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Hosted Projects - Standalone => Fate of the Galaxy => Topic started by: Deathsnake on May 20, 2016, 11:53:53 pm
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Some pics from new Starfighters in the upcoming Rogue One
(http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/9781942556411prev6.jpg)
U-Wing
(http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/9781942556411prev7.jpg)
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It's amazing how Renegade Legion-y that rebel fighter looks like. Star Wars / FASA going full circle, I see.
Also, for God's sake, have they seriously fitted four X-Wing engines to a Y-wing cockpit and called it a concept? "Not Final', I know, but still...
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I love the rebel starfighter design tbh
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These designs gave me heart burn.
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Actually I thought the cockpit was more snowspeeder than y-wing. And aerial assault? Are these both atmospheric craft?
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Yeah the 'grille' and small blasters (?) in the front do look speeder-ish, but that big round bit in the back gives me Y-wing vibes.
@PH: if they were in a contextual vacuum, these are, indeed decent designs. However, they are not (in a contextual vacuum). The TIE design is so established that any new variations on the wing design just for the sake of the 'new' design have begun to annoy me: I liked the TIEs in TFA because they were a reasonable upgrade to the old TIEs, without messing with OMG SPIKY SLANTED AIN'T IT COOL solar panel designs.
As for the rebel starfighter, it is very much a kitbash. If I could not recognise every bit of it (with the exception of those forward-swept wings) from one of the already established SW-verse fightercraft, I would not mind, but just the fact that they took a cockpit from here and a couple of engines from there and bashed them together pisses me off.
Also, what is that huge 'chin' under the cockpit and exactly what function do those long 'wings' serve? If they were, for instance, necessary to house weaponry (which would require specific casing length), that'd be fine; but I can't see why they would create such a massive silhouette when their stubby guns are mounted in front of the cockpit...
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Also, what is that huge 'chin' under the cockpit
(http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1181313/Star_wars_Rogue_One.JPG)
Doesn't look like they are all going to land well though:
(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/crashss.jpg)
As a troop transport I can accept it, as a fighter less so. I quite like the TIE though.
Oh and the "not final" refers to the books these pictures came from. Not the concepts.
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Damnit, I was hoping it wasn't canon.
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The TIE isn't bad, though it does look like a post-Interceptor design variant, or perhaps an atmospheric variant not intended for use in space. The Rebel fighter looks rather silly, almost like an "ugly" kitbash design (it's been clearly established than Rebels are better than that). If they made the kitbashing more obvious it could make a spiffy pirate interceptor, at least.
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I don’t mind the kitbash design. I think canon was already stretching suspension of disbelief a bit too far, what with Rebels being able to secure new and unique starfighter models almost as often as the rich and well-connected Empire.
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Also, what is that huge 'chin' under the cockpit
(http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1181313/Star_wars_Rogue_One.JPG)
Doesn't look like they are all going to land well though:
(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/crashss.jpg)
As a troop transport I can accept it, as a fighter less so. I quite like the TIE though.
Oh and the "not final" refers to the books these pictures came from. Not the concepts.
What the actual f....
You mean to tell me that this thing is a starfighter and dropship?
I call bull****. There's no way it can be a competitive starfighter if it also has to carry a platoon (I see at least 4 people in that screenshot) of troops in combat. Especially against TIEs - those things are known for turning on a dime.
It might possibly be viable if its weaponry is based on long-range Itano-missile-circus levels of proton torp launchers instead of close-range dogfighting, but then it'd be a missile dropship, not a starfighter.
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> expecting star wars military doctrine to be realistic
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Enioch, you and I thought exactly the same, the bow of this thing looks like a spiculum from RL.
Funny.
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Actually, the OT was generally based on realistic WWII military doctrine for the most part. Carriers, landing transports, many ships had real world counterparts that mirrored their function, and thereby inspired their form. So expecting the same from the new universe helmsmen isn't too crazy.
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It would make sense if this fighter was more of a heavy gunship with a (small, sort of like Russian Hind gunships) troop carrying capacity. It certainly doesn't look the part, though it might be because of its design. It seems that it's actually a large spacecraft by SW standards. It doesn't seem to carry missiles (though it might be a bit like TIE Bomber in that regard, with missile bay able to be replaced with a troop bay), but in SW has little in terms of missiles anyway, so these guns might be sufficient for the ships's needs. Remember, Y-Wings were capable of fighting TIE fighters, even if they did suck at it.
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Hey Dragon, how do you tell if a star wars spaceship carries missiles? Also where was it in the films that they said Y-wings are bad at fighting TIE fighters?
I also don't think we can be certain those U-wing things are starfighters, the text is a complete placeholder.
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Well, take a look at Battle of Yavin and count how many Y-Wings survive at the end. IIRC, only one made it out. Sure, they were at a disadvantage, but X-Wings managed a lot better.
As for how can I tell? Well, they either have missile ports or they don't. :) The new one certainly doesn't seem like it does, except maybe in front of the bottom pod (but then, it'd be hard to fit both missiles and troopers).
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0.09 X-wing survival vs. 0.125 Y wing survival. Seems they did about the same really. I think in the films every fighter blows up just as easily as every other.
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not true, the AI was so bad in X-wing that they were ~fine~ at dogfighting TIEs :lol:
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Also, the Y-wings have turrets. You could argue that, even if they wallowed around like pigs, they could still enjoy a hemispherical field of anti-snubfighter cover, beyond their front-mounted guns. Sort of like the P-61 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_P-61_Black_Widow) IRL.
These new 'starfighters' do not appear to have anything of the sort and are bigger (I'd say at least four times bigger, based on the size of that troop hold) and more heavily loaded than Y-wings. So, unless those four X-Wing-like engines output more power than one would expect, these things are going to have real trouble in a dogfight.
You know what would make me withdraw all objections re: functionality of this design (yes, I realise the futility of discussing functionality of a soft sci-fi design)? If that round thing in the back was an omnidirectional proton torpedo launcher.
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Yikes... I'm really not liking these designs. :wtf:
I hope Disney/LFL isn't going to shoehorn new ships/vehicles into the film simply to give the audience something new to see (and toys to buy). They need to put a lot of thought into it so it doesn't end up contrived. There are already a myriad of canonical ships/vehicles that fill pretty much every combat role at this point of the GCW. Anything new needs to make sense (and look good).
Well, take a look at Battle of Yavin and count how many Y-Wings survive at the end. IIRC, only one made it out. Sure, they were at a disadvantage, but X-Wings managed a lot better.
That's not fair or accurate to say. One Y-wing survived out of eight (one of only two that had functional ion cannons; Dutch, Tiree and Pops would've fared much better had they not made a few tactical mistakes) while only two X-wings survived out of twenty-two (one was badly damaged; the X-wing's targeting system was incapable of accurately locking onto the exhaust port).
Y-wings were quite capable at dogfighting TIEs. Even at the end of the GCW.
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I hope Disney/LFL isn't going to shoehorn new ships/vehicles into the film simply to give the audience something new to see (and toys to buy). They need to put a lot of thought into it so it doesn't end up contrived. There are already a myriad of canonical ships/vehicles that fill pretty much every combat role at this point of the GCW. Anything new needs to make sense (and look good).
Disney don't give a **** about the old Extended Universe, and that's by far the best thing they've done with the franchise.
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I hope Disney/LFL isn't going to shoehorn new ships/vehicles into the film simply to give the audience something new to see (and toys to buy). They need to put a lot of thought into it so it doesn't end up contrived. There are already a myriad of canonical ships/vehicles that fill pretty much every combat role at this point of the GCW. Anything new needs to make sense (and look good).
Disney don't give a **** about the old Extended Universe, and that's by far the best thing they've done with the franchise.
I agree, but I wasn't referring to the old EU. My point is, I don't want them repeating the same garbage.
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So wait, they basically inverted the colors of the TIE fighter for the Force Awakens, yet they are going to shoe in 2/3rds of a TIE Phantom for this flick? :P
I actually think it would be fun if they had surplus LAATIs for drop ships, I'm not particularly wowed by the Ugly bucket.
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That Starfighter reminds me a little of Buck Rogers ship! You young uns probably won't remember who he was!
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Erin Gray
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I don’t mind the kitbash design. I think canon was already stretching suspension of disbelief a bit too far, what with Rebels being able to secure new and unique starfighter models almost as often as the rich and well-connected Empire.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original EU explanation was that Incom was originally commissioned to create the X-wing for the Empire, then most of them defected to the Rebels once work was complete, when the Empire started moving to nationalize the corporation.
Nevermind, I just looked it up. Apparently Incom sided with the Rebels shortly before work on the X-wing began, not after.
On the new fighters: I don't mind the design of the new TIE, but the Rebel fighter is just nasty looking.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original EU explanation was that Incom was originally commissioned to create the X-wing for the Empire, then most of them defected to the Rebels once work was complete, when the Empire started moving to nationalize the corporation.
Nevermind, I just looked it up. Apparently Incom sided with the Rebels shortly before work on the X-wing began, not after.
As far as I can tell, your striken-out text is the correct interpretation of events:
The X-wing was originally designed by Incom Corporation for the Empire by Vors Voorhorian. It was directly descended from the old Z-95 Headhunter, built by Incom and Subpro, with lessons learned from the ARC-170 starfighter of the Clone Wars. After the Galactic Empire planned to nationalize the Incom Corporation, the entire engineering team defected to the Rebel Alliance with the prototypes hidden on Fresia.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original EU explanation was that Incom was originally commissioned to create the X-wing for the Empire, then most of them defected to the Rebels once work was complete, when the Empire started moving to nationalize the corporation.
Nevermind, I just looked it up. Apparently Incom sided with the Rebels shortly before work on the X-wing began, not after.
As far as I can tell, your striken-out text is the correct interpretation of events:
The X-wing was originally designed by Incom Corporation for the Empire by Vors Voorhorian. It was directly descended from the old Z-95 Headhunter, built by Incom and Subpro, with lessons learned from the ARC-170 starfighter of the Clone Wars. After the Galactic Empire planned to nationalize the Incom Corporation, the entire engineering team defected to the Rebel Alliance with the prototypes hidden on Fresia.
Whoops, I must have misread it then
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Funnily enough "X-wing X-wing X-wing" is quite often how my brain works..
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It does give credence to the rumours that the whole thing was too serious of a tone.
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My god those ships look terrible. I mean the rebel fighter looks like a rip off of the buck rogers fighter from the '70's show.
https://www.google.com/search?q=buck+rogers+fighter&biw=1536&bih=725&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCgvDd6LfOAhWG5SYKHctJAywQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1.25
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That's not the first time this design appeared in SW, though:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/I-7_Howlrunner
Could very well be a reference (if not outright reintroduction) to the Howlrunner. It was originally an Imperial starfighter, funnily enough.
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Well, that ugly ship is definitely in the new trailer. That said, the new trailer is exciting and I'm definitely looking forward to this movie. And while there is this strange craft addition, most of what they've shown is a great mix of ships from the OT - specifically stuff we see in Episode 4, which makes sense.
Personally, I like the idea of a dark-toned Star Wars movie. I hope the Disney execs don't dumb it down too badly.
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Some nice X-wing action in some of the new ones. And finally, different coloured X-wing squadrons in the films. Plus they seem to have remembered how the wing markings worked originally..
(http://i.imgur.com/xm2EzkU.png)
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Erin Gray
;7
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Very nice. I admit that I'm getting almost giddy with anticipation for this movie. And I'm fully aware what a dangerous thing that is. Dangit.
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It's not JUST the Moon, its the Space Station!
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1611/ISStransit_Smith_3000.jpg)
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Wow, it looks like a squadron of TIE fighters. That's awesome.
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love it!!! :lol:
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It's not JUST the Moon, its the Space Station!
*badum-tss*
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MoreMoreMore spacebattles
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(https://s12.postimg.org/l48idi9n1/ghost.jpg)
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That looks like the Ghost just to the left of bottom-center.
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Woah! New rebel capital ships? And that might be a Braha'tok over in the bottom right on the second pic. Quite possibly the least well known OT movie ship ever!
...I am getting so stupidly excited about this movie.
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I mean, I think it's completely feasible that the rebels had more ships than we saw in the OT. I don't mind the introduction of new ships, I just think we all want to see at least some of the familiar things, and not just as token placesettings.
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Are those full armor Y-Wings or just motion blur?
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I think it's just the blur/poor quality. This is the first trailer where they haven't just been in the background with the focus on the X-wings.. I hope they get something cool to do beyond just blow up!
The U-wing has grown on me a bit I think, seeing it in action with the X-wings, it looks much more part of the universe.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5722/30598224663_77d0441b7a_b.jpg)
Looks like both red and blue flight groups involved.. not quite sure what red are doing mind, I haven't spotted any of them in the trailers. Still, better than force awakens where red squadron had blue markings too.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5578/31290719601_def223b26f_b.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5828/31290723831_b55edf83d3_b.jpg)
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I mean, I think it's completely feasible that the rebels had more ships than we saw in the OT. I don't mind the introduction of new ships, I just think we all want to see at least some of the familiar things, and not just as token placesettings.
Well, we've also got the CR90 Corvette and Nebulon-B Frigate behind very familiar looking X-Wings and Y-Wings. As long as there's a decent mix of familiar and new, I'm sold.
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The ship that Trivial Psychic called a ghost almost looks like a Hammerhead or it's descendant from KotOR or ToR respectively.
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The ship that Trivial Psychic called a ghost almost looks like a Hammerhead or it's descendant from KotOR or ToR respectively.
Just a bit of clarification: Not a ghost, the Ghost, the ship from the Star Wars Rebels (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ghost) cartoon.
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I got that it wasn't meant as a spooky kind of ghost. I said a ghost because I thought it was the name of the class, as in "A ghost class ship." rather than the name of the ship itself. :lol:
But I guess I got the "directions" wrong, because I actually meant the ship directly to the right of the ghost.
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I thought you meant Halo's Ghost.
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The ship that Trivial Psychic called a ghost almost looks like a Hammerhead or it's descendant from KotOR or ToR respectively.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead_corvette
Also from the Rebels cartoon. Neat I guess!
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I was reminded of this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hammerhead-class_cruiser. Though looking at the engines (and the fact that the Hammerhead cruiser would be a centuries old design, even if the games were considered canon) the Hammerhead Corvette is far more likely.
Though it'd be kind of cool if they pulled some KotOR era cap-ship out of some stasis field, time-freeze at the edge of a black hole or just a junk yard and used it's frame and equipped it with whatever hodge-podge of reactors, engines, weapons and stuff they can get their hands on.
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See the link I posted:
Hammerhead corvettes first appeared in "A Princess on Lothal," the tenth episode of the second season of Star Wars Rebels, which also saw the introduction of Princess Leia Organa on the show.[1] The ships are based on the Hammerhead-class cruisers from the now Legends video game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.[9]
I don't think I'd care to watch Rebels, but they are giving some nice nods to some fan favourite non-movie stuff.
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Alright, that movie was fantastic. Not gonna post any spoilers here, but I loved it. There's definitely some opportunities for modelers to show their stuff - I don't think there's any of the new ships that appear in the movie that I wouldn't like to see in game. Looking forward to seeing more details on some of those ships.
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Yay., I'm glad it turned out well, beyond containing great OT era visuals. I'm seeing it on Monday in Imax. Going to have to work hard not to read spoilers over the weekend.
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The anticipation is killing me. I can't wait to see it.
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That was incredible. Pure Star Wars porn.
So can we discuss it in regard to FOTG here, or should we start a separate spoiler thread?
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i would prefer this just be kept to pics of ships as the title indicates, although I am only worried about spoilers until Friday evening
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That was incredible. Pure Star Wars porn.
So can we discuss it in regard to FOTG here, or should we start a separate spoiler thread?
There's already another thread (http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=92902.0) for discussion.
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Can't say I venture into general discussion. Was more interested in discussing it with regards to FOTG. But no worries.
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I think discussing it in relation to FotG is different enough to warrant a separate thread to the one in GD
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Meanwhile, over at XWAU:
http://www.xwaupgrade.com/phpBB3008/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11663#p151237
(I never know how much work it is to convert XWA models)
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I have no idea either :) However, I think due to limitations of XWA (remember their engine wasn't open sourced) their models tend to be lower poly than the ones that can be put into the FSO engine, so not sure if we'd want to use it, even if permission was given.
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however we do often make great looking ships with similarly low poly counts using more advanced textures. I bet their base model would be detailed enough for our needs.
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true, but not everyone is a super-genius-texture-wizard like Brand :)
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Wow. That looks great, and the wireframe really emphasizes how simple a model it is geometrically. That's good news for a FotG mesh, once said more reference materials become available.
EDIT: I think this is the reference image he mentions in that post:
(http://t09.deviantart.net/bINLHkcNQpo0OcGyiXgGuuCvLS0=/fit-in/700x350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre02/57d1/th/pre/i/2016/280/e/6/u_wing_schematics_by_ravendeviant-dak92nh.jpg)