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Off-Topic Discussion => Gaming Discussion => Topic started by: An4ximandros on April 20, 2013, 02:16:38 pm
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http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/20/crowdfunders-fail-to-win-homeworld-ip-in-thq-auction-issue-refu/
http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/19/4241412/teampixel-outbid-on-homeworld-ip-by-mysterious-buyer-refunding
http://www.vg247.com/2013/04/19/homeworld-backers-to-be-refunded-after-ip-escapes-teampixel/
The indie studio that wanted to get the funds to get the IP failed... because someone with moar money showed up. No idea who it is, though.
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Uh, just about everyone outbid Team Pixel from what I heard. Stardock came in second and Paradox third.
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If there is such interest, then I guess it's.. good?
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Well, never though those guys had a real chance anyway (and even if they got the IP they would screw up their own plans with it)
If there is such interest, then I guess it's.. good?
To be determined ...
While Sega owns Relic now and it'd be cool if the IP goes to Relic. However Sega is one of my least favorite publishers (only outdone by Ubisoft right now) and it would be a shame if the fate of a new HW game would be determined by Sega...
So anyword on who did win the auction?
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We'll know who wins some time in May.
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Hopefully we'll get some details on Monday.
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Stardock could make a good Homeworld game. They actually kinda already did (but I can't remember the freaking name!).
Not so convinced that Paradox could.
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I don't think anyone needs the HW license to make a good HW-like game.
IE: who cares who ends up getting it, that won't mean they will have the drive to make it, or that someone else won't have the drive to make it under a new license.
The Homeworld name doesn't have any weight outside of a very small number of diehard fans anyway. I'm all for a revival of the genre, and I doubt it requires a revival of the franchise.
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Stardock could make a good Homeworld game. They actually kinda already did (but I can't remember the freaking name!).
Not so convinced that Paradox could.
Paradox would release Homeworld 3 for full price at 50% completion.
Then patch it to 100% afterwards. Never buy a paradox released game at launch. ever.
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IE: who cares who ends up getting it
Apparently everyone who actually bid money on it, for starters.
But seriously, I could have been happy with Homeworld as a Stardock property. They'd use it. They'd do well with it. They know how to make spacey games. Paradox does its best work with management simulators and doesn't have a great history at the tactical level.
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Stardock makes 4x games (Galactic Civilizations, Fallen Enchantress), not spacey games. They'd most likely end up handing some or all of it off to Ironclad though, who do know spacey games since they made the excellent RTS Sins of a Solar Empire.
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Stardock makes 4x games (Galactic Civilizations, Fallen Enchantress), not spacey games.
GalCiv is pretty spacey.
Plus I DO remember their Homeworld Clone pretty fondly, if only I could remember the freaking name. I think I've even mentioned it, eons ago, here. I was modeling a ship based on it.
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Sins of a Solar Empire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6pWM9Ct6ba8#t=169s)?
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Stardock makes 4x games (Galactic Civilizations, Fallen Enchantress), not spacey games.
GalCiv is pretty spacey.
Plus I DO remember their Homeworld Clone pretty fondly, if only I could remember the freaking name. I think I've even mentioned it, eons ago, here. I was modeling a ship based on it.
I doubt it was Sins since Stardock didn't get involved in that until recently. Hegemonia and ORB were the other games notably similar to Homeworld but Stardock wasn't involved in them.
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Ah. ORB it was.
They were selling it, though, and I don't remember another name on the game. Ah well.
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Stardock makes 4x games (Galactic Civilizations, Fallen Enchantress), not spacey games.
GalCiv is pretty spacey.
Plus I DO remember their Homeworld Clone pretty fondly, if only I could remember the freaking name. I think I've even mentioned it, eons ago, here. I was modeling a ship based on it.
I doubt it was Sins since Stardock didn't get involved in that until recently. Hegemonia and ORB were the other games notably similar to Homeworld but Stardock wasn't involved in them.
Stardock's been handling the publishing for Sins since the 2008 release, so they've been involved for quite a while. It wasn't until Rebellion though that they actually started producing code for it.
And NGTM-1R, GalCiv may be a spacey game, but it plays like Civilization, not an RTS. They're also pretty heavily focused on that fantasy 4x game Fallen Enchantress, so I would definitely say their internal games development is focused on 4x rather than anything specifically spacey.
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4x rather than anything specifically spacey.
It's not a matter of focus. They have people on staff who can manage a decent look and feel for such a game, which is pretty much half of the work. Maybe it ends up being a 4x title, I don't much care, but I believe they could have made a title that felt like Homeworld.
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And the lucky winner is..... Gearbox
http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1029/homeworld-acquisition-and-plans/ (http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1029/homeworld-acquisition-and-plans/)
Excuse me while I go and cry in the corner. After the whole Aliens fiasco, excuse me if my faith is lacking...
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SskYInJWbHo#t=19s)oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghvDpgphmoI)ooooooooooooooooooooo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKss2uYpih8)ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Eal4fep7pK4#t=24s)
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Well, I've never heard of them, but they're asking for input. So maybe those of you who have an interest in the future of Homeworld should go and talk to them. Surely it can't hurt?
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with the intent of making them accessible on today's leading digital platforms.
What do they mean by that, next-gen console platforms, or distribution platforms like Steam ?
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So according to RPS, their first priority will be to make these games accessible to modern platforms. If they can do that, that's gonna be a good thing.
As for new games using the Homeworld IP.... I dunno. Gearbox is generally a solid developer (ACM notwithstanding), but they don't seem to have RTS experience.
Well, I've never heard of them, but they're asking for input. So maybe those of you who have an interest in the future of Homeworld should go and talk to them. Surely it can't hurt?
You've never heard of Borderlands?
with the intent of making them accessible on today's leading digital platforms.
What do they mean by that, next-gen console platforms, or distribution platforms like Steam ?
I'm gonna be positive about this and assume that that's what they want to do.
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with the intent of making them accessible on today's leading digital platforms.
What do they mean by that, next-gen console platforms, or distribution platforms like Steam ?
I'm gonna be positive about this and assume that that's what they want to do.
In case that was no clear, this was a XOR question, not an OR question.
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I've heard of Borderlands, but that's about as far as it goes. It's supposed to be a good game, right? So surely that's a positive thing if you like Homeworld.
For me, Homeworld 2 is just sitting around collecting dust. I've messed about with it before, but can't really get into it. I've had it a lot of years, and probably haven't gone past level 3 or 4.
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
nothing can describe the rage i currently feel
blood for the blood god
skulls for the skull throne
thankfully the solution is simple
we go to gearbox's studio and burn everything, then anoint the defiled homeworld rights in their blood
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(http://roneindyhiphop.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/haters-gonna-hate-pink-suit-black-dude-450x4521.jpg)
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:lol:
So, what's so bad about Gearbox? :D
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Better them than the random guys who wanted to kickstart it. At least Gearbox has some good games in their portfolio.
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:lol:
So, what's so bad about Gearbox? :D
They have absolutely no experience outside FPS? Their last game was a flop?
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:lol:
So, what's so bad about Gearbox? :D
They have absolutely no experience outside FPS? Their last game was a flop?
I'd never heard of them until right now.
Your first sentence is probably why.
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Yeah I really can't see Gearbox doing Homeworld justice. Their -entire- roster is safe, formulaic FPSes, they aren't about to find some hidden cache of groundbreaking creativity.
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Screw it, I'll make my own Homeworld! With physics and Geomod! ...actually scratch Geomod. :headz:
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Homeworld III: Hiigaran Marine
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And the lucky winner is..... Gearbox
http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1029/homeworld-acquisition-and-plans/ (http://www.gearboxsoftware.com/community/articles/1029/homeworld-acquisition-and-plans/)
Excuse me while I go and cry in the corner. After the whole Aliens fiasco, excuse me if my faith is lacking...
The only proper response (http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=yI6VXlNRrI0)
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Screw it, I'll make my own Homeworld! With physics and Geomod! ...actually scratch Geomod. :headz:
Actually like I've said before, It is not unlikely that an (already unlikely) revival of the genre could happen outside of the HW IP. You don't need it to be named Homeworld to make a good HW-ish game.
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I am cautiously optimistic.
Just look at this like (hypothetical) FS3 or Star Wars. The original guys haven't done anything with the IP since 2003, and depending who you ask, anything good since 2000. At least this way, we'll get something. And even if whatever it is isn't any good, we'll still have 1, Cataclysm, and 2; they can't take those away from us.
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But Gearbox did Opposing Force! I guess they haven't done much else good besides that?
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Valve laid all the groundwork there, it was harder to frak it up than not to.
I am still this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVMSC88N0M&list=PL0CA472011388E3AF) sad.
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But Gearbox did Opposing Force! I guess they haven't done much else good besides that?
Nonsense, Borderlands 1/2 were solid, if slightly flawed in some of their implementation, games. Gearbox has a bad rep right now because of the cluster**** that was Aliens: Colonial Marines.
Gearbox may be trying to broaden their horizons. I don't think this acquisition is a bad thing, necessarily.
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After this (http://www.destructoid.com/anonymous-whistle-blower-claims-gearbox-stole-from-sega-246558.phtml) cluster **** it's hard to trust Gearbox with franchises they have not created themselves.
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Here's what Gearbox can do, right now, no creativity required:
Step 1. Port 1, Cata, 2 to modern systems, release on Steam
Step 2. Make high-poly models of everything in the Homeworld games. Make flashy new visual and sound effects. Update the UI to modern functional standards, at least what we had in HW2.
Step 3. Release Homeworld 1(2), Homeworld: Cataclysm(2), and Homeworld 2(2).
Step 4. Mad profit!
Would you spend money on those games? I sure would.
How long do you think it would take a team that has successfully built 3+ entire, functional games and corresponding weapons, characters, and blasted landscapes, to re-do about 100 models and as many effects?
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Given the fecestrom (http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/forumdisplay.php?s=ee579dad840f8f275cca0fdeddcb8119&f=188) (:shaking:) in their forums, the best move they could do right now is making the HW2 engine Open Source, that could calm down the community a lot. I doubt they have the code, however.
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the best move they could do right now is making the HW2 engine Open Source, that could calm down the community a lot. I doubt they have the code, however.
That'd be nice. But if they're even remotely considering anything like my plan, it likely won't happen.
Also, step 5: Homeworld 2(3) - Dust Wars
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I am still this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVMSC88N0M&list=PL0CA472011388E3AF) sad.
Cheer up An4ximandros. They might surprise you. If they don't, well it's no different to what would have happened if the IP had stayed where it was.
It could have just as easily gone to a company you would have approved of, only for them to screw it up.
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By swimming through the cesspool that's the Homeworld GBox forum at this time, I came across the old HW2 2001 E3 Trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGUU611ZPA I though some of you might want to see it.
On topic: It seems Gearbox got everything that Relic had HW related once they lost the rights, this includes the engine source code. So there is a very slight possibility of a "Homeworld Open."
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Even if all they do is let me play HW1 through Steam, I'm really okay with this.
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Step 1. Port 1, Cata, 2 to modern systems
Port ? They already work natively. So I guess half of step one is already done. Good job Gearbox, that was helluva quick.
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On a bit more of a positive note after my original bout of depression, I will admit Gearbox is a great studio...when they really try. I loved both of the Borderlands games, thought they were well done, as well as OpFor. Additionally, if Gearbox wants to make an effort to at least make the HW games more stable on modern systems, more power to them, certainly no complaints here. I can't even play Cata right now because it simply hates my guts I guess. If they want to update them graphically in some form, even better.
What does concern me, though, is if/when Gearbox chooses to undertake a new HW title, is their workload at the time. They've demonstrated a lot of attention to detail and care put into their main titles, keyword being "main".
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It was already mentioned in the thread, but I feel it needs to be stated again: Gearbox has very little experience with anything but first person shooters.
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Everyone has to start somewhere. Relic had no experience in RTSes before they made Homeworld.
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Comment from Rock Paper Shotgun that simply must not go unmentioned here:
PRE ORDER HOMEWORLD 3 FOR THE HOME HUNTER DLC! GET THREE GOLD FIGHTERS AND THE EXCLUSIVE SPECIAL ARENA OF KADESH DLC MINI CAMPAIGN! COMES WITH SEXY HOME HUNTER ALTERNATE SKIN AND VOICE FOR KARAN SJET!
87394973497563496734659 MOTHERSHIP COMBINATIONS!
PRE ORDER YOUR SEASON PASS AND GET FOUR MISSION PACKS FOR THE PRICE OF THREE: HIGARA LOST, BENTUSI: THE RETURN, SAVE S’JET, TAKE BACK HIGARA! *****, DID YOU THINK THE STORY WOULD HAVE CLOSURE??
MORE FIGHTERS! MORE CORVETTES! MORE FRIGATES!
COMING 14 DAYS AFTER LAUNCH: HIGARA DEFENCE! HOW LONG CAN YOU SURVIVE AGAINST WAVES OF DEFENCE AGAINST THE TAIDAN WAR HOST! SEASON PASS HOLDERS GET A DISCOUNT!
MORE ION CANNONS! MORE TORPEDOES! MORE GUNS!
PREORDER NOW FOR CHOOSE YOUR OWN CONTRAIL DLC! BORED OF BORING TRAILS? US TOO! SWITCH IT OUT FOR FIRE! STARS! PUFFS OF SMOKE! WEED LEAFS!
420 BRO! MEMEWORLD! YOU GEDDIT REDDIT?
…The view pans along a orange nebula with highlights of pink. Adagio For Strings fades in. Something flashes past the camera, leaving a light blue contrail. The camera sweeps around a zooms in on a rusted Higaran fighter flying towards and familiar shape in the distance.
“****, anyone, come in!” A voice pipes over the radio. “OUR HOMEWORLD IS UNDER ATTACK YO!”
“This is Fleet Com, calm down. Now what the **** is up?” Karan replies, her boobs crammed in to the picture that appears next to her subtitles.
“YOU AINT ****ING LISTEN TO ME KARAN. PUT FLEET COM ON!” The fighter pilot replies. Fleet com cuts in. Karan’s picture is replaced by a bald space marine in power armour, smoking a cigar.
“Calm down pilot. We kicked the **** out of our enemies. Nobody was left. It’s the golden age of Higara.”
“ITS BACK YO AND ****S GETTING PRETTY REAL, AT HOMEWORLD”
“Who, pilot?” Karan’s picture looks perturbed, her tits ever higher.
“THE BEAST YO!”
Cut to text: AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS.
Music changes to: Adagio For Strings, 420 BONGMAN REMIX BY SKRILLEX.
Missiles hammer into rusty starships firing bullets at bio organic bad guys with glowy bits here and there. The same scene is replayed from different angles, changing at every drum beat.
Cut to text: TAKE BACK HIGARA.
Fighters strafe a mother ship, numbers burst out of every impact
HOMEWORLD 3: SUBTITLE Coming soon to XBOX 720 ARCADE and PLAYSTATION 4 STORE and IOS Devices.
No mention of PC.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/04/22/and-homeworld-went-to-gearbox/
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Music changes to: Adagio For Strings, 420 BONGMAN REMIX BY SKRILLEX.
:lol:
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Comment from Rock Paper Shotgun that simply must not go unmentioned here:
*snip*
Cut to text: TAKE BACK HIGARA.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/04/22/and-homeworld-went-to-gearbox/
Sarcasm cannot be taken in any fashion of seriousness because they didn't even do the minimal research to spell Hiigara properly. Credibility ruined.
If you're gonna be sarcastic, do it right or don't do it at all.
Those guys are just mindlessly bashing because it's gearbox, they don't give two ****s about HW. I find this sad. Feels like all the random unwarrated EA hate around here.
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Feels like all the random unwarrated EA hate around here.
There is no such thing as 'unwarrated' EA hate.
(It's spelled unwarranted btw, Credibility ruined.)
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(It's spelled unwarranted btw, Credibility ruined.)
:lol: :)
As for EA, now that they have acquired the rights to Star Wars, there are great possibilities for a shift one way or the other in the public's impression of EA...
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*insert NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO here*
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Feels like all the random unwarrated EA hate around here.
There is no such thing as 'unwarrated' EA hate.
(It's spelled unwarranted btw, Credibility ruined.)
Don't mind Matth, you know most of his opinions are essentially a flimsy veil over "I'M SMARTER THAN YOU LALALA"
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Feels like all the random unwarrated EA hate around here.
There is no such thing as 'unwarrated' EA hate.
(It's spelled unwarranted btw, Credibility ruined.)
Don't mind Matth, you know most of his opinions are essentially a flimsy veil over "I'M SMARTER THAN YOU LALALA"
A friendly reminder:
discuss peoples comments, not people in this part of the board. kthxbai
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Feels like all the random unwarrated EA hate around here.
There is no such thing as 'unwarrated' EA hate.
(It's spelled unwarranted btw, Credibility ruined.)
Don't mind Matth, you know most of his opinions are essentially a flimsy veil over "I'M SMARTER THAN YOU LALALA"
I feel so silly for thinking this was aimed at me for a moment, reading it as "Don't mind it Matth"
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/me dons modhat.
Calm down, please. Whether it was in jest or not, some people seem to be getting a little bent out of shape about it. I suggest the snide remarks turn instead toward EA, rather than each other. ;)
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This is General (Gaming) Discussion, where all topics are absorbed by the singularity of hatred.
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I suggest the snide remarks turn instead toward EA, rather than each other. ;)
I'm pretty sure that everyone making snide remarks of an only vaguely justifiable nature at EA was how we got here...if this is cyclical, I reserve the right to blame you.
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Duly noted that levity is not an effective response.
Srs modhat enabled for future use.
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If there is such interest, then I guess it's.. good?
Absolutely, I think this is a good thing. I hope the mystery buyer is Blizzard or Valve. It probably isn't though.
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While this was settled a while ago (it's Gearbox), I need to ask:
Why would you hope Blizzard got it? They pretty much specialise in destroying decent stories now. Blizzard is probably the last company I'd have wanted HW to end up with.