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Archived Boards => The Archive => Terran-Vasudan War => Topic started by: Solatar on October 12, 2002, 07:57:07 pm
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Here are four pics of the first mission of my test campaign. They are zipped up, and in bitmap format. They show some of the new ships that Woomeister has done. The fighter that you see it my own ship. It is a reskin of the Arwing by Killfrenzy.
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wierd double fenris's.. arwing ugly.. is that the Station form Machina Terra? :)
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That double Feniris is the GTC Repulse. One of our featured ships. Expertly skinned, complete with a new UV map by Woomeister. if that station is in Machine Terra, they must have gone ahead in time and gotten it, 'cause as far as I know ( correct me if I'm wrong ) Woomeister made it for our project.
As far as the reskinned Arwing goes, it was supposed to be one of the earliest ( and not so good looking ) GTA fighters ( Actually from the Unification War). It doesn't look any worse in my opinion as the original. Also, it WAS my first reskin ( Well, I renamed some .pcx's and made an Ancients cargo container ) so it shouldn't look like gold.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Arwing ( Actually the GTF Alpha. How the term Alpha ing originated. I think it will be called something else ) looks pretty old style space fighter. Don't you?
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Cool! When I get FS2 I'm downloading your mod no matter how big it is!
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If you have a 56k modem you'll think otherwise. It'll take my al night to upload it, and my connection is 11mbps. But thanks, it's good to know someone is really waiting for it.
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Say hello to my T1 conn, baby. I can DL a 600KB file in 3 seconds. You just gotta love it.
I'd make a big show of kissing my conn, but I'm afraid of getting electrocuted... :wtf: :nervous:
:D
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Well, I don't have to worry about downloading my own MOD. Just uploading it.:p
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Here's a few more. they show some of the new interface, and the models in more detail.
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I thinkthis mod will be very interestng and entertaining, keep up the good work!
BTW At fist I thought the Arwing was a stray model from Starfox... Maybe you should donate it for that mod? ;)
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Originally posted by Hades
If you have a 56k modem you'll think otherwise. It'll take my al night to upload it, and my connection is 11mbps. But thanks, it's good to know someone is really waiting for it.
GetRight works wonders. Usually. Unless you're using a server like Geocities that doesn't support pausing and resuming downloads. (HLP's server does I'm pretty sure.) I've used it to download the entire Direct X 6 SDK once, just to get compiled help files for the Windows Media Player 6 Active X control. ^_^* Can't remember whether the entire thing was 80 megs or whether each of the 3 exes was 80 megs, but it was a heck of a download.)
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Originally posted by Star Dragon
At fist I thought the Arwing was a stray model from Starfox... Maybe you should donate it for that mod? ;)
Eh? If you're meaning that the model came from Starfox, then you're correct - I made it, and I'm project leader of the Starfox Mod.
Also, I made that model as a test run - entirely from a VERY hazy memory, and I was quite pleased with how it turned out - even though it was wrong! :D
So no, it's not being donated to the mod because it was originally made for it in the first place! :D
And with regards to the GTF Alpha - make the hull textures lighter, and use a contrasting texture for the 'fins.' Also I would strongly suggest that you keep the original cockpit texture. :)
But otherwise it looks cool - I shall have to try and get this mod when it's finished, but I've only got a 56k.....:(
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Yes, I have to give credit to KIllfrenzy. And I probably will revert to the original cockpit. Also, I have something in mind.
I'm glad you guys like this. I would release what I have, but our hosting ins't up YET. Almost though.
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The Name I gave the GTF Alpha in my little guide was the GTF Mustang Alpha, with a bomber varient named, surprise, surprise, the GTB Mustang Beta. THe guide, for all intensive purposes is ready to be released to the team. What we'll do is, we'll work on filling it with all reference material, and use it as a guide to the mod. I think I'll toss in the thing Esh did before I send it.
Edit: Ok, picture wise, the Alpha does need some work buddy, I think maybe some different textures. I'm not a fan of that gray at all. Maybe combine the Fenris gray with the solar panel yellow on the wings, and that might work better. And Rename the Repulse to GTCv please.
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SO, we have the GTCv Repulse. Anyway, I KNOW the Alpha needs some work. I've already told everyone, that was my FIRST reskin ever. Get over it. Anyway, I cant UV map it or anything, but I'll try to add a new look to it.:D
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No, I don't think I will;)
Can't wait to see the new look of the Mustang
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I like the campaign idea alot, nice work.
and i still like it after i see the Repulse which looks like a large fishing boat ;)
The Station looks nice :yes:
question; i thought it was the Angel Scout Fighter? seems awfuly slow for a scout. Did you just fit it to your story needs?
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Okay, here is why the Angel is a fighter for the beginning of the campaign ( and the Unification War ).
In Silent Threat, what was the Loki? Answer, the Loki was a fighter.
In fs2, what was the Loki. Answer, the Loki was a scout.
So, when the TVWar breaks out, the Angel is the main fighter. Later on, after better fighters come out, it is reassigned to scouting duties.
Also, I really like the Repulse. You should have seen it before Woomeister gave it Fenris style maps. It looked like a large piece of paper.
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Angel Fighter : Gotcha
Repulse: i don't mean its bad or anything, cool idea too, just looks a lil funky to me
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It does look like a boat, but so does the Fenris, just a smaller boat.
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The Repulse looks too...goofy, I guess, in the front. I'm not sure I like all that hull bulging out. It should be made boxier, like the middle and rear already are. Most Terran ships are rather boxy anyway.
Other than that, :yes: :yes: :yes:
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Reminds me of a Cadilac... the kind you see in MacDonalds form the 50's
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Hades, have you retextured that ship or would you like me to do it? :D
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2 Questions - Is the angel Wireframe rotating or just off centre? It looks a little weird in the shot we have. And secondly, could you antialias the lines on the flux cannon icon a little? Looks waaaay to sharp atm. If you need me to, I can do it for you, but I'll need a copy of the ani. (not the whole mod, just the ani.)
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Alright. I've just had two offers for help. Here goes;
Killfrenzy. yes, I'd love you to put a nice TVWar texture on the arwing.
Black Wolf. Exactly how do you anti-alias the icon in Paint Shop Pro. Also, yes, the Angel-which is actually the comand briefing icon for the Valkyrie from fs2 resized-is turning.
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I'll see what I can do. :)
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Originally posted by Hades
SO, we have the GTCv Repulse. Anyway, I KNOW the Alpha needs some work. I've already told everyone, that was my FIRST reskin ever. Get over it. Anyway, I cant UV map it or anything, but I'll try to add a new look to it.:D
GTCv Repulse!? We had no Corvettes at this time! it's the T-V War for god's sake no Corvettes!:confused:
and to make it not a Corvette just reasize it please!? it's too big! I was hopeing it would be biger than a Fineris but smaller than a Aoles...:eek: :confused: :mad: I'm all mixt up now someone help me to understand whats happend here!?
Eddit: looks at screenshots agian never mind but tell me this then a corvette is biger than that! so it's a Cruser! damnit! \
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Who said corvettes didn't exist in the T-VWar? We never saw any in the Great War, but that war was only a fe months long. Also, the Repulse is a little bigger than a Fenris. Also, isn't a Fenris either bigger, or the same size as an Aeolus?
Also, we can't "just resize it". It would take a little of our precious resources, which can't be spent on something so trivial at the moment. Although it looks like a boat, the GTCv Repulse is a good sized warship. Go and download the Stripped down version. It has all of the new models ( Except for two I just got a few days ago ) if you want you can resize it.:D
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I scaled the Repulse to the fenris, if you make it smaller it'll look strange.
Fenris: 253m
Repulse: 351m
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Cool ships, can any of them be downloaded? Also can that planet in the background be downloaded because that was really cool.:D
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http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,10649.0.html
Check out that thread for a stripped down release. It has all of the new ships except that large installation. Anyways, that planet is from TBP, so download it off of them, I might have included it, but I think I forgot.:)
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I downloaded the ships and there is all kinds of errors with the ships and their .pof files. Is there going to be a revised version of the download anytime? Also i am not sure, but are these ships and the campaign meant for freespace1?
Do you know when we will be able to download the installation? Also what website is TBP so i can download the planet?
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Okay, here's the deal. If you can't MOD, you really shouldn't download teh stripped down version. It requires some downloads of the fs1port ( As it says in the thread ) and you may have to rename some .pcx files and make som temperary skins. Like I said, it's a stripped down version, so it has been stripped down. It is really buggy. Anyway, a full demo release will be around soon when our hosting gets underway, and I can upload the files. Which are pretty big.
TBP can be downloaded at http://archives.volitionwatch.com/ Then look for TBP downloads.
EDIT: this MOD is for fs2. If it was for fs1, why would I be telling you to download the fs1 port?:D
Also, I'm working on something special to release to the public. Just a small demo thingy. Not big, not fancy, and it requires installation of the fs1port.
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Just to let everyone who seems worried about some of the choices we're making know, we are doing things that seem logical to us. Now lets face it, the amount of information we have about the T-V War is preaty darn close to nothing. There where some minor information mentioned in FS1, and we will stay true to it. But we have 14 years to fill, and very little to fill it. So we go with what feels right. An example is the Repulse, which as Hades called it before, was originally a cruiser. So Why did I change it? Well lets think for a minute. We have a Fenris. Nice little ship. We have an Orion, big a$$ ship. No please tell me, what navy (currently) has a fleet with only two ship classes, of such a vastly different size? As far as I know, none. So it makes sense to fill in the gaps. So we never saw them in FS1, well you can use the story answer and say they weren't involved or had been retired. Or there is the Technical answer, that they could have existed story wise, but the game was limeted and they where left out (which also explains why the Lucifer had beams and a Hades was crashed on Deneb in the FS2 intro). Either works for me. I not saying that you're fears are misguided, hell, you might be right. But I'll ask you this. What Mod is fun and worth doing, if all it gives you is a few old recylced ships. Hades and I want TVWP to be the best we can make it, while making sure it lives up to your expectations. Seeing how :v: left us with so little info on the matter, we're trying hard to make sure its good. So if you really have any concerns, pm Hades or myself, or even better, offer to help us out. Thank you, I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm just letting everyone know what are goals, aims, ideas and motivation are.
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Well said Thor. I couldn't have put it better myself.:)
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Thank you. I was in big speech mode, having come here after the Andromeda Forums. How bloody well depressing over there it is.
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jpg format is A-1 SUPAR!!!
I like the ships yes. I like your idea as well. Hades have you tried to use LithUnwrap? It would make you textures a lot smoother and you could do fighter textures as well.
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Okay, just make something clear. I don't do models. That was a temperary skin until we could get something better.
As for your PM, no you can't do the Unification War. The Unification War is a demo to the Terran-Vasudan War, which we are doing. Eishtmo will be doing some of the T-VWar also.
EDIT: And what do you mean JPG format, they are bitmaps:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Hades
Who said corvettes didn't exist in the T-VWar? We never saw any in the Great War, but that war was only a fe months long. Also, the Repulse is a little bigger than a Fenris. Also, isn't a Fenris either bigger, or the same size as an Aeolus?
Also, we can't "just resize it". It would take a little of our precious resources, which can't be spent on something so trivial at the moment. Although it looks like a boat, the GTCv Repulse is a good sized warship. Go and download the Stripped down version. It has all of the new models ( Except for two I just got a few days ago ) if you want you can resize it.:D
Read the Tech info on the Dimos dumy! It said that the Corvette is a new class of warship! for FS2 Not in FS1 so It should not be a Corvette! :mad: You should make this mod so it fits in well with the two games and for one thing if we did have em back then then howcome they were not in FS1!?:o
You would think that a ship class that vittel would be in the fleet for the game now woulden't you?
and another thing we were still lerning how to studdy our enemys so that would explain whay we only had two ship classes!
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Originally posted by CODEDOG ND
jpg format is A-1 SUPAR!!!
Originally posted by Hades
EDIT: And what do you mean JPG format, they are bitmaps:rolleyes:
I believe the phrase A-1 SUPAR is used as a politely humorous way of saying, "You dolt, you did something wrong. We're not going to explicitly condemn your mistake, but we will point out that you should have done this the right way - because the right way is A-1 SUPAR!!!" In summary, CODEDOG ND would have preferred you to link to screenshots in JPG format.
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Originally posted by StarGunner
Read the Tech info on the Dimos dumy! It said that the Corvette is a new class of warship! for FS2 Not in FS1 so It should not be a Corvette! :mad: You should make this mod so it fits in well with the two games and for one thing if we did have em back then then howcome they were not in FS1!?:o
You would think that a ship class that vittel would be in the fleet for the game now woulden't you?
and another thing we were still lerning how to studdy our enemys so that would explain whay we only had two ship classes!
Except that the deimos entry doesn`t explicitly state that corvettes are a completely new class.
Corvettes could have been phased out and then reintroduced later and still have the deimos entry make sense.
What it does tell us is that by the time the Deimos was introduced the corvette class didn`t exist. That doesn`t mean that they weren`t any that were phased out 40 years previously.
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Originally posted by Hades
Okay, here's the deal. If you can't MOD, you really shouldn't download teh stripped down version. It requires some downloads of the fs1port ( As it says in the thread ) and you may have to rename some .pcx files and make som temperary skins. Like I said, it's a stripped down version, so it has been stripped down. It is really buggy. Anyway, a full demo release will be around soon when our hosting gets underway, and I can upload the files. Which are pretty big.
So you are going to release the ships all fixed up, meaning not in the stripped down version, sometime in the future?
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Itsara, yes, this MOD will be able to be downloaded in the future.
Stargunner, don't call me a dummy if you spell dummy "dumy".
In summary, CODEDOG ND would have preferred you to link to screenshots in JPG format.
Oh well. It was a little easier to just save them as .bmp files. Graphics aren't a problem in this instance, because I didn't lose much quality, but in most cases, I agree. JPG ( Or anything but a Windows format ) is better.
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I've got an idea - howabout making another destroyer class? There's a rather large gap between the Orion (2.1 km) and the next biggest size, the Repulse (350 m). Why not make a smaller destroyer? I suggest the GTD Reliant (~1 km), an impressive vessel in its own right until the Orion comes along and the entire GTA goes
(http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~freespace/ubb/noncgi/jaw.gif)
Awakenings mentions a GTD Reliant class, which was in service for at least the first half of the T-V war. I've made use of some of this information in my campaign; one of my tech room files says that the GTD Reliant class was half the size of an Orion, that the GTD Goliath destroyed in 2323 was a Reliant class destroyer, and that the GTD Orion class didn't show up until 2326.
An interesting series of missions would be to implement the failed Operation Midway (referred to in Awakenings) in 2328 where the GTA attempts to annhilate Vasuda but instead loses its entire invasion fleet in the Antares-Vasuda subspace corridor. Afterwards the GTA is in desperate straits, having lost a huge quantity of fleet assets and three brand new Orions, and has to adopt some cool strategery to avoid utter defeat.
None of this is canon, of course, but I like the continuity of campaigns matching up whenever possible. Take from the suggestions as you will. ;)
EDIT: Battle of Midway should be Operation Midway
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Before I toss in my opinion, I'm in no way responsible for the names of the ships (except the Sagitarius) or any of the models these two are doing for the pre-Great War campaigns and such. There, now that that's out of the way:
JUST CALL IT A FREAKIN BATTLESHIP!
Thank you.
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Okay, here's problem number one with having an battleship. GTBs. Galactic Terran Bull Shit.
Number two, shouldn't battleships be extremely large? Anyway, how about a battlecruiser? GTBc might be good, but I don't know. I think GTCv would be good, as I like the idea of a corvette.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
JUST CALL IT A FREAKIN BATTLESHIP!
But that would make the designation GTBs...
:lol: sorry.
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lol, who cares if it wasn't in fs1! Most of the ships in the galaxy probably weren't show in fs1.
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Thank you codedog.
Yes it is GTBc.
Esh, Why Sagittarius, please explain in more detail your thinking, as IMHO, it is a bad name for a ship class. :confused:
An interesting series of missions would be to implement the failed Battle of Midway (referred to in Awakenings) in 2328 where the GTA attempts to annhilate Vasuda but instead loses its entire invasion fleet in the Antares-Vasuda subspace corridor. Afterwards the GTA is in desperate straits, having lost a huge quantity of fleet assets and three brand new Orions, and has to adopt some cool strategery to avoid utter defeat.
That could be done, easily actually.
The rest of it strays to far from know canon, I think, but it will be placed in consideration. What it could just be is a simple name change to the GTBc Sovereign. If Hades and Esh would just go to the bloody internal forum, they'd see the wonderful guide i whipped up.
The issue on the corvette is that it was already in service when the UW started. So we'll just retire the ship before FS1. The Vasudan won't have a corvette, and neither will the GTVA untill the Deimos. Use logic, Why the heck wouldn't there be a corvette for 300 years? That is the best we can do
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Originally posted by Thor
Why the heck wouldn't there be a corvette for 300 years?
Hmmm....
Cruisers filled their role as escort and patrol craft, destroyers were more like carriers and mobile bases. Corvettes in the T-V War era would be nothing more than large cruisers, except more expensive and slightly better armed. That's why the Leviathan was designed, to have a heavier cruiser class when a Fenris just isn't enough.
Once beam cannons were designed, it became necessary to have a mobile multi-role ship. Cruisers were too small, and destroyers were too expensive and had unnessecary fighterbays. The corvette was designed as a replacement for the role of cruiser in the great war, with new cruiser classes holding light anti-fighter weaponry and acting as support for larger ships.
The bottom line? If it has a fighterbay, call it a destroyer. If it doesn't, call it a cruiser. Intermediate classes like corvettes and frigates should crop up only when there is more varied weaponry, like beams, and corvettes take over the former role of the cruisers and cruisers become anti-fighter platforms.
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Placed in consideration = cool. :yes: :D
(D'oh - Battle of Midway should be Operation Midway...)
I just read Eishtmo's timeline concept and it looks like the events in 2327 could match up pretty well with what Awakenings describes as Operation Midway:
On or about April 16, 2128 [sic - should be 2328], a huge GTA invasion fleet entered the Antares-Vasuda jump node. The fleet, consisting of fourteen GTC Fenris class cruisers, nine GTD Reliant class destroyers, and three GTD Orion class destroyers [two of which were the Iowa and the Moscow], disappeared moments after entering subspace. At the Vasudan end of the node, one ship, the GTC Hornbeck, emerged.
The disappearance of the fleet stuck the GTA in a bind. The loss of the fleet caused our forces to cancel Operation Midway (the invasion of the Vasuda system) and almost caused the Terrans to lose the T-V war.
If we set this as simultaneous with the Battle of Talnia, we have a very nice intersection of four campaigns. :D
Here is the timeline we absolutely know for sure from canon:
Pre-2321: Fenris, Faustus, Elysium, Ra ship classes exist
Pre-2323: Anubis class developed, Ankhs begin to phase out
Pre-2333: Amun class developed
Somewhere in 2321-2322: First run of Leviathan class begun
2321: Terran-Vasudan War starts
2323: Hermes escape pods introduced; GTD Goliath (unknown class destroyer) destroyed at Rexias 4 by kamikaze Anubises; first use of Hermes escape pods
2333: Typhon class destroyer introduced; Vega Engagement leads to destruction of GTD Eisenhower (unknown class destroyer) and much of the 4th Fleet
2335: End of T-V War
And that's it - the rest of the (scant) information is wildly flexible and pretty much acceptable to put at any time during the war.
As far as Reliant vs. Orion classes, look at the Orion and the Typhon. They're about equally matched, yet the Typhon was only brought out in 2333. Even taking into account that Vasudans design and introduce ships slower than Terrans (due to Terrans' intelligence and versatility - c.f. tech database) I can't imagine that the Orion was in service for the entire T-V war...it causes too much imbalance in favor of the GTA.
So this is why a smaller Terran destroyer class makes sense. The smaller destroyer (suppose it's the Reliant) is a logical step in size between the Repulse and Orion classes, and this way we can say that the Orion was developed in the middle of the war (before 2328, according to Awakenings) and the Reliant was phased out by the end of the war. In this case, the GTD Goliath was almost certainly a Reliant (unless there was yet another destroyer class - unlikely), and the GTD Eisenhower was probably an Orion.
Whew. :cool: Creative conjecture is cool. (So is alliteration. :p)
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where is this "awakeinings" ?
:D
Before my time heh .. have to try it someday
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One of the earliest user-made campaigns for FS1. Quite nicely done, too. Looky looky here (http://archives.volitionwatch.com/fs1/missions/campaigns.php3?Cmp=Awakenings).
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Wow, Knight Templar, that was quite an odd experience. I refreshed the thread three times, and each time I did, I found you had edited the post into something different. :lol:
It was before my time, too, but archives are A-1 SUPAR!
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No comment
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:wtf:
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Sorry for the OT-ness. :(
Hades, have a look back at the last post on page 2 (my ramblings on part of the history of the T-V war, which got lost in the shuffle). Thoughts? Critiques?
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Well, I'm not convinced about the Repulse, but we'll let Hades make a call on that.
Ok, I read your ramblings Goober. I like except that we have a history of the Destroyer that works very well, and is very plausible. As for the size difference, the GTBc Sovereign fills up that void nicely. The GTD Reliant is not needed, and the GTD Goliath would be an Orion
here is the history Esh wrote on the Terran/Vasudan Destroyers
A Probable History of the Destroyer
Introduction
They are among the biggest vessels ever designed for a Space Sim, and the most impressive. Rarely less than two kilometers long, they inspire pride, admiration, and fear. We all have our favorite, from the mighty Orion, to the powerful Hatshepsut, to the demonic Lucifer. And still others prefer their own designs, some more powerful or beautiful than even the greatest canon ship. Yet, they present mysteries and force us to ask questions. How are they built? What are their crews like? How many are there? Why are they so big? None of these questions are answered in the canon we have to work with, but there are clues.
And that what this is about. I will attempt, through a combination of canon, my own theories, and a bit of speculation and deduction, to write out the history of the destroyer up through the original Freespace. Beyond that will take more time and effort, but this should suffice. Since much of this is literally made up on the spot, this should not be taken as potential canon, but instead as a way to answer some of those questions. So I will now tell the tale of the destroyer class vessel, and with it, the story of the pre-Great War Freespace universe, for the story of the destroyer is the story of Freespace.
Orion: The First Destroyer
For this I have decided to, for the time being, ignore the Shivans. We know so little about them that it simply isn’t practical. However, we know quite a bit about the Terrans, and can speculate with some accuracy about the Vasudans, especially their interactions. So I will start the story here, and a bunch of speculation.
The first destroyer class vessel was nothing like what we know today. In fact, destroyers probably haven’t been around for nearly as long as we suspect. To begin, though, we must examine the ships that came before, for which the only evidence we have is our own imagination. So allow me some leeway here.
The final war of a series known as the Unification Wars ended in 2316, and with it the GTA as we have come to know it was formed. A united Terran military force to help keep the various alliance members in line and protect all from pirates was formed, and former enemies now became shipmates and wingmen. The transition would not be easy, and until the 14-Year War some five years later would it be complete.
But the fleets now united under GTA command were each enormous. The biggest three fleets, from the old Terran Alliance, Lunar Republic and Jovian Alliance, had nearly a thousand ships each, creating a logistical, and financial nightmare. As the various Admirals of the united fleet met for the first time in one of the new Arcadia stations high above Earth, their most pressing matter was to try to figure out how to manage such an unmanageable fleet. Though many ideas were purposed, and some used, the one we’ll be concerned about is the decision to retire one of the ship classes that all but dominated the fleet: the Leo battleship.
In an age before advanced anti-capital ship bombs had been developed, a whole battleship was needed to fight off their equivalents, and protect the fleet. This was a role that, in 2301, the Leo was designed for. But time had finally come knocking, and the ship was no longer up to standards. Their reactors were old, inefficient, and falling apart. The weapons weren’t on the same technological level as the newer ship in the fleet, the Fenris cruiser. So the decision was handed down to replace the Leo with a more modern battleship.
The project was eventually turned over to the Han-Ronald Corporation, the famed creators of the Fenris cruiser. Within their employ was a genius, Robert Williams. Williams had been the key designer of the Fenris as well as a multitude of impressive transports including the Elysium, a transport that would serve far into the future. He was an expert at making designs that could be easily upgraded with the latest technology. So good was he that the Fenris and the later Leviathan would serve far beyond their predicted lifetimes.
The problem for Williams, of course, was to make a much larger, more powerful warship than a simple cruiser. After careful study of the tactics and theories regarding the use of such ships he decided that replacing the Leo was not the answer. Instead, he decided that both the Leo and its carrier companion, the Sagittarius, could, and should, be replaced by one ship that could do both. The leadership of the GTA liked the idea, and Williams was given the green light to try. The result would change battlefield tactics forever. But first, he had to fail.
It took him nearly five months to design the new class of ship, doing most of the work by himself. His blood, sweat and tears went into the design, and he named it the Orion Destroyer. But this isn’t the destroyer we have all come to know and love. In fact, many that would later study this ship would call it the Pocket Orion, a name that fits it far better than any other I could come up with. The PO (easier to write don’t you think) was little more than a third of the size of our Orion, about 750-800 meters long. Though small, the ship was quite advanced supporting the ability to literally replace every part short of the hull with the most advanced technology, something that would carry over to our Orion. It was designed to combine the capital ship smacking power of the Leo with the swarming fighter capacity of the Sagittarius.
The problem, however, was that it couldn’t do either job very well. Primitive reactors and low fighter compliments didn’t allow it to accomplish missions as well as the pairing of the Sagittarius and Leo through computer simulations. The design was still brilliant, but failed in too many areas. The first destroyer was rejected, not even a prototype was built. And Robert Williams was crushed. Many believed that he was washed up at this point, the spark gone. History would prove them wrong.
He returned to the task he had begun, and tried to fix the problems with the PO. Though its unclear how the final design for the Orion came to him, but according to his own biography, Williams was bored one night and simply ordered the computer to simply upscale the ship. He liked the idea, and called in everyone he knew, because this was a project that would need more than just him to complete it. It took two months, and the Orion as we know it was born of the genius of every Terran ship designer alive.
The Orion we know today faced only one hurdle to approval, cost. The ship was frighteningly expensive, even to the very deep pockets of the GTA. In the short term, it was decided that the Orion would be little more than a figurehead, and aside from a prototype, the GTD Orion, only four would be initially ordered, and due to their size, Han-Roland couldn’t do the job. Instead, the Orions would be built by the newly formed Department of Starship Management (DoSM), an office designed specifically to build the Orion. As the years would go by, every warship would pass through DoSM, including the Hecate and Aeolus. But as a symbol of their pride, the insignia that hangs on the main office door still has a picture of an Orion under construction.
GTD Orion would come off the assembly lines in July of 2319, some six months before the Vasudans were encountered. This triggered a push on construction, completing the second Orion, GTD Gaia, by July of the next year. Gaia and Orion were in functional service just as the 14-Year War began. The Gaia would be the first Orion in combat, defending Earth from a Vasudan raiding party very early in the war. So successful was it, that the Gaia would become the defender of Earth, and the command ship of the 1st Terran Fleet. Following the raid, the remaining four came out of the Io shipyards, with orders for many more to follow. By the 2328, all of the old Leos had been either destroyed or retired, and only a handful of Sagittarius’ remained in limited service. The Orion would serve as the biggest ship in the combined Terran and Vasudan fleets until 2349, when the Hatshepsut (or Hecate, unsure on this issue) was introduced. Even as new technology was developed, the Orion would be updated, replacing reactors, weapons, sensors, fighter bays, nearly everything, and this ability was used to stuff the Bastion and Nereid with meson warheads and seal the nodes to Capella.
A bust of Williams was placed outside the offices of DoSM after his death in 2333. His last design, the Hippocrates, wouldn’t be built until after the Great War. In his honor, one was named after him, but was destroyed in a Hammer of Light raid in 2338. There are no plans to name another one after him.
The Vasudan Destroyers
The raid on Earth in late 2321 changed the Vasudans greatly. After training for years to fight hoards of religious fanatics, they couldn’t get over the accuracy, and power of GTA weapons. But what scared them more than anything was the rumor of a super ship that had dished out most of the damage. The Gaia shook PVN command to core, and they quickly scrambled to meet the new challenge. In less than six months, the Vasudans produced their first destroyer, the PVD Thanatos. Unfortunately for the Vasudans, they had made the same mistake Williams had made nearly four years earlier, the Thanatos was simply to small to be very effective.
Though the Thanatos was an unmediated disaster, it showed the GTA the speed with which this new enemy could adjust their tactics. The Vasudans cranked out nearly fifty Thanatos’ in less than four years, swamping the battlefield with them. Despite their design, however, they were eventually regulated to the classic battleship role, leaving the small and ineffective fighter bays to be turned in to an easily destroyable reactor housing. Eventually, the Thanatos would vanish from the battlefield, the last one going down in some time in 2329.
But those four years of mass-producing Thanatos’ had not been wasted. Careful study of the Orion had revealed the flaws in the design, and a new destroyer, the Savior class, was developed. In 2326, the first Savior’s came off the line. They were one and a half kilometers long, and capable of taking on an Orion at point blank range. But their true weakness was soon exposed. In an attempt to emulate some of the design decisions of the Orion, they placed the Saviors reactor near the outer hull without realizing that it was there to be easily removed in case of failure or need for replacement.. Of course, they weren’t stupid and quickly placed a turret on the spot to protect the reactor. But instead of protecting it, they simply turned it into a target. By the end of the cease-fire of 2328, the GTA began exploiting the poor design decision, and sending Saviors down in droves.
Despite the horrendous losses of Saviors, the Vasudans continued to produce them until 2333, when the first Typhon came off the line. Eventually, the remaining Saviors were either destroyed or recycled, and the Typhon became the frontline destroyer for the Vasudan Empire. The new design made the Terrans laugh, until the Eisenhower and the 4th fleet fell at the hands of a fleet led by one. The reason it finally worked, as opposed to the old Saviors, was that it was based on Vasudan design philosophy instead of Terran. This led to the reactor was buried deep in the hull to protect it. Despite this, GTA planners tried to blast the turrets off of Typhons hoping to hit the reactor, thus the reason why GTA info on the ship indicated that the turret armor was weaker than expected.
The Typhon would serve a long and proud history, but by placing the reactor deep in the hull, the new weapons of the fleet doomed many to death. As time would pass, the new Hatshepsut class leaned even farther toward their own design ideas and away from the Orion. But at the same time, the general destroyer concept changed as well. While the Hatshepsut became more like the battleship of old, the Hecate, then new Terran destroyer, became more like a carrier. Considering this trend, eventually the old division between carrier and battleship will make a comeback, and the reign of the destroyer as queen of the fleet will fade once again into history.
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Couldn't oyu have just linked to that? Ouch.....
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Wow, that's an excellent history. :yes: It'll even work well with what I was thinking for my own back story - all I need to do is change the date the Orion was commissioned. :cool:
I only see two loose ends. First, why would the GTA want to construct five ships as massive as the Orion when the Unification War had ended and there were no enemies in sight? I presumed that only a threat as serious as the Vasudans would lead the GTA to develop the Orion. Thus the Orion being built only after the T-V war had dragged on for at least a year.
Second (and less serious), now we're left with a reference to a ship class (the Reliant) that never existed. But this is easily taken care of if (as you, Thor, said might be possible) the GTBc Sovereign could be renamed.
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Why rename the Soveriegn? I like that name. Maybe we could rename it GTD, as it says that the first destroyers weren't very big. Anyway, I agree, the Orion wasn't constructed until the TVWar had commenced for at least a year, and it was contsructed after the first Leviathan. Also, I would think that the Sol factions would be: Terra, Mars, and Io. Maybe Luna, but I think that the moon would be part of Terra.
Okay, I do like the idea of the Vasudans having some failed attempts at destroyers. This is a problem because nobody wants to make Vasudans.
Also, right now, I am converting Cardinal Spear to fit the MOD. It will not have the planets, because they take up table space, make the download bigger, and don't look that great. I will try to release it, because it won't need that much new stuff. It will feature the new GTF Angel model, and I'll try to find a suitable Gorgan.
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Originally posted by Hades
Who said corvettes didn't exist in the T-VWar? We never saw any in the Great War, but that war was only a fe months long. Also, the Repulse is a little bigger than a Fenris. Also, isn't a Fenris either bigger, or the same size as an Aeolus?
Also, we can't "just resize it". It would take a little of our precious resources, which can't be spent on something so trivial at the moment. Although it looks like a boat, the GTCv Repulse is a good sized warship. Go and download the Stripped down version. It has all of the new models ( Except for two I just got a few days ago ) if you want you can resize it.:D
Give me a starte ancer!:o Thats a duble post! And this mod is sopost to fit with both games right?:confused: I'll say it one last time! The size is right for now but that ship will not and could never have been a Corvette read the Techinfo on the Corvette Dimos!!!! it said that it was a new class and was the "next" wave of warships! so no Corvettes! If you insit on Duble posting I will have no other option but to pull out of this mod and label it as non Cannon in the FS stroy! :ha:
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Originally posted by StarGunner
I will have no other option but to pull out of this mod and label it as non Cannon in the FS stroy! :ha:
It is non cannon so what's your point there?
From FS2 ships table:
Deimos-class corvettes, such as the GTCv Actium and the GTCv Lysander, are the newest addition to the Terran fleet. These sleek, ultra-modern warships are the products of a new era of ship design, maximizing maneuverability and firepower. Their hulls are strengthened with collapsed-core molybdenum sheathing for better protection against beam fire, and their Vasudan-designed reactor core provides more energy per ton than any other allied ship class. As the Leviathan and Fenris cruisers of the Great War are gradually phased out, these corvettes will become the foundation of tomorrow's fleet
I don't see nothing saying the corvette as a class is new, it says the Deimos corvette is a new addition. So other class of corvettes can exist.
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It's a game. As for non-Cannon... This isn't religion. There is no Blashphemy...
'you said the orion came out in xxxx and this developer not buried in X file says xxxx!!! So there!'
Whatever, I'll try it and it if is good or if it sucks won't matter on political 'cannon-ess' or not, but rather the skills of those participating in it! :nod:
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Originally posted by Hades
Why rename the Soveriegn? I like that name.
I like it too; don't misunderstand. But I like continuity as well, and naming it GTD Reliant would fit nicely with another (admittedly non-canon) campaign. Perhaps you could feature a GTD Sovereign of the Reliant class, as a way of keeping the Sovereign name.
Originally posted by Star Dragon
(quote) "you said the orion came out in xxxx and this developer not buried in X file says xxxx!!! So there!
I hope this part wasn't directed at me. I like continuity, and I try to maintain it - but if there's a contradiction, it's not the end of the world. Only FS1, ST, and FS2 are canon, after all. If :v: came out with a FS3 which contradicted most of our user-made campaigns, they'd instantly become campaigns set in alternate universes.
I haven't played Cardinal Spear yet, but I'd want to maintain continuity with that campaign as well. If someone designs FreeSpace campaign that fits with known canon, I assume it takes place in the FreeSpace universe that we know. If I'm doing something of my own, I want to maintain as much continuity as possible among as many campaigns as possible. It's more fun that way, I think.
Originally posted by Star Dragon
Whatever, I'll try it and it if is good or if it sucks won't matter on political 'cannon-ess' or not, but rather the skills of those participating in it! :nod:
Well said. :D
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Well, I think FSURP is canon. Most of the community agress to that. As for corvettes not existing in the T-V War, Woomeister got to it before I did, the tech description for the Deimos.
Nowhere, anywhere, at all, in Descent/Conflict, Freespace: The Great War, Silent Threat, or Freespace2 does it say that corvettes were specific to Freespace2. Just tell me where it says that, and I'll agree with you.
Also, the GTCv Repulse won't have extremely thick armor like teh Deimos. It will have around the same as a Leviathan, but it will be able to take on warships better than fighters. Fighters will be its main weakness. Since there is no flak ( Well, we do have the Havoc, and some other cluster bombs, but not true flak ) the ML-32, and 50 Caliber are the main anti-fighter weapons. The ML-32 fires slightly faster than the ML-16, and the 50 Caliber is a little weaker than the avenger, and uses the avenger sound.
EDIT: Okay, I think I'll use Cardinal Spear as canon for this MOD, I'll have to check out Awakenings. I think I've played it though. Is that the campaign with The Sand of Normandy mission? That mission is one of my all time favorite missions for either fs1 or fs2.
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EDIT: Okay, I think I'll use Cardinal Spear as canon for this MOD, I'll have to check out Awakenings. I think I've played it though. Is that the campaign with The Sand of Normandy mission? That mission is one of my all time favorite missions for either fs1 or fs2.
Yup, that's the one.
P.S. I suppose if you really wanted to keep the class name Sovereign, you could just go with GTD Sovereign and say that Awakenings got the class name wrong. ;)
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As much as me and my team like writing history, I think I'll stay near most of the fs1 TVWar campaigns. I am currently converting Cardinal Spear, and I have changed a bunch of my new weapons to the Cardinal Spear equivilents.
I don't remember much about the Awakenings campaign, but I did like it.
EDIT: For CS, I am using some of the new weapons, and some of the original CS ones. Unless anybody has any objections, the Plasma Cannon is out. It looks to funky firing from a bomber. Mines are still in though. Instead of the HL-14 Laser, I have the Flux. Instead of the Plasma Cannon, I have the Phalanx ( Machine Gun ). I am using the Roc Eye, and the Vulcan.
EDIT2: Vulcan is now a primary.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
First, why would the GTA want to construct five ships as massive as the Orion when the Unification War had ended and there were no enemies in sight? I presumed that only a threat as serious as the Vasudans would lead the GTA to develop the Orion. Thus the Orion being built only after the T-V war had dragged on for at least a year.
As the history said, the GTD Orion was to be a figurehead more than anything else. The GTA fleet was an old, crumbling orginization, yet the threat of war, civil war, wasn't completely gone. (There's something like barely 20 years, less than a generation, between the UW and 14 Year War.) A big ship like the Orion would surly scare the bejesus out of any rebel factions. Five ships were ordered due to the pre-UW backstory I never really finished (one for each of the GTA members, the Terran Alliance, Lunar Republic, Martian Federation, Jovian Alliance and Outer Planets Union (the money wasn't there for the sixth group, the Keplar Confederation, and no one wanted them to have one anyway as they were the most likely to rebel)). The Vasudans were a potential threat, so production was sped up.
As to the name Sagitarius, he was a great archer, a great hunter and teacher in mythology, he's got his own constilation, and he was hung like a horse (half man-half horse). Frankly, its only one of two things I want out of this mess, the other being the reservation of the Battle of Ribos. I don't see why you have such a problem with it Thor. It's not like I want it named after myself or something.
Besides, it shortens well. The Sagi (pronounce up to the "t"). And I like the name, so there.
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Esh, my biggest problem with Sagitarius is that it was used for wings in both FS1 and 2. That's all.
Now I have an even bigger problem. WILL YOU AND HADES PLEASE READ MY BLOODY GUIDE!!!!! It has a lot of useful information.
I take it that the Reliant was from Cardinal Spear. I'm not sure if it specified it or not, by why can't the Reliant be an Orion?
Ok, The GTCv Repulse will remain that. I think its preatty much a done issue.
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The Sagittarius is already a name for a fighter name. I just think we should reserve Sagittarius ( Because he was an archer ) for an artillary ship.
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Possible idea, how about a GTHc? stands for Galactic Terran Heavy Cruiser? Would that please everybody?
GTHc Repulse
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I don't like the idea of using a campaign as "canon" but I'm sure we can incorporate it into the Project just fine. Is the guy who made it still around, or reachable? We should ask him if it's all right to mess with somethings, and see if he wants to help, if he can.
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Originally posted by Thor
I take it that the Reliant was from Cardinal Spear. I'm not sure if it specified it or not, by why can't the Reliant be an Orion?
I haven't played Cardinal Spear yet, but it's on my to-do list. :D So I really don't know about events from that campaign.
The Reliant is a separate class of destroyer from the Orion. It's mentioned, but does not appear in, Awakenings. Here's the entire applicable command brief from Awakenings that mentions Operation Midway, with the Reliant information highlighted:
* Galatea Station
* 02-27-38
* Vasuda System
Origin of Orions
After three days of going over the flight logs of the Iowa and Moscow and reviewing old GTA ship records, we have solved the mystery of the rogue Orions.
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Origin of Orions
On or about April 16, 2128, a huge GTA invasion fleet entered the Antares-Vasuda jump node. The fleet, consisting of fourteen GTC Fenris class cruisers, nine GTD Reliant class destroyers, and three GTD Orion class destroyers, disappeared moments after entering subspace. At the Vasudan end of the node, one ship, the GTC Hornbeck, emerged.
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Origin of Orions (cont)
The disappearance of the fleet stuck the GTA in a bind. The loss of the fleet caused our forces to cancel Operation Midway (the invasion of the Vasuda system) and almost caused the Terrans to lose the T-V war.
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Origin of Orions (cont)
The sudden vanishing of the strike fleet was brilliantly covered up by a series of false reports, each report claiming to have lost a ship in different systems. Vasudan code slicers were led to believe that the entire fleet had been decimated.
The crews of both ships appear to have, according to our experts, "just vanished". The actual explanation of the dissappearance has yet to be determined.
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Our Standing
Not to pass up a great oportunity like this, we've already began refitting and resupplying the Orions.
The GTD Moscow has completed restocking and is heading to Ribos to combat the Shivans there. We are finishing restocking the GTD Iowa as we speak. More about that in your mission briefing.
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Pilot Transfer
All members of Alpha and Beta Wings have been transferred to the GTD Iowa as of 1400 hrs. Your new captain will be Admiral Gloval, previously from the GTC Wolf.
Your final briefing for Galatea Station follows this command briefing.
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New post, because my previous one was a bit long on quotes...
Howabout GTHC rather than GTHc. Each initial letter is capitalized - thus GTSC for Galactic Terran Science Cruiser, but GTCv for Galactic Terran Corvette - the V doesn't stand for a separate word.
Let's not call user-made campaigns canon - they're not, and if someone wants to ignore some part of a user-made campaign, that's entirely their perogative. It's good to have "continuity" among campaigns, but no user-made campaign is "canon".
Awakenings, released November 1998, was headed by Nathan Hoying (email [email protected]), alias Dynamo. Is he the same Dynamo who's registered here under that name?
Cardinal Spear, released July 1999, was headed by Adam Rorabaugh (email [email protected]), alias Ace. There are probably quite a few pilots who go by that callsign.
Thor, can you post a link to the guide you're talking about?
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Edit: Goober, would you like to join the Team? We always need help, and you seem interested.
GTHC works for me. Just so long as we don't have several different cruisers running around. It'll also allow for easy recognition of the model (GTHC is only used for Repulse)
The Reliant and Sagittarius. I have the solution. When the Fleet is upgraded to incorporate Subspace drives, The GTBc Sovereign and GTCa Ark Royal is so greatly upgraded that the upgrades are given new designations, GTBc Reliant (I think a two letter change is acceptable) and GTCa Sagittarius. Now, the Sovereign and Ark Royal are either replaced/upgraded to the new ships, or towed to serve as outposts and and sentries in a single system. Will that suit everyones needs?
Here is the guide. It is not finished, and reflexs none of this decussion, yet. But It is still very informative (I think, and is certainly big enough) It is a word doc, by the way.
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Edit: Goober, would you like to join the Team? We always need help, and you seem interested.
Cool. Sure, that'd be great. :D I'll PM you with my resume ( :lol: ) in a sec.
GTBc Reliant (I think a two letter change is acceptable)
Meh, if you're going to call it Reliant, go all the way and make it GTD. (By the way, to conform with GTHC, GTBc should be GTBC. Just a nitpick. ;)) Perhaps you could justify going GTBC -> GTD by saying that intersystem capability gives it a greater role and thus a more important designation. But your upgrade idea sounds like a terrific compromise. :yes:
Thanks for the guide, btw. :)
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Hades, Thor, don't make me kill you. I want the name Sagittarius for a very old carrier class (developed, built and used pre-UW, and survived to the 14 Year War because they were so well designed). If you don't like it, tough luck. I can rewrite the timeline, I'll let you add quasi-beam weapons when there really shouldn't be any, I'll let you invent ship classes that likely didn't exist for the time period, but I want that name and the Battle of Ribos. Everything else is yours to do with as you please. If you can't let me have this one little thing, I'm gone. You can build the whole damn thing yourself. I just want the ship class and the battle AND THESE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE!
GOT ME!?
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*wonders what the hell Eishtmo has up his sleeve*
[color=002800]*or up his ass*[/color]
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*is impressed by Eishtmo's chutzpah*
*decides to dig in and fight for the GTD Reliant*
And now I'm on the team, so I get an extra vote! :D
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Just wondering, what are you going to do if we don't put in the Sagiattarius?
Also, what has you bent on that name? What's the matter with the name Ark Royal?
EDIT: You can have the battle of Ribos. We are mostly doing the Unification War, the initial attacks on Vasuda, and the Vega Engagement.
EDIT2: Although I don't want you to quit, if you keep demanding things, I can let you go. It's not that hard to write a story for a campaign. Also, we don't have a damn model for another carrier. So, mister know-it-all, what the hell do you expect me to do? Will you be happy with an Ark Royal carrier named the Saggittarius. And tell me, what has you so bent on that name??
How about this, you make it, and I'll put it in the MOD. No, you get me the model, I'll put it in. Try it, getting new models takes a while. not overnight ( Most of the time :D ). Also, we will be using the Leo Battlecruiser, if that makes you feel any better. I decided last night that the Ticonderoga model should be the Leo Battlecruiser.
Anyway, I'm a fan of the idea, but we just don't have a model for it. If we get one that suits you, I'll put it in. Promise:D
We have more capital ships for the Terrans than were present in fs2 ( Counting cruisers, corvettes, and destroyers ). But we have only one new Vasudan ship. The Mauler. It is a reskin of the Athena from Cardinal Spear. Needless to say, the T-V War can't go on without Vasudans.
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Originally posted by Hades
Just wondering, what are you going to do if we don't put in the Sagiattarius?
He said in his post: he'd walk. Not that he wants to, but he might....what has you bent on that name? What's the matter with the name Ark Royal?
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Although I don't want you to quit, if you keep demanding things, I can let you go.
Hades, he isn't asking for much. Just the Battle of Ribos (which you've granted) and a stupid ship name (which, from your post, it looks like you've left the door open for). To throw it back at you, why are you pushing for Ark Royal(e)? Although a class called Sagittarius might sound weird in hindsight to those who have the experience from FS1 and FS2, there's nothing that intrinsically prevents it. The Sagittarius was developed before first contact with the Vasudans, and therefore probably before the name Sagittarius became associated with a wing. So that takes care of the wing problem. The wing was given the same name as the class, not the other way around. Besides, how many Shivan cruisers were named SC Parvati? :)
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We already have a modern carrier. I just need the model for an older one, and I'll do the tables and everything.
EDIT: Okay, before we met the Vasudans, what did we use for wing names?
666 posts!
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Probably Greek letters for friendly ships, and colors for enemies, as in Star Wars. The Tech database said that when the GTA encountered the Vasudans, they gave their wings names according to constellations, which implies that those names hadn't yet been used for wings.
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So, we'll use something like Red wing, and such.
Anyway, in the tech database it says they named the SHIPS after EGYPTION stuff.
Okay, if it is okay with Thor, I can change the carrier from Ark Royal, to Sagittarius. Ark Royal sounds more like a ship name, not a class.
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I'll ask my dad what wings were called when he was in the Navy. He might add some realisism to the mod ;7:yes:
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
Hades, Thor, don't make me kill you. I want the name Sagittarius for a very old carrier class (developed, built and used pre-UW, and survived to the 14 Year War because they were so well designed). If you don't like it, tough luck. I can rewrite the timeline, I'll let you add quasi-beam weapons when there really shouldn't be any, I'll let you invent ship classes that likely didn't exist for the time period, but I want that name and the Battle of Ribos. Everything else is yours to do with as you please. If you can't let me have this one little thing, I'm gone. You can build the whole damn thing yourself. I just want the ship class and the battle AND THESE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE!
GOT ME!?
You're..um...a bit keen on this, aren't you?
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Originally posted by HotSnoJ
I'll ask my dad what wings were called when he was in the Navy. He might add some realisism to the mod ;7:yes:
Same with me. My Uncle was in the airforce. Flew A-10's. I'll ask him also.
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
As to the name Sagitarius, he was a great archer, a great hunter and teacher in mythology, he's got his own constilation, and he was hung like a horse (half man-half horse). Frankly, its only one of two things I want out of this mess, the other being the reservation of the Battle of Ribos. I don't see why you have such a problem with it Thor. It's not like I want it named after myself or something.
Besides, it shortens well. The Sagi (pronounce up to the "t"). And I like the name, so there.
Chiron?
(http://www.pantheon.org/articles/c/chiron.html)
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Okay, that's cool. But I've already changed the name of the carrier. Okay Eish, what do you want it to say in the tech description.
Aldo, that cutter you gave us is now the GTFg Kraken. Armed with quite a few 50 Calibers.:D
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Originally posted by Hades
So, we'll use something like Red wing, and such.
Anyway, in the tech database it says they named the SHIPS after EGYPTION stuff.
Exactly: the SHIPS were named after Egyptian stuff. The WINGS were named after constellations.
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AHH! I vanish for another two days and the whole thing changes once again. Just give Esh, the Sagitarius. Now fill me in on what the heck is going on around here?
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Quick summary:
Ark Royale is now the Sagittarius
Ticonderoga is now the Leo
Sovereign is now the Reliant (it better be :p)
During the Unification War:
Friendly wings are Greek letters (Alpha, Beta...)
Enemy wings are colors (Vermillion, Azure, Chartreuse... :D)
During the T-V War:
Friendly wings are Greek letters (Alpha, Beta...)
Enemy wings are constellations (Aries, Pieces...)
I think that sums most of it up.
EDIT: 100 posts! :D
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Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO? If not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser. Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship. And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use
Class: A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type: what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer
Edit: Yeah sure, Reliant away! I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.
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Originally posted by Thor
Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO? If not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser. Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship. And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use
Class: A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type: what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer
Edit: Yeah sure, Reliant away! I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.
Come to think of it, hasn't Leo been used as a wing name too? :)
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Originally posted by Eishtmo
Hades, Thor, don't make me kill you. I want the name Sagittarius for a very old carrier class (developed, built and used pre-UW, and survived to the 14 Year War because they were so well designed). If you don't like it, tough luck. I can rewrite the timeline, I'll let you add quasi-beam weapons when there really shouldn't be any, I'll let you invent ship classes that likely didn't exist for the time period, but I want that name and the Battle of Ribos. Everything else is yours to do with as you please. If you can't let me have this one little thing, I'm gone. You can build the whole damn thing yourself. I just want the ship class and the battle AND THESE ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE!
GOT ME!?
Owzat?
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagi1.jpg)
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagi4.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagi5.jpg)
http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiWIP.3ds
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Originally posted by Thor
Ok, Does anyone care about the LEO?
Eishtmo does...:nervous: :DIf not, why don't we just leave it the Repulse, but up it to a battle cruiser.
No, no, no...the Repulse is still called the Repulse. The Leo (nee Ticonderoga) is something else - a carrier, I think.
The thing with Leo and Sagittarius is that they are two sister ships. Eishtmo's more concerned about the Sagittarius, but he wants the Leo too. I'm not sure exactly what he's got up his sleeve, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Again, I think Leo is a crummy name for a class of ship.
Well, here we go again. :lol: See my previous justification for the use of Sagittarius. The Sagittarius ship class came before anyone thought of assigning the name Sagittarius to a wing. Same with the Leo.
And before we all get confused, lets set up some names to use
Class: A run of identical ships, ie: Orion Class
Type: what type of ship it is, ie: Orion is a destroyer
Except sometimes people say "class" when they're referring to a cruiser or destroyer too... which further confuses the issue. :p
Edit: Yeah sure, Reliant away! I'm putting the Sovereign name to a better use though.
Cool. Thanks. :D :yes:
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Nice ship, aldo! :yes: That the Sagittarius?
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Nice ship, aldo! :yes: That the Sagittarius?
'twas intended as it, but i'm intending on vastly altering the fine detail of the design now, to try and get a bit more..I dunno..'fluidity' to it. Also a more Orion-ish feel. Think of it as a basic outline of some of the key features (the underslung fighterbay, the engine config)
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Here's an update of what we have.
Ticonderoga model is the Leo battlecruiser.
Cutter model by Aldo has been reskinned with Orion style textures, and is called the GTFg Kraken.
Ryx's caririer is the Sagittarius, although this was before that new model from Aldo. It will now revert to either Pleiades ( I've been spelling that wrong for weeks now ) or Ark Royal.
The new repair installation from Woomeister is the GTI Achilles.
The new gas miner is out at the moment, I need a name, and type for it.
As for the sovereign/reliant, when did this come of age? I never recieved any information about me having a Reliant. Where's the model?:D
Mauler from Cradinal Spear is in now. It's the PVF Amenta. we have enough Vasudan bombers.
That is what we have.
:)
I haven't downloaded that model from aldo yet, is it in .pof? I'm on a 56k right now, so it will take a while.
EDIT: The Leo is a battlecruiser. It is the escort ship of the Sagittarius carrier. That one was going in anyway, and will take part in the Vega Engagement.
EDIT2: The Ticonderoga was never a ship class. It was changed to Repulse before it even was put into the game. But now it is the GTBC Leo. The Pleiades is/was the GTCa Sagittarius.
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Woo and shrike both have battle cruisers coming. We should leave Shrikes as the Damoclease(sp?). Anyway, the gas miner is simply what it was called on Peg's concept page.
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See, you leave for two days and everything is f*cked up. I leave for two hours, and I already got people posting updates about the project that aren't really correct, or well thought out.
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ain't it the truth. to the pm machine and give me some correct updates then"
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Originally posted by Hades
As for the sovereign/reliant, when did this come of age? I never recieved any information about me having a Reliant. Where's the model? :D
You sounded amenable to changing the GTBC Sovereign to the GTD Reliant. I tried to sneak in and "make it official". :D It's the model that someone remarked looked like Snuffleupagus, I think.
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I think this is getting too crazy. I think you're talking about the boat like Ticonderoga/Repulse/Leo/thing:confused:
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That update I gave in this thread is the most accurate, and most current one available. I would know.
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Ok, how about you send me a pic of each ship we have currently, and I'll do some writing. No rush.
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Okay, we have nine new models. Not counting the fs1 ( Apollo, valkyrie, etc.. ). I'll take a pic of each one. I think 5 or so were made for the MOD. I know I picked some off of the internet.
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just put them in the private forum or, even better, e-mail them to me. Make sure you name the Files with the most current name. Don't bother sending the standard FS one (apollo and such), just the new ones. If you can get it to me by tommorow morning (8:00am central(i think it's central)), then I can write them up tommorow at work (I have an easy job:D).
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Okay, here it is. I didn't include a pic of the Earth thing from TBP, because you all know what that is. I have named all of the ships, though the names may be subject to change. As may the textures.
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This is not the private forum. :D
Thor: I think this is getting too crazy. I think you're talking about the boat like Ticonderoga/Repulse/Leo/thing :confused:
Hades: That update I gave in this thread is the most accurate, and most current one available. I would know.
And you would. :doh: Sorry, guys, I had my memory crossed with a different mod. This (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,10714.0.html) is what I was referring to (scroll down to the first Terran ship). Sorry I was confusing everybody all up - totally my fault. Everything makes so much more sense now. :D
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I'll get to work on them then.
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(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiB1.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiB2.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiB3.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiB4.jpg)
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/sagiB5.jpg)
(updated with - probably - final maps. Worked out quite nicely (althougb it took about 3 hours to do today), and the polycount is reasonably low compared to me first try. A few little niggles - mainly the leftside of the docking bay - that i can;t figure out a fix for sofar.
EDIT(2) - need to try and fix little warp in bottommost screen, also maybe tweak a bit on the RHS...some niggles to take care of, still.
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:eek2: :eek2: :eek: :eek: ;7
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NICE. But I hope those white spots will be gone:D
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Thank you Hades, Thor. I'm still trying to figure out why you were so opposed to something so small. I'll write up a Sagi description as soon as I can (work might get in the way.)
I love the look aldo, but there's one problem. It looks too much like an Orion. The Sagi was designed and built long before the Orion was even conceptualized, and is much, much smaller (I think I originally set it between 500 - 800 meters or so). It was also a dedicated carrier, meaning it had a huge fighter bay, which made up the bulk of its look. Well, that was the original idea, which is why I jumped at Rex's design. A large fighterbay right through the middle, perfect for scoop/drop and goes in a time before fighters even had intrasystem drives. Still, a very cool looking ship, it should go very, very far.
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THAT IS ONE KICK-ASS SHIP!
Seriously, keep the Orion style! It doesn't have to be particularly related to the Orion; it's just built in the same way. I'm sure the Hatshepsut wasn't based on the Aten design but it looks similar.
KEEP that ship as it is! Well, actually, you might want to square off the nameplate section... but I love it!
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Okay, Ryx's carrier is now the Sagittarius, is that okay with you Eishtmo? That new ship will be the Orion's predecessor, the Reliant.
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aldo gets my Royal
[glow=blue] [SIZE=8]KICK ASS[/SIZE] [/glow]
nice, man :yes: :yes: :yes:
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Nice! :yes: :yes: :yes:
aldo, are you okay with making that into the Reliant? The GTD Reliant, the Orion's predecessor...about 1 km long. As Hades said, we already have a carrier that works well, but your ship would make an awesome destroyer.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Nice! :yes: :yes: :yes:
aldo, are you okay with making that into the Reliant? The GTD Reliant, the Orion's predecessor...about 1 km long. As Hades said, we already have a carrier that works well, but your ship would make an awesome destroyer.
s'pose
(http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/reciprocity/aldostuff/tech.jpg)
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ooooooo! preatty. What are the do the coloured boxes do though?:eek2: :eek:
And Esh, I just didn't like the name. Just a personal preference. And besides, they used for wing names. but go with it, I tired of arguing about ship names.
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I bet that last pic shows where the hangerbay is and just how big it is. (Though I can't tell if the front end actually has an entrance.)
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If that's a hangar bay, Can we fly into it;7
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Wait - that whole thing isn't a hangar, is it? It looks like just the yellow is the hangar, and the rest are internal systems...
BTW, nice picture. :)
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Originally posted by Thor
If that's a hangar bay, Can we fly into it;7
Yeah it is - has a tube on it, although the textures don;t really vary... but I doubt it'll be big enough for proper use - I'd recommend any missions with fighter launches starting with the fighters ON the flightdeck already, ala the Aquitane in the nebula.
NB..that piccy was just me arsing about in video post. For point of ref, the yellow bit's the hanger sections, the red is the comms / nav / sensors systems, the blue (not really visible in this angle) is the reactor, the bright green is weapons and the darker green is the cargo storage (inc. fighters - hence the connection).. I've been trying to imitate the colossus cutscene for a few jollies :)
And.....the ship is a bit FUBARed. Max corrupted me last save, which isn;t major (because it was a fairly new file), but I need to double check a few of the UV again. And maybe tidy a few bits up, still.
BTW, what's the font used for the nameplates?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
BTW, what's the font used for the nameplates?
Stop. You can get it at the fs1port website.
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Oh boy! Do we get replaceable nameplates, like with the Orion? ;7
(And would you be able to square off the nameplate section, like GE suggested?)
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I sure hope so. But it will make more work. Every Orion in the campaign will have nameplate, and a ships table entry. We have a VERY small table, so this won't be a problem.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Oh boy! Do we get replaceable nameplates, like with the Orion? ;7
If you want to, yeah.
(And would you be able to square off the nameplate section, like GE suggested?)
Depends what you mean by 'squared off'.... the texture is square, but the way the faces are means it can't fit exactly, anyways. I'm trying to tidy it up, regardless.
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Originally posted by aldo_14
If you want to, yeah.
I want to. Real bad. Could you have us able to use the same nameplates as the Orion?
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Originally posted by aldo_14
If you want to, yeah.
Yes, we want to. ;7 Don't worry about the work, Hades - I've done several nameplates already, and I can do it pretty efficiently.
Depends what you mean by 'squared off'.... the texture is square, but the way the faces are means it can't fit exactly, anyways. I'm trying to tidy it up, regardless.
I mean make the whole nameplate section a rectangular box. Right now it's an irregular polygon. Which is nice for some sections, but I think it looks weird for a nameplate.
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how do you create the nameplateable surface?
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You UV map it so that a certain .pcx file fills the area. Then you paint the name of the ship on that .PCX file.
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Originally posted by Goober5000
Yes, we want to. ;7 Don't worry about the work, Hades - I've done several nameplates already, and I can do it pretty efficiently.
I mean make the whole nameplate section a rectangular box. Right now it's an irregular polygon. Which is nice for some sections, but I think it looks weird for a nameplate.
No...it's not really possible to do without wrecking the UV for that whole side of the ship - and that took me ages to line up. I've tweaked that side anyways, and tidied up the x-cords.
I may actually move the nameplate to just above the fighterbay, anyway, to try and even out the textures. At the moment, where the nameplate is means I have to scale the UV and that bit tends to look a bit more stretched and blurry than the rest of the side.
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K, whatever works. :yes: