[chief1983]

That's debatable.  Some say in the tip of the wing, some say alongside the engines.

[Colonol Dekker]

My flag is planted at the engine camp.
 

[bobbtmann]

Center of gravity in the engine pod, definitely. Just because the cockpit is the only place that swivels, doesn't mean it's the center of gravity, even though it seemed like it was in the games. We have the technology (I assume) to put the viewpoit somewhere besides the center of gravity.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. If the whole fuselage rotates arount the cockpit, then the centre of mass would be in the cockpit. The eyepoint hasn't got much to do with it where it's rotating.

I've thrown a little simulation of a b-wing. It's not much compared to brand's b-wing, but it illustrates the idea of having the centre of mass in the cockpit and how it affects gameplay. It looks a little bit odd flying around, but not too bad. There's no mission supplied, so you'll have to make your own.

p.s. If I said centre of gravity before, I meant centre of mass. Maybe a pointless distinction, but whatever.

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[brandx0]

I think the point he was trying to make was that physically the B-wing probably shouldn't rotate around the cockpit, as the centre of mass would be in the engines.  Just because the cockpit rotates doesn't mean the whole ship rotates around the cockpit.

[bobbtmann]

Hmmm.  So what I'm picturing here, now, is a b-wing flying in a straight line, with its cockpit spinning. Is this  right?

[MR_T3D]

Hmmm.  So what I'm picturing here, now, is a b-wing flying in a straight line, with its cockpit spinning. Is this  right?

I think we're talking about the ship spinning around the cockpit still....right?

[dragonsniper]

Holy cow Brandx... How many ships do you do a day? I guess that may be besides the point though. Anyhow, that's a nice looking ship you've got there.

[bobbtmann]

I think we're talking about the ship spinning around the cockpit still....right?

Well, I had just looked at wookiepedia, and they don't actually say what's rotating around what. They just mention a rotating cockpit system.

[MR_T3D]

I think we're talking about the ship spinning around the cockpit still....right?

Well, I had just looked at wookiepedia, and they don't actually say what's rotating around what. They just mention a rotating cockpit system.

yeah, i think its interpertation is that it rotates so the pilot is always 'right side up' IN SPACE, so relative to the pilot, the rest of the ship spins around it, but really its just the cockpit if you think about it spinning, but could be other way around while barrel rolling

[Sandwich]

Go Agent 5 of the TSA!

Careful... the forums have been known to be "slippery when wet".

[WOLF_Angel]

Did they ever solve the argument about putting ion cannons in the game or not?  If so how many will the B-Wing have?

And Yes I meant that BSG took ideas from Star Wars.  John Dykstra was one of the concept designers on episode IV.  Lucas had thrown several concepts into the trash can and Dykstra took them back out and used the on BSG.  Lucas sued Dykstra and lost due to the designs having been in the trash.  That you can look up for your self.  And this is why you don't see as much concept art for IV as you do V and VI.

Some examples as as follows:

Cylon Base ship = Death Star
Battlestars = Star Destroyer
Cylon Raider = TIE Fighter
Colonial Viper = Y-Wing (look at it dead on from the back or front.  It is an upside down Y)
Centurions = Stormtroopers
Warrior uniforms = Rebel uniforms.

There were others.  I just don't remember them off the top of my head.

[Thaeris]

Hate to cite 4chan, the greatest hive of scum and villiany on the net, but you should post your source in this instance. Your information does sound quite credible, though. 

[Pred the Penguin]

*snip*

Makes sense...
But the B-wing's engine is not on its cockpit.

[newman]

TBH I'm not sure about the TOS baseship being a rejected concept from the Death Star. I do know for sure that they came up with the ship using a greebled up empty film roll, see here:



Of course, that doesn't preclude the possibility that it's still a lucasfilm early Death Star concept, but I wasn't able to find anything to support this. I've also seen some concept art on the first Death Star, and from what I can tell it was always meant to look like a small moon.. could be mistaken tho. Doesn't mean that the rest of the info isn't true, TOS BSG was the poor man's Star Wars, after all.

[Thaeris]

yeah, i think its interpertation is that it rotates so the pilot is always 'right side up' IN SPACE, so relative to the pilot, the rest of the ship spins around it, but really its just the cockpit if you think about it spinning, but could be other way around while barrel rolling

I think you've hit this on the head for the most part. The whole point of the rotation mechanism was to keep the pilot oriented with the target, despite moving the ship about. There's not too many shots of the B-Wing in the films, namely due to the fact that it was a hard ship to film. But, if there were more shots, you can be sure you'd not see the ship rolling about the cockpit. SW is famous for illogical ship design/handling aspects in many instances, but having the CM inside the canopy would be just... too stupid, even for LucasFilm. Part of the reason dogfights in SW were so fun to watch was there was some form of believeability to them... in some abstract sense, at least. If they could film more of the B-Wing, you better believe they'd not have the CM in the cockpit for this reason at least.

[WOLF_Angel]

My source for this predates WWW.  But I have found a few links here and there.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/John_Dykstra (look under BSG section there).

http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#G6

http://www.adherents.com/people/pl/George_Lucas.html

While I have not been able to find specifics to the lawsuit, they do suggest that Dykstra took concepts for effects from SW to BSG.  I might be wrong about the designs being taken from the trash, as I can find no direct evidence of this.  The logic is sound in the matter as Dykstra was known to piggy back everything he did.  Admittedly I was told this over twenty years ago and it could have been a game of telephone from the original lawsuit.  If you can find specifics on the lawsuit as to what the "similarities" were that Fox was suing over we might be able to get clarification.

[brandx0]

It'd really be nice if this thread got back on topic.

[TopAce]

Post progress.

[brandx0]

It's coming, don't worry.

[WOLF_Angel]

Sorry Brand.

I did ask a question earlier that was on topic.  Did they ever finish the debate about whether or not they were putting ion cannons in the game?  if so how many are going to be on the B-Wing?