editors. arrays will have there own common control with a combo box and new/delete/copy buttons.
thing I'm not sure how to proceed with right now is vectors, should I go with the traditional three box editor, or would a single box be better? with a single box you'd be able to copy and paste whole vectors a lot easier, but it would require some sort of parsed syntax like x,y,z which might be a little clumsy.

[Kazan]

i need to dig up my feature list plan and link it... finding it
http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,41648.0.html

[Bobboau]

ok, but this thread is specificly for the UI.

BTW anyone here want to make some icons for the new/delete/copy buttons?
if not you'll be inflicted with the ones I used on Aurora, well I thought they were pretty good, I'll give them tool tips this time. or maybe just text buttons, but it'd be nice if they could all be the same shape and size.

[Taristin]

Make it skinnable THat way I can eventually match it to my vista theme!

[takashi]

and, as any noob would want, a viewer to see where things are going. maybe even having all the images and backrounds as editable files? (one way to make it skinnable, like fidos SFDB)

[Unknown Target]

Bob, I'd really suggest taking a looking at Modelview for how to work the interface - it's very useful to have the WYSIWYG ability of Modelview.

[Turambar]

a half-decent renderer and less confusing tabbage please.

[Turey]

a half-decent renderer and less confusing tabbage please.

Either shading on the render or better texture support. It's hard to see with just a white blob.

[Unknown Target]

You know what would be awesome? A 3D interface, with windowed options menus.

[Bobboau]

yeah, a 3d display is already there, it'll work sort of like my ill fated Aurora did, editors on one side 3d display on the other, or that's the general jist.

my current plan of action is to have two control panels, one for navigating the model's data types, the other for editing data. the navigator will be a tree which will have all of the diferent data types and as subnodes you will be able to get at the individual data items, if you select a parent there will be an editor pop up in the editor pane, you will be able to select an entire chunk or just part of it.

how does that sound?

and does anyone have anything to say about the vector thing?

[Kazan]

for those of you who haven't seen the PCS interface
http://www.ferrium.org/media/pcs-alpha-20050902.jpg

[Flipside]

Would this thread serve you better if I moved it to SCP? Since there's two threads on this already, you could use this one to discuss development and the others to collect input?

Let me know if that'll help and I'll move it over

[Scooby_Doo]

I like that interface, reminds me a bit of HWSE. 

[Nuke]

can we get vector fields that look like this

note the copy and paste buttons, so you can copy individual fields or the whole vector. actually id like to be able to copy and paste from any level of scope.

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[Bobboau]

Would this thread serve you better if I moved it to SCP? Since there's two threads on this already, you could use this one to discuss development and the others to collect input?

Let me know if that'll help and I'll move it over

no, looking for modder feedback, not FSO feedback, the other thread was about me hacking a few message boxes into PCS1, it got hijacked by this, it's not about this.

@nuke: I suppose I could do it that way, but it would be a bit clumsy to code and to use, if others vote for that over anything else I'll do it.

[Nuke]

or just have single fields for vectors with separators like 0.123'4.56'7.89, then they can be cut+paste all as a string then converted back to numbers internally. you could probably use some internal formatting, sorta like the ip address fields in network settings. with a right click menu you still have the option to copy + paste a single number.



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[Kazan]

feel free to flesh out the interface to the pcs_file class with needed function (look at POFHandler if you don't get what i mean - it's fleshed out)

[Scooby_Doo]

A slightly dumb request. I know it'll slow down conversion a bit but PLEASE but in some sort of progress bar during the conversion.  That way you'll know it's actually working and not hung up.

[Kazan]

A slightly dumb request. I know it'll slow down conversion a bit but PLEASE but in some sort of progress bar during the conversion.  That way you'll know it's actually working and not hung up.

5 steps ahead of you

and it doesn't appreciably slow things down

[Bobboau]

yeah nuke those are basicly the two options I need to pick between, and I just can't quite figure out which one I want.