[chief1983]

He just thought it sounded a bit harsh, and there wasn't a need to go past what he said with it in the first place, he obviously didn't want to think of it that way.  They're more used to thinking of errors as things that affect gameplay.  I'm sorry for offending you.

[Akalabeth Angel]

He just thought it sounded a bit harsh, and there wasn't a need to go past what he said with it in the first place, he obviously didn't want to think of it that way.  They're more used to thinking of errors as things that affect gameplay.  I'm sorry for offending you.

   Nah I'm sorry dude, bit of an overaction on my part.
   Though I think people react a little too much to criticism in general. Though I work in a semi-artistic field (animation) so I'm used to people being harsh with me ("Your animation's garbage, what's he doing, that's crazy!"). But online,  people on a place like devArt give criticism and everyone jumps on them "what, it's great! You suck" sorta thing. A little offtopic but, applies to modding as well since people here can give criticism about models or in this thread about a campaign in general. Actually I just threw up a campaign dump of sorts in the Mission/Campaign forum (plug plug) and if people are harsh with me that's cool, at least someone aside from myself will have played the damn thing.

   Now back to the demo . . . I'll go and get ripped apart in a Falcon defending some crates full of toiletpaper.

[Jeff Vader]

   Now back to the demo . . . I'll go and get ripped apart in a Falcon defending some crates full of toiletpaper.

Hey, toilet paper is a luxury commodity in space!

Yeah. Unless, of course, you want to wipe with missiles or something.

[Akalabeth Angel]

    Hey I finished the campaign/demo. Good stuff. A little on the tough side, though the fact I played on hard might've had something to do with. Though the missions got a lot easier once the Mustangs came online.

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Though for a while there I was stuck on that VIP escort mission. Kept getting ripped apart in my Shriek before the Carrier even arrived. . . then finally, I escorted the transport out and I thought "Yes, finished this bad boy" but then I hadn't read the briefing in a while so soon realised I had to wait for the other one to come back. Then the damn carrier comes back, and more fighters, etcetera. . . thought I was mincemeat for sure but managed to make it through. Helps to have invulnerable wingmen sometimes. In a one-on-one fight most fighters seem to pown me because of their sideslip ability. I can never get on their tail, and they always get a few free shots. Though in a later mission, someone I thought was sure to take me out broke off so I could get on his tail. Dunno why he did that but anyway.

I didn't mind the Falcon either, sometimes when I used afterburner it didnt help worth a damn anyway. The Falcon at least has some meat on it and can take a few licks before it's blown apart.

Think it was the fourth or fifth mission though before I even got a kill (the VIP escort). Sad 

[Jeff Vader]

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[Akalabeth Angel]

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[spoiler]You seem to have an extra s in your spoiler tags.[/spoiler]

  Bugger, that's what I get for typing them.
  Thanks, though most people've probably played the demo long before I did anyway .

[Fergus]

Hey, for some reason the Falcon isn't visible ingame.  Now I can see the blue engines, and I can fly it, but there's no visible body (which makes shooting it or looking at it in the techroom very difficult).  Now I've redownloaded the main and model vp's, but this hasn't had the desired affect.  I'm using the normal 3.6.9 build on a clean install so it should be working and I've tried it with only the -mod command line and none of the other options but to no avail.  Any advice?

Spoiler:

The no targeting and the afterburners are a fantastic way of doing the ye olde look, really enjoying it so far

[Akalabeth Angel]

      I think you need to enable jpeg textures on the launcher.

[Fergus]

Cheers, it worked a treat.

[Jeff Vader]

WTF have you been doing the whole time? You should have jpg/tga textures enabled always. You can't even see asteroids without 'em.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Considering how unplayable those asteroids make any mission they appear in, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. At least on my system.

[Jeff Vader]

Umm... no? If asteroids kill your rig, switch to 3.6.8Zetas. And what about "Rebels & Renegades"? "Paving the Way"? Those can be rather challenging if you have invisible asteroids that don't react to weapons fire but can still impact the hull of the capital ship you're supposed to escort.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Umm... no? If asteroids kill your rig, switch to 3.6.8Zetas. And what about "Rebels & Renegades"? "Paving the Way"? Those can be rather challenging if you have invisible asteroids that don't react to weapons fire but can still impact the hull of the capital ship you're supposed to escort.

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     If I run into a mission with asteroids I exit FS2, turn off the mediaVPs, finish the mission, exit again, and turn them back on. Typically.

[Jeff Vader]

  Suit yourself. I'm circumventing the issue by using the 3.6.8's. It's no biggie. And I'll patiently wait until the final 3.6.10's are released, since rumours have stated that the final versions shall once again have asteroids that don't clog everything below Hactar.

[Woolie Wool]

Or you could download 3.6.8 and unzip the asteroids into 3.6.10.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Or you could download 3.6.8 and unzip the asteroids into 3.6.10.

   Yeah, that's a possibility. I was thinking of trying to delete the asteroids from the VP or something but never bothered to go that far. Too much work. I'll maybe check out 3.6.8 though . . . . not that I have much time to play Freespace right now anyway.

[BS403]

Umm... no? If asteroids kill your rig, switch to 3.6.8Zetas. And what about "Rebels & Renegades"? "Paving the Way"? Those can be rather challenging if you have invisible asteroids that don't react to weapons fire but can still impact the hull of the capital ship you're supposed to escort.

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     If I run into a mission with asteroids I exit FS2, turn off the mediaVPs, finish the mission, exit again, and turn them back on. Typically.

typically I don't even bother with the media vps when i'm playing FS2.  Often times I play FS1 more then I play FS2.

"If its not broken, Don't Fix it."

[SF-Junky]

Sorry, but I absolutely cannot tolerate the primitive sensors. I extracted all the missions and disabled primitive sensors in FRED after playing four times and being completely frustrated.

So did I. I completely agree with you in this one. Even today's aircraft have targeting systems and afterburners. I would have added fuel based ABs to any fighter and bomber craft in this mod.

What I have problems with, is the point in time al this happens. It's 2313 - only 22 years prior to FS1. They just discover the Delta Serpentis Jump Node. During only two decades they travel to about 25-30 star systems and built colonies in - what? - half of them? And besides, of course, they unite five or so fractions to the GTA and fight a 14-year-war against the Vasudans? Not to forget that they colonized the whole Sol system in the same small period of time. Sounds bit implausible to me, to be honest.

Oh, and btw., what exactly did you do to make the engine wash that... strange? It's because I'd like to use the ship model in my upcoming campaign if I am allowed to do so.

[Mustang19]

Engine wash: Go into Ships.tbl, where the engine washes are defined. The engine wash in TVWP has nothing to do with the actual model or individual table entry, so as long as you copy-and-paste only the individual table entry into your mod the engine wash will be "back to normal".

What I have problems with, is the point in time al this happens. It's 2313 - only 22 years prior to FS1. They just discover the Delta Serpentis Jump Node. During only two decades they travel to about 25-30 star systems and built colonies in - what? - half of them? And besides, of course, they unite five or so fractions to the GTA and fight a 14-year-war against the Vasudans? Not to forget that they colonized the whole Sol system in the same small period of time. Sounds bit implausible to me, to be honest.

Almost every campaign I've seen is built on faulty reasoning and plot holes, why not this one too? Personally I hate the idea of a unification war. The FS1 techroom says that the Terrans evolved from nation-states to a global-state to a galactic-state, which implies a more slower and subtle process of political evolution than a quick "unification war" to wrap things up quickly. But I'm just a mission designer.

So did I. I completely agree with you in this one. Even today's aircraft have targeting systems and afterburners. I would have added fuel based ABs to any fighter and bomber craft in this mod.

FreeSpace != reality. In the Plato escort missions you can't target the Shivans even though you can see them with your unaided eye. I can list a thousand reasons why FS makes no sense, and having primitive sensors isn't a big deal in comparison. We knew many people weren't going to like it. We just thought that most people would be willing to adapt.

[GTSVA]

Is this worth d-loading?