[Liberator]

Originally posted by Ford Prefect
Oi vey, let's not go there.

Please.

I posted this to start a discussion about religion with none of the insults or implied hostility that comes from a news story about yet another person be sued because they are Chrisitans.

[Ghostavo]

You think that is why hostility starts? oh boy...

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Gank


prove it.

I assume you are referring to the actuality/reality/existance of Jesus' sacrifice when you say "it"?

[Gank]

the donut sandy, the kids got theres, wheres mine?

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Liberator
Still they do not understand...

You are the one who can't understand, apparently.

Threads merged.

[ionia23]

Once there was an ugly barnacle
who was so ugly that everyone died

The End

[Flipside]

Ok...I've often been asked, as someone with a scientific view, what if you are wrong about God...

My own feeling is that Science has learned more from being wrong than it ever did from being right, still means I'm screwed, but hey, it's too late by then anyway

Let me now take my turn to reverse that question, what if there is no God and no Jesus, what do those morality tales tell us now?

[an0n]

That it's bad to be the smartest in the class?

[Thrilla]

Originally posted by Flipside
Ok...I've often been asked, as someone with a scientific view, what if you are wrong about God...

My own feeling is that Science has learned more from being wrong than it ever did from being right, still means I'm screwed, but hey, it's too late by then anyway

Let me now take my turn to reverse that question, what if there is no God and no Jesus, what do those morality tales tell us now?

Then you just lived life as you wished, and that you lived it the way you thought it was right.  If there is no God and no Jesus, then when you die you aren't going to know.  You'll be dead!  

[aldo_14]

What I'd like to ask, is what is more important - believing in God or being a good person?  

If I were to, for example, spend my Sundays volunteering for charity, would I be worse than the person who spends their Sunday morning at church and their Sunday afternoon sitting on their arse?

[Rictor]

Religion is like a tree. Its kind of old, about 10 feet tall and there's a guy way up at the top throwing apples at people.

no, wait, religion is actually like a car. American made, 10 miles per gallon and the mechanic always rips you off when you go in to fix it.

I'm spamming.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Gank
the donut sandy, the kids got theres, wheres mine?

Right... there. *points to heaven*

[an0n]

The most important question is why should we even bother taking sides?

If science is right, we're ****ed and should do as we please. If Christianity is right, I can do as I please and beg forgiveness on my death bed.

So, with science lacking any punishment for non-believal, I think I'll live a life of sin and then beg forgiveness.

[Thrilla]

Originally posted by aldo_14
What I'd like to ask, is what is more important - believing in God or being a good person?  

If I were to, for example, spend my Sundays volunteering for charity, would I be worse than the person who spends their Sunday morning at church and their Sunday afternoon sitting on their arse?

It depends in whose viewpoint?  Mine?  I quite honestly don't care, and normally don't even bother to ask of people's religious preference I personally think that is more of a personal question.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Rictor
Religion is like a tree. Its kind of old, about 10 feet tall and there's a guy way up at the top throwing apples at people.

no, wait, religion is actually like a car. American made, 10 miles per gallon and the mechanic always rips you off when you go in to fix it.

I'm spamming.

no ****, Sherlock?

[Flipside]

Exactly! It's not about God, it's about Good

The whole thing about these morality plays is that it assumes that people are learning a 'lesson from God'. They are not.

You could equally apply the press-up analogy to our treatment of the third world... Regardles of whether we need or want the goods, someone is suffering so that we can have the luxury of choice. Not so easy to make that choice when you are watching them suffer though

So at the end of the day, it depends how you apply the morals with regards to yourself, not who you attribute them to.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by an0n
The most important question is why should we even bother taking sides?

If science is right, we're ****ed and should do as we please. If Christianity is right, I can do as I please and beg forgiveness on my death bed.

So, with science lacking any punishment for non-believal, I think I'll live a life of sin and then beg forgiveness.

Except, an0n, that death bed conversions while they do happen, is more an act of fear than actual acceptance that Christ died so you wouldn't have to be tossed into hell without a second look.

[an0n]

You're assuming there is a Hell.

Jews don't believe in Hell and neither do a multitude of Christian religions.

Plus, the odds of picking the right religion out of the thousands that are out there are far less than the odds of science being right.

So I'll take the 'life of sin' option, if you don't mind.

[WeatherOp]

Ahhh, I'm gonna do a Hippo, *bangs head on keyboard.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Liberator
Except, an0n, that death bed conversions while they do happen, is more an act of fear than actual acceptance that Christ died so you wouldn't have to be tossed into hell without a second look.

Soo, the donut is there, but unless we eat it we're going to hell, or unless we feel sorry for the sap doing the push-ups we're going to hell?

Originally posted by aldo_14
Like, people kept on falling off roofs, so there's a line about building battlements on your house in the Bible.  That sort of thing.

Really?