[Sarafan]

Take a look at the Lilith, its a threath even to a destroyer. The GTVA can easily make a cruiser that is also a threath to anything in battle with the tecnology they have.

[Mars]

Where is this technology to make a cruiser that's a threat to a destroyer coming from? We haven't seen this. The GTVA ship with the most power per ton is the Deimos, and all it has are TerSlashes.

[Sarafan]

Imagine a Aelous with vasudan beam canons or the most powerful terran counterpart.

[Mars]

You misunderstand me. In order to fire bigger beams, the reactor needs to be able to support bigger beams, we can assume the Aeoulus's reactor cannot support TerSlash beams, because this is not consistant with what we have seen GTVA cruisers capable of. GTVA cruisers are lucky to have one SGreen, to support TerSlash's is beyond their observed capability. In order to be a threat to a destroyer a cruiser would need bigger beams, if it can't even support a TerSlash, there seems little likelyhood of this.

[Sarafan]

Using the same vasudan reactor technology used on the Deimos would supply a cruiser with enough energy to support those kind of weapons.

[Pnakotus]

How do you know?  It's more a matter of volume, and the Deimos has room to stash a pretty huge powerplant in there.  Given that form follows function, I'd be very surprised if a Deimos-yield powerplant could be installed in a cruiser.  Aeolus is even a pretty poor layout for powerplant - if they extended the aft section to fill in the really stupid gap, things would doubtless  be different.

But the techroom thing just says it doesn't have enough to cut it against capships, which is (largely) true.  Clearly the emphasis in the GTVA fleet was shifting to larger, more capable ships.

[Polpolion]

[random opinion] I think cruisers should be kept to anti-fighter roles, unless they have a lot of armor, like the lilith. [/random opinion]

[Mars]

Except that they weren't originally for anti-fighter roles, they were generic capital ships, now the Deimos fufiled this role, displacing the cruisers, therefore, there is no reason why the Deimos could not replace the cruiser.

[Kosh]

Also look at it this way: The long term costs for a corvette are much higher than a cruiser.

[Mars]

That's true, however, we don't know how much long term costs in general are, for instance, fuel, Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe, so it's likely very cheap. Armor replacement however, is likely much more expensive.

[WeatherOp]

The main shortage would be crew, and in a war where you are losing destroyer after destroyer, each with 10,000 people.

[NGTM-1R]

"As the Leviathan and Fenris cruisers of the Great War are gradually phased out, these corvettes will become the foundation of tomorrow's fleet."

Seems pretty definitive to me.......

Doubtless Capella's going to put a bit of a different spin on that...and, as I've observed before, the GTVA's main bottleneck after suffering the losses they did in Capella is going to be personnel. You can deploy cruisers more quickly, because they have less crew.

[Sarafan]

Using the same vasudan reactor technology used on the Deimos would supply a cruiser with enough energy to support those kind of weapons.

I meant the technology, not the same reactor in use by the Deimos, the GTVA can simply scale down the reactor and install it on a cruiser. Doing that and replacing the beam canons it would make a really deadly ship. A cruiser also needs far less crew and maintenance.

Except that they weren't originally for anti-fighter roles, they were generic capital ships, now the Deimos fufiled this role, displacing the cruisers, therefore, there is no reason why the Deimos could not replace the cruiser.

Now as generic ships, corvettes are good, but on a defensive and anti-fighter roles a cruiser would be the best if just to free the corvette to concentrate on other things like engaging another capital ship.

[Mars]

Technology doesn't often scale down that easily, usually it takes considerable effort, time, and money.

Prehaps your right, preticularly after Capella, maybe the cruiser will make a comback as an anti-fighter warship.

[aldo_14]

Using the same vasudan reactor technology used on the Deimos would supply a cruiser with enough energy to support those kind of weapons.

That would seem rather a huge assumption, given the overall inadequacy of Vasudan cruisers.

[Kosh]

"As the Leviathan and Fenris cruisers of the Great War are gradually phased out, these corvettes will become the foundation of tomorrow's fleet."

Seems pretty definitive to me.......

Doubtless Capella's going to put a bit of a different spin on that...and, as I've observed before, the GTVA's main bottleneck after suffering the losses they did in Capella is going to be personnel. You can deploy cruisers more quickly, because they have less crew.

Not to mention the need for something to take out wing after wing of pirate fighters.

While a corvette takes over the strike and destroyer escort role, there is still a need for an anti-fighter platform. A wing of Myrmidons can only do so much without any kind of support.

[aldo_14]

Why do people always assume there will be loads of pirate fighters?  Where would they launch from?  How would they get military grade technology to threaten, say, a simple fighter escort wing?

And on other things, how do we know it's all that quicker to make a cruiser?  Are there still orbital shipyards, or will they not surely now all be setup for the supercedent Deimos (etc) class?   Also, to refer to an earlier comment, why are we comparing cruisers-to-corvette costs on a 1-to-1 basis?

[Colonol Dekker]

Good point Aldo, If you could finance the costs of two leviathans and maybe a fenris for one corvette, would it be more eviable in the current economic situation...

I say inance the costs, because you dont exactly saunter down to the nearest warship dealers.


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ME:
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"runs away"

[ZmaN]

^^^^^^

LMFAO THAT WAS REALLY FUNNY!

[Sarafan]

Using the same vasudan reactor technology used on the Deimos would supply a cruiser with enough energy to support those kind of weapons.

That would seem rather a huge assumption, given the overall inadequacy of Vasudan cruisers.

The problem with vasudan cruisers is the placement of the weapons and the Mentu is a strange case since the techroom states that its a effective ship and ingame it doesnt have beam canons.

Technology doesn't often scale down that easily, usually it takes considerable effort, time, and money.

Prehaps your right, preticularly after Capella, maybe the cruiser will make a comback as an anti-fighter warship.

Even better, just take the reactor from the Mentu install it on the Aeolus and you're done.

Why do people always assume there will be loads of pirate fighters?  Where would they launch from?  How would they get military grade technology to threaten, say, a simple fighter escort wing?

And on other things, how do we know it's all that quicker to make a cruiser?  Are there still orbital shipyards, or will they not surely now all be setup for the supercedent Deimos (etc) class?   Also, to refer to an earlier comment, why are we comparing cruisers-to-corvette costs on a 1-to-1 basis?

After the second great war, with the meager GTVA forces spread thin trying to cover all of its territory and with the economy already beginning to slide, its a perfect opportunity for piracy. Since a cruiser is smaller, requires less resources and crew its pretty clear its faster to be built. On the cost, I guess that you can make 2 Aelous with the price of a Deimos.